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Post by magnaman on Jun 22, 2009 0:28:28 GMT -5
Well, I had sold the Viva 250 a few months ago, so I have been looking for something the wife could drive around with ease. I think I found it! Check out this cool trike! It has already had the upgrade treatment like new coil, CDI, variator, rollers, clutch, etc. I will post more pics after I pick it up tomorrow. Very cool to drive, and yes, it does have reverse. Here is the official link at Sunl... www.sunl.com/SPIDER-150.html |
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Post by Enviromoto on Jun 22, 2009 12:59:34 GMT -5
I have been wondering about these. Check back in once you get some performance numbers.
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Post by magnaman on Jun 22, 2009 16:17:24 GMT -5
What type of info would you like? It has had it's driveline modified by Dr. Pulley so it will not go the original top speed of about 50. Now it does a steady 40 or so. The good thing is that it will maintain that on hills. So there is a trade off with the top speed slower, but it holds that speed nicely. I am looking into my mod options to the engine to get a higher speed out of it.
As a side note, the floor tags that list the info are for a dune buggy type vehicle, so the tire info , etc. is incorrect. When I first saw it I thought it looked alot like the chinese buggies.
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Post by Enviromoto on Jun 22, 2009 17:26:14 GMT -5
Is 40mph with 2 people in it and what size weights did you install?
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Post by magnaman on Jun 22, 2009 20:59:58 GMT -5
Yes, that is with two people that are not light weights. It has 14 gram Dr.Pulley slider roller weights, a Dr.Pulley pulley kit, and an upgraded coil & CDI box. I will be doing some data recording of my rides with my iPhone and a really cool app called Every Trail. It records speed, location, elevation, etc. Shows you your path on a map and will re-run the trail/road just as you did the first time. Take a look at one of my previous runs on my Odyssey - www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=238824 |
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Post by Enviromoto on Jun 22, 2009 22:30:24 GMT -5
What kind of Dr. Pulley kit? Are you talking about the clutch?
I was thinking about getting one of these to take the kid out in when he gets older.
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Post by Enviromoto on Jun 22, 2009 22:33:22 GMT -5
Thats a pretty cool app.
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Post by magnaman on Jun 23, 2009 15:48:03 GMT -5
I can say one thing, we are getting lots of attention with it. My wife drove it to work today and she said people asked her about it at every stoplight & some even came into her office to ask about it! LOL!
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Post by phaze on Jul 13, 2009 6:28:20 GMT -5
i see one her for sale, it got my attention, but i was thinking how cool would that be with a 750 honda power plant in it? looks like i could weld the bike to the back of it and off i go?
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Post by magnaman on Jul 17, 2009 15:01:39 GMT -5
Actually a guy near me bought one recently. He also bought an older Hondamatic bike, which as you may know are automatic. He was planning on transplanting the two together. Apparently, it was to much of a project cause now both the scooter and Hondamatic engine & wiring harness are on Craigs List separately for sale. It would require making a whole new swing arm setup to hold the new engine. I think getting the output of the Honda engine connected to the CVT transmission is going to be the hardest part. It utilizes a jack shaft for the reverse gear with a short-chain final drive.
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Post by phaze on Jul 17, 2009 18:08:33 GMT -5
oh yeah it has reverse, but if i get rid of all scooter parts and just go m/c engine and swingarm and i am good to go. yea i will have to shift but that could be fun.
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Post by Jake aka: Ventoscoot on Jul 19, 2009 2:21:43 GMT -5
I would get rid of the role cage unless it's required by law. We have a CanAm dealre iere in Salt Lake that sells a fair number of their Spyders. They are pricey and 650cc I believe and without the role cage, I think the SunL is better looking by far. spyder.brp.com/en-US/See/Can-Am/Showroom/Index |
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Post by odie2ooo on Jul 19, 2009 2:34:44 GMT -5
Can ams are 1000cc. Actually 990cc. They are pricey but they are very nice from what i've seen. I've never ridden one but a friend of a friend has one and he talked to the guy and he said he would let me ride it. Can ams have all kinds oof built in electronics and safety features. They also have reverse and you can choose from 2 different models. standard or semi automatic.
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Post by phaze on Jul 19, 2009 6:13:50 GMT -5
spyders are for the guys that ride the short bus. i've rode them and it sucked out loud, wind buffeting no performance, and when you turn you know you turn.
good thing canam has loyalist or they wouldn't of sold a single one. these guys are all on sleds in the winter and apparently can't ride then either lol
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Post by odie2ooo on Jul 19, 2009 17:47:19 GMT -5
I happen to like the can am and I don't ride the short bus. I will admit I like 2 wheels better but because of certain circumstances the can am is better suited for me.
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Post by Enviromoto on Jul 22, 2009 10:22:09 GMT -5
I have one of these coming in the shop next week for a exhaust, UNI filter, Jets, and trans tune. Ill let you know how it shakes out.
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Post by Jake aka: Ventoscoot on Jul 23, 2009 0:23:18 GMT -5
Cool we will look forward to it.
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Post by magnaman on Jul 23, 2009 22:28:12 GMT -5
oh yeah it has reverse, but if i get rid of all scooter parts and just go m/c engine and swingarm and i am good to go. yea i will have to shift but that could be fun. If you can fab up the needed parts, I would say, yes, it is very doable. |
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Post by magnaman on Jul 23, 2009 23:06:46 GMT -5
I have one of these coming in the shop next week for a exhaust, UNI filter, Jets, and trans tune. Ill let you know how it shakes out. I would be interested in what your results are. This one has the orange coil, race CDI, Gates belt, Dr.Pulley kit on it, although I am not sure what stage, but it may be the full kit, clutch and all. The clutch, spring, clutch bell, and all pullys have been changed. (See photo) I changed the 14g DR.P sliders with the original 12.8gr rollers. Seems to get a little more speed. I tried 11gm rollers and while the rpm's were lower,unfortunately, so was the speed. I would love to squeeze 5 to 10mph more out of her.  I would get rid of the role cage unless it's required by law. We have a CanAm dealre iere in Salt Lake that sells a fair number of their Spyders. They are pricey and 650cc I believe and without the role cage, I think the SunL is better looking by far. spyder.brp.com/en-US/See/Can-Am/Showroom/IndexWe are contemplating challenging NYS on the helmet thing with this. In that case we would need to retain the safety devices that come with it ie; roll bars, safety harness. The guy I bought this from got it for his wife, but she could not keep up with his HD... go figure. He put a lot of dough into the drivetrain to speed it up, but he was not able to come close to what he was hoping for. He ended up buying the Can-Am Spyder for his wife. I looked at it. It looked pretty sweet. Had car tires on all three corners. I may see if I can fit an auto style skin on the rear of mine when its time. It really needs more traction on slippery surfaces. There is no need for a rounded bike tire as it does not lean at all. PS - I started taking off the insane amount of decals on it. There were no less than 8 of them that said "motorcycle". Some were stickers accented with... you guess it, more stickers!    |
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Post by Enviromoto on Jul 27, 2009 20:28:18 GMT -5
Well got mine done today. Original top speed of 38mph (GPS) with very slow acceleration.
I installed a UNI filter, 115 Main Jet, Performance muffler (stock header), 14.5G rollers, and NGK sparkplug. Tops out at about 44 now with a crusing speed of around 35 or so at 7500 rpm.
From my experience these things are just to damn heavy to go fast and with the chain drive I just couldnt imagine spending a bunch of money making it much better than I did. Also the seats were very narrow making it uncomfortable for a fatty like me.
For the record these are a PAIN IN THE ASS to work on. To big for the lift so everything had to be done on the ground. My back is killin me.
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Post by magnaman on Jul 27, 2009 23:39:04 GMT -5
For us home mechanics, it is super easy to work on as there are NO plastics to deal with. Everything is in the open. I suppose if your spoiled with a lift, it may be an issue.  I can not get this one to go faster than 7200 rpms. It has got to be the CVT set up. I have yet to do any motor mods... I guess that is next. What muffler did you use? |
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Post by Enviromoto on Jul 28, 2009 10:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by magnaman on Jul 28, 2009 13:55:56 GMT -5
The previous owner installed a red spring, which I believe is a 2000rpm spring correct? Maybe that is some of the issue.
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Post by Enviromoto on Jul 28, 2009 21:09:16 GMT -5
Oh man thats way to much spring for this setup. Use your stock one and you'll have much better top end and it wont burn up your belt as fast.
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Post by Enviromoto on Aug 12, 2009 18:00:45 GMT -5
Here are a few pics of the one I did    Still a 40mph slug |
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Post by magnaman on Aug 18, 2009 20:27:32 GMT -5
Did they make a windshield for it?
I switched out the red spring with the original and the 11 gram weights. Has better takeoff, but it still only goes about 40 mph. It really needs a 250cc.
Let me know if they come back asking why the rear parking brake isn't holding. The parking brake seems to make it so it needs constant adjusting. They should of made the whole thing with hydraulic brakes instead of just the fronts.
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Post by nastynatesnuisance on Aug 19, 2009 13:22:01 GMT -5
I have a spider 150 as well. I am pretty surprised with it and recently became a dealer with them. I am running 42 - 45 mph. with mine and can run 8100 r's all being stock. All I did was block off the egr. and stick a pole through the exhaust and removed the baffles, that alone made a big difference. I see if you can come up with a ram air for the intake, you can claim a 10 mph. increase. I know these engines pretty well and they are pretty much bullet proof. You can get a big bore kit 180, and can go about 65 mph. for $399. I heard next year or so they will offer a 250 roketta engine and will do 80 mph. plus.
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Post by nickiemcnichols on Aug 19, 2009 16:09:50 GMT -5
What will they think of next? It's definitely a cuter scooter than that big 900cc Spyder. If I couldn't stay up on two wheels, I'd consider one of these. I think it needs a bigger trunk, though, for better shopping trips...
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Post by Enviromoto on Aug 19, 2009 17:34:23 GMT -5
I have a spider 150 as well. I am pretty surprised with it and recently became a dealer with them. I am running 42 - 45 mph. with mine and can run 8100 r's all being stock. All I did was block off the egr. and stick a pole through the exhaust and removed the baffles, that alone made a big difference. I see if you can come up with a ram air for the intake, you can claim a 10 mph. increase. I know these engines pretty well and they are pretty much bullet proof. You can get a big bore kit 180, and can go about 65 mph. for $399. I heard next year or so they will offer a 250 roketta engine and will do 80 mph. plus. Not so much on the bullet proof there Chester. Running 8100 rpm for a long period of time will roast these motors. I doubt with a 200cc stroker motor these would break 60mph. Honestly I dont think they should. I know the guy that sold this to my customer he sold 3 to a group here in town. The dealer drove one to the shop and flipped the sucker doing 30 mph going around a curve. from what I saw the curve wasent all that bad and he is a good driver. What Im trying to say these things make a Corvair look safe. |
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