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Post by czechmate on Apr 29, 2009 12:47:52 GMT -5
I just wanted to bump up the post so somebody who knows his stuff would read it and give some suggestions. I emailed and called Sunright but I wasn't able to get hold of Jim. I don't know if I should remove handlebars assebly since I don't even know if that's the problem. I'm glad it's raining so I don't have to feel bad that I can't ride.
Nik
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Post by czechmate on May 4, 2009 13:48:27 GMT -5
I just talked to Jim at Sunright and thought that there was a bad ground or shorted wire. I'm going to check a few things and I hope that I'll be able to find it. I was hoping for more specific directions but it seems that it can be pretty much anything. It also suprises me that it looks like a unique problem that doesn't happen very often. I must be special...
I'll keep you posted.
Nik
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Post by allworld on May 4, 2009 14:37:59 GMT -5
Hello Nik: You are special. You may want to check any area that there are wire connections in areas that you worked on. There is a whole cluster of wire connections under the dash. There could be some type of arcing in the starter switch as well. There is a little wire connection at the bottom of the carb. that could have worked loose since you did work in that area.
Good luck and keep us posted.
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Post by czechmate on May 4, 2009 21:36:23 GMT -5
Allworld,
The scooter died before I starting removing the body parts. It was running and then just stopped.
Today I was looking at all the connections, wires, and switches, and I can't see anything. I will have to remove the front panels to see under the dashboard.
I talked to Jim today and told me to check the side stand switch, the handlebars controls, and the ground wire. I checked them all and, again, I didn't see anything out of the ordinary.
Well, I'll keep digging and maybe I'll find it.
Nik
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Post by allworld on May 5, 2009 7:26:02 GMT -5
Hello Nik:
That side kick stand switch is often a problem with my scooter, but and easy fix.
If I leave my scooter parked on the side stand for any length of time, and the just flip it up often my scooter won't start.
I put it up on the center stand and sort of slam the side stand up a few time and that does it.
There is a little compression switch up there that seems to get stuck or, it is of poor quality, maybe both.
The kill switch on the hand control may also be a problem, I don't know how to bypass it though, maybe take it off and see what makes it tic. I have mistakenly hit that switch will riding and it does kill the engine, that much I know.
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Post by torque on May 5, 2009 8:27:49 GMT -5
Here’s an update. My father-in-law and I looked the scooter again and we found really interesting thing. At first I thought I didn’t have the pump working and spark. We tested the spark plug and the pump and neither of them worked. But…and this is the interesting thing. AFTER I released the start button with the key in ON position, I got spark and the fuel started pouring of the fuel line. Weird! We tried repeating that process at least three times with same result. Nothing was happening when I put the key in the ignition and turned it to ON. Then I hit the brake lever and start button and still nothing, only the starter motor was turning the engine. After I released the brake and start button, the pump started pumping fuel and I got spark. I think this is pretty bizarre. I also noticed last year during a time the scooter was running just fine that the pump was ticking after I killed the engine. I never left the key in the ignition long enough to be a problem (flooding). I just don’t think, anymore, that it was normal. I’m assuming that there’s an electrical problem. I hope it’s just a bad switch and not a shorted wire. I will contact Sunright about this problem and I hope they’ll be able to help. Thank you guys for help! This has been very frustrating for me and I’m glad I’m getting somewhere. This last winter was incredibly cold and long with so much snow. I was just ready for some good riding but I got to wait a little bit longer. I hope the scooter will be fixed soon. Thanks, Nik Based upon the symptoms you describe here, I would tend to agree with Jim's (at Sunright) suggestion regarding a bad ground. I'm no motorcycle mechanic, but I've been around electronics long enough to know that an interrupted or high-resistance ground connection can cause any number of wierd, unexplainable effects. The system is going to find a ground somewhere, you just never know where that will be unless all ground connections are intact, with no breaks, corrosion, oxidation, or dirt. You may not be able to see anything disconnected or broken, but if you can determine where the ground connections are, you might try cleaning each of them, or measuring across them with a VOM to see if you've got a good ground. |
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Post by czechmate on May 5, 2009 9:25:03 GMT -5
I think I'm at the point I'll have to take the scooter somewhere where somebody more qualified could look at it. I don't have a volt/ohm meter and I wouldn't know how to work with it anyway.
I'm gonna look at the dashboard and find all the ground connections. Then I'll have to think about the next step.
Nik
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Post by czechmate on May 7, 2009 15:08:47 GMT -5
Okay, this is good...I gave up and took the scooter to a semi local shop. They called me after an hour after I left saying that the scooter is running just fine and asked me if I changed the battery. Then he said that it was an incorrect battery and starting problem was caused by a low voltage. I'm going to make sure that the statement is correct but it would all make sense afterall.
Shoud the battery be 12V 8Amh or 9Amh?
Thanks,
Nik...a happy camper again.
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Post by czechmate on May 7, 2009 16:05:29 GMT -5
So it was confirmed by Jim at Sunright.
"The correct battery for your scooter is a 9 Amp Hour battery. Typically, an 8 Amp Hour battery would work unless the battery was not at full charge.
The ignition system requires 10.5 volts to work properly. If the starter is pulling extra current with the 8 Amp Hour battery it could pull the voltage below 10.5 and the ignition not work properly."
...and that's exactly what happend.
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Post by allworld on May 7, 2009 17:26:08 GMT -5
Hello Nik: That is terrific, now get out there an eat up some pavement.
I looked in my manual and 12v 9AH is the battery listed.
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Post by czechmate on May 7, 2009 20:00:40 GMT -5
Well, I got 12V 8AmH from Scootertronics not knowing that it wasn't the right battery. It was working just fine until the battery got too weak.
Now the guys are looking for a battery that will fit under the seat.
Man, I can't wait to ride it again!
Nik
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Post by allworld on May 7, 2009 20:37:03 GMT -5
Nik:
I know that walmart carries batteries, not sure if they have one that will fit or not. The main thing is you know the problem and it is solved.
Keep us posted.
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Post by czechmate on May 7, 2009 22:15:38 GMT -5
I also noticed that the metal clunk noise during starting was gone and the scooter runs smoother. It might be just all the excitement but it really sounded different. I'll work on it on Sunday.
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