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Post by scosgt on Jan 2, 2009 20:22:04 GMT -5
Benelli M50 2 stroke QMB40
Temp is between 27-37 degrees outside Scoot is stored in attached garage Start it up almost every day Here is the issue:
Starts right up Chike/fast idle works After a short time, idle drops back. I give it some throttle, runs and warms up. All this time, still on the stand After a while, when I give it throttle, it bogs down then stalls. Starts right up. Give it throttle. Dies. Repeats a few times, then starts running OK again! Has Seafoam and some ISO Heet in the gas
I am pretty sure this is a gas problem. Would not start and run if no spark. Would not run high idle if no air. I am thinking maybe forming ice crystals in the filter or lines, blocking up gas flow? The gas filter is the stone type. I did clean it a few hundred miles ago. I also checked for water in the gas when this first started to happen - no water in gas. I noticed that if I remove the gas cap it does seem to get better sooner. Not sure at all what that means.
This scoot has a fuel pump, and it is obviously working at some level. Something happens, then it runs right again. Anyone have any ideas? Obviously something is "cutting in and out", as I can ride 10 miles one day no problem, the next day it stalls under load, then corrects itself and starts running OK again. Any ideas out there?
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 2, 2009 20:36:25 GMT -5
After it does all this and it runs OK, is it fine from then on or does this process repeat? If it's fine after the process you list, it may just take a while to warm up to normal operating temperature when it's that cold out.
If it is ice in the fuel lines, it would have to be from water. Gas shouldn't begin to freeze until around -100 degrees F. If Heet is mixed in, I wouldn't think ice crystals from moisture should be forming in the fuel system.
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Post by scosgt on Jan 3, 2009 20:39:41 GMT -5
I rode a couple of miles today 40 degrees F RAn perfectly, no stalls, no hesitation, WOT perfect. I can not figure this out. I did not warm it up more than 15 seconds today, just jumped on and rode slow for a while. I am starting to suspect that it floods on the stand when warming up. It did do this one time in the past when I had just gotten down the block, it started and stalled a bunch of times, then suddenly came back up and ran fine. I am perplexed.
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Post by scosgt on Jan 4, 2009 16:41:00 GMT -5
I ran ita few miles again today 40F Jumped right on, no warmup, no issues at alll. Starting to suspect a problem with the choke.
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Post by motomech on Jan 4, 2009 18:52:55 GMT -5
"The choke must be broke".
Actually, I think there is probably something floating around in the carb float bowl(water?). I would pull the carb off and clean it. At the very least, drain the float bowl and catch what comes out for inspection.
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Post by scosgt on Jan 4, 2009 19:28:04 GMT -5
I did dump the bowl the first time I had the issue. No water.
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Post by scosgt on Jan 5, 2009 18:17:58 GMT -5
Dumped the bowl again. Absolutely no water, but some very small "sediment" which could have come from my dusty garage the jar is kept in, or from the bowl. Rode around 5 miles, 38f, no problems at all except that after I dumped the bowl and started it up for the first time it stalled on the stand. But that was probably due to not enough gas in the bowl to run at high idle on the choke? Re-started right up, ran gently until warm, then raced around the hood at WOT. Hit 40 MPH a couple of times, no hesitation at all. So on the theory that there might just be some sediment from some prior bad gas, maybe I'll dump the bowl each time before I ride. Obviouosly there is nothing stuck in the jets at this time,as it is running perfectly. I don't have the skills to clean the carb, would need to go to a shop for that. Any other suggestions?
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 5, 2009 19:12:00 GMT -5
Some scoots have a hard time running in cold weather. You mentioned 27-37 degrees earlier when youi were having problems. Now that you are having less problems all your posts say 38-40 degrees. Nt sure that's the cause, but it probably doesn't help. Even if you don't wanna take the whole carburetor off and inspect/clean it, maybe you could pull the enrichener off and make sure nothings gummed up. This may be helpful.
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Post by scosgt on Jan 6, 2009 1:10:45 GMT -5
Thanks I'll try that when the weather get s warm. Meanwhile, if it continues to run, that's a good thing. I am pretty sure the issue is carb related, as spark or air would not be intermittant, especially when on the stand. Other than that little bit of sediment, the gas is perfectly clear, so I don't think there is any real problem with the carb, at least nothing untoward is coming out of the bowl.
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