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Post by star8013 on Jan 3, 2009 16:53:16 GMT -5
I talked to my Hyosung dealer today, he told me that the Hyosung -UM deal will go by by in May when the contract between the two run out. don't know if it true but thats what he said.
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Post by harrywr2 on Jan 3, 2009 17:19:37 GMT -5
I talked to my Hyosung dealer today, he told me that the Hyosung -UM deal will go by by in May when the contract between the two run out. don't know if it true but thats what he said. I wouldn't doubt it. There is going to be some contraction in the number of brands being offered. Daelim already took it's marbles and went home so that leaves Hyosung as the Korean offering. |
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Post by star8013 on Jan 3, 2009 19:49:44 GMT -5
he also said Hyosung was being bought out by a large conglomerat he didn't know the name of it
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Post by ScootGuy on Jan 3, 2009 20:14:43 GMT -5
he also said Hyosung was being bought out by a large conglomerat he didn't know the name of it Maybe he has the inside story... the last buyout in the news is from July 07: www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/July/july9-15/jul1007hyosungtakenover/?&R=EPI-92598Hyosung motorcycles taken over By Rob Hull Consumer news 10 July 2007 09:58 Hyosung motorcycles are set to get an injection of cash after being bought by the S&T Corporation in South Korea. Although the Hyosung motorcycle brand will continue, the manufacturing company producing Hyosung motorcycles have been renamed S&T Motors Co. Ltd. There are currently 14 models in the Hyosung range varying from 125cc scooters up to their Hyosung GT650R, and a 1000cc V-twin machine is due in 2008. |
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Post by harrywr2 on Mar 24, 2009 13:07:07 GMT -5
Was searching for a parts source for the valve shims. I'd rather not go the trouble of measuring the gap...taking off the camshafts..measuring the existing shim size and ordering the required new shim.
In any case...the part #'s for Valve Shims for a 2007 Suzuki RM-Z250 are the same as the Hyosung MS3/United Motors Xpeed.
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Post by harrywr2 on Mar 28, 2009 12:48:55 GMT -5
2,404 miles. Stalled at the stoplight at the end of the I-90 offramp. The truly dreaded shim under bucket valve adjustment time has arrived.
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Post by jim63 on Mar 28, 2009 14:18:23 GMT -5
From your previous posts seems like you going to do the work yourself. Hope it all goes well for you. Would like to relate a story about the initial servicing I had done at a dealer. I wont mention any names but my service was disappointing to say the least. The dealer I went to had a waiting room with a large viewing window that looks directly in the servicing area. I watched in anger as the mechanic half-assed my intial service. When I got my scooter back the counter guy read the list of items supposidly performed, then I answered back how I watched him. Conversation didnt go well after that. The gear oil made it to within 5 feet of the scooter was never changed, the checking of screws consisted of a few screws visable here and there as he drank his coffee. I tried to keep my cool and a civil tone, but despite my best efforts to the contrary the counter guy said I must have not seen it correctly, and that they were a honest and committed business. I paid my $100+ service bill, which was nothing more than a glorified oil change (he actually did do the engine oil) and vowed never to go there again. This is a large dealership, not a small shop.
You maybe better off doing the service yourself, for my scooter I will be doing it myself. I will probably let them do tire changes but that about it. I did the intial service on my wifes scooter myself, took 2 hours but I know the oils were changed, the screws were checked, and the overall scooter was checked thoroughly. My cost was maybe $5 for the oils used. Scooters for the most part are not that hard to work on, considering the alternatives of what I went through. After I rode home I finished the job I paid for myself.
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Post by harrywr2 on Mar 28, 2009 19:16:47 GMT -5
3/4th's the way thru with the valve adjustment. Decided it was probably safer/easier to remove one cam at a time...and pull the offending shims. The bucket over the shims was hard to get a grip on but I didn't want to use pliers and score it. The intake and exhaust valves furthest from the cam chain were in spec. Turns out the shim from the exhaust was the perfect thickness to be used as the new shim for the intake.
While both cam's have alignment marks..the intake cam is the only one that clearly aligns with the cylinder head. The exhaust cam is 16 chain pins from the '3' mark on the intake cam to the '2' mark on the exhaust cam.
While I had the cams off I checked the torque on the cylinder head...managed to get a good half turn until the torque wrench read the specified torque on two of the bolts.
I didn't finish in time to go try and BS the Suzuki dealer into selling me a shim for an RZM-250.
Jim,
yeah...I'm going to do the work myself...the nearest dealer is in Port Angeles...3-4 hours to get there and 3-4 hours home..if the weather was nicer maybe the Mrs's and I would make it a 'weekend away'. My warranty is up in May anyway... There are at least 2 local "Big 4" dealers I wouldn't let work on a tricycle...one of the reasons I went Chinese to begin with. Why pay for dealer support when the dealer is incompetent.
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Post by harrywr2 on Mar 31, 2009 14:10:33 GMT -5
Sent the Mrs's this morning to the local Suzuki dealer to get a valve shim for a 2007 RMZ 250. Which is just one of the models that the Xpeed valve shim part number matches...an AN650 Burgman also uses the same part number.
Apparently they don't stock any valve shims in stock. How they can do a valve adjustment in a timely manner is beyond me, since you have to remove the camshaft and measure the existing shim to determine what new shim you need.
They did however order one...it'll just be 5-7 business days.
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 3, 2009 18:34:43 GMT -5
Shim arrived...got the bike all put back together. In hindsight the whole thing would have been less worrisome if I had marked the cams and chains with a sharpie prior to removing the change. Intake on the left side is now .006 and exhaust .010. The right side is at .005 and .009. Bike started fine...smoke a little...but I suspect a little oil may have dripped on the exhaust. Let it idle for 10 minutes and the temp went only up to the second bar. Took it for a quick little 10 mile spin...no over heating, no check engine light, no performance problems and no stalling...so I'm pretty sure I got the cams alligned correctly. For those that haven't seen shim and bucket. The shim goes on the top of the valve, then the bucket fits over the valve assembley and then the camshaft does it's thing by pressing on the bucket. The picture has a shim, dime(for size) and the bucket.  |
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 4, 2009 15:02:56 GMT -5
Got out onto I-90 today...got her up to 75 MPH on the GPS which is about all traffic and conditions would permit. Plenty of throttle left. Hit the off-ramp and didn't stall at the stop sign. Temp guage held steady at 2 bars. So the valve adjustment would appear to be a success.
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Post by Gary on Apr 4, 2009 15:23:09 GMT -5
Harry -
Interesting post. How long before you figure the next valve adjustemnt will be needed?
Gary
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 4, 2009 18:38:44 GMT -5
Harry - Interesting post. How long before you figure the next valve adjustemnt will be needed? Gary I had inspected valve gap when I first got the bike and the left side was already a bit below spec...the right side hasn't changed in 1,300 miles and is well within spec. So I'm guessing I'll be good to go for at least another 8,000 km. The shims, buckets etc are the same as in the Burgman 650's. It's wasn't hard to do....it's was just the knowledge that if I really messed up the cam chain badly I could have ended up with bent valves and a cracked piston. |
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Post by CCProf on Apr 7, 2009 12:54:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the good info. I got mine about 6 weeks ago. An "old guy" (older than me) had it and was a little scared of it and traded it down to a 170. I noticed mine cuts out occasionally at stop signs. The original owner tricked it out with stripes and custom stars and had an extension put on the windshield. Looks a little strange but it definitely helps.
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 8, 2009 10:41:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the good info. I got mine about 6 weeks ago. An "old guy" (older than me) had it and was a little scared of it and traded it down to a 170. I noticed mine cuts out occasionally at stop signs. The original owner tricked it out with stripes and custom stars and had an extension put on the windshield. Looks a little strange but it definitely helps. Shim part# is 12892-05C00 then add the mm. I.E. A .165 shim would be 12892-05C00-165 |
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Post by CCProf on Apr 8, 2009 12:34:53 GMT -5
Thanks. It only has 475 miles on it so I'm going to ask the dealer to check it when I get it serviced and inspected.
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Post by cstephen on Apr 8, 2009 13:31:31 GMT -5
That seems kind of low miles for a valve adjustment???
I am at 3,400 on the Linhai, no adjustment needed thus far. I know I should probably check it, but the scooter starts, runs, and idles perfectly. I am just scared to mess with a perfectly running scooter. Right now, a Hyosung is my first choice should I ever get rid of the Linhai, and it's a bummer to know it needed an adjustment after only 2K.
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 8, 2009 15:35:16 GMT -5
That seems kind of low miles for a valve adjustment??? I am at 3,400 on the Linhai, no adjustment needed thus far. I know I should probably check it, but the scooter starts, runs, and idles perfectly. I am just scared to mess with a perfectly running scooter. Right now, a Hyosung is my first choice should I ever get rid of the Linhai, and it's a bummer to know it needed an adjustment after only 2K. It's normal to lose a little valve gap as the valves seat during breakin. That's why most manufacturers specify valve adjusmtent at 1,000km. I bought the bike with 1100 miles on it...the valves on the left side were .001" under spec then. I put off the adjustment till 2,400 miles hoping they would move the other way. They didn't. If you get to 1,000 without needing a valve adustment you'll probably get to 5,000. It really depends on how much the valves seated and how much the manufacturers initial setting allowed for the valves to seat. 1980's Honda Civics all required valve adjustments at 500 miles. Plenty of people still driving around in 1980's Honda Civics. |
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Post by CCProf on Apr 8, 2009 15:35:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure that's what it is. It occasionally cuts out at certain (not all) stop signs. I've only put 35 miles on it since I got it. The weather hasn't been the greatest lately. I know that it sat in the dealer's back garage all winter and I'm not sure how good the fuel in the tank was. I managed to get about a quart in it the the other day and will add more when possible. Otherwise, it definitely runs. Where I live, we have some pretty steep hills and it pulled one of the worst from a dead stop to 50+ halfway up (ever so slightly over the speed limit) at about half throttle. If it's warmer (currently 30's w/ snow) in a few days, I want to check/clean the air filter.
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 8, 2009 15:51:26 GMT -5
Bad gas is a definite possibility...91 Octane doesn't store very long before it ends up being 87 Octane.
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 22, 2009 17:42:42 GMT -5
Bike stalled out yesterday. Arrrgghhh.....just did the valves so not that...check engine light isn't on. Idle had been a bit low. Owners manual says not to adjust. Tech manual says not to adjust it. Searched the internet for Hyosung and Stalling. Found one entry for a Hyosung 650 that said check the air filter and fuel filter. Fuel filter/screen is a pain to get to. So decided I'd go with checking the air filter. Took the air filter out...sure enough...filthy. Cleaned it up...re-oiled it. Idle speed came up 150 RPM. Took the bike out to my favorite test area...68 MPH followed by a hard stop...good to go. Go up the side of the mountain 10% grade...got to 62 MPH before I chickened out(Speed limit is 40) and let off the throttle. Engine braked all the way back down the mountain...no stall at the bottom. Got out onto I-90 and cranked it to 75 MPH before hitting the off ramp...didn't stall at the end of the off ramp.  Hopefully I got it this time. Rule #1 of scooters mechanics...its always something simple that you overlooked. |
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Post by CCProf on Apr 23, 2009 6:05:02 GMT -5
Good for you Harry! Have a bone for reminding us of simple solutions. I haven't been out since last week so I'm not 100% certain but I think I have my stall problem corrected - stale gas. Hopefully I'll get out this weekend - supposed to be in the 80's. It snowed yesterday - Happy April.
Question - are you happy with your mirrors? I don't like them so I got a set of handle bar mirrors from JC Whitney. Installing was a pain because of those tapered ends but I got creative and got em on. I think they definitely help.
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Post by Gary on Apr 23, 2009 8:21:12 GMT -5
Harry -
My heart almost stopped when I started reading your post. The dream scoot that I lust after stalled ... oh no!. Well, I'm glad it was an easy fix.
I really, really would like a Hyuosung. Trouble is, I'm also really attached to my yellow scoot. It runs like a top. Maybe not a freeway cruiser, but works great for what I do. I also feel a certain challenge to see just how long it will run ... 25,000 miles, 50,000 miles, who knows. I'm still keeping my eyes open for a Hyuosung though. If I came across a deal like you got, I'd jump at it in a heartbeat. I've seen some '08 models offered for sale at around $2900, which is a steal, but they are in places like Texas and the scoots are not CARB certified. (Even thought about doing something like buying one of those scoots, shipping it here and just swapping registration and plates with one of my other scoots, but my conscience gets in the way). A local dealer has '09s for around $4,600. Maybe if gas prices stay low, these scoots will discounted later in the year.
Anyway, continued good luck with yours. I'm so jealous.
Gary
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 23, 2009 9:09:58 GMT -5
Question - are you happy with your mirrors? I don't like them so I got a set of handle bar mirrors from JC Whitney. Installing was a pain because of those tapered ends but I got creative and got em on. I think they definitely help. I'm pretty happy with my mirrors...fairly wide field of view and they have a swivel head. As with most scooters...taller riders tend to not like the height of the mirrors. It's one those those things the asian manufacturers didn't think about....Americans tend to be taller. |
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Post by anhoa on Apr 23, 2009 9:52:50 GMT -5
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 23, 2009 10:47:53 GMT -5
Yep...I'd check to see what kind of dealer support is in your area. EFI is a bit more complicated then a carb bike. |
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Post by CCProf on Apr 23, 2009 14:58:01 GMT -5
I paid $2850 for mine with 440 miles on it. Only a couple scratches. The pinstripes and the modifications to the windshield the previous owner did may effect the value.
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 24, 2009 17:59:36 GMT -5
After the stalling nonsense I decided it was time to take the bike out and give it a proper thrashing/beating/whose in charge. 85 Miles one way to stevens pass...then 85 miles home. Was a bit chilly when I got there. But no stalling, no hesitating...no whining about "its cold up here" . The bike just did as it was told...GPS says I hit 79.7 somewhere along the way.(wasn't on the way back)  |
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Post by harrywr2 on Apr 28, 2009 15:07:46 GMT -5
Finally decided my plan of action on the front shocks. They seem a bit mushy to me and the previous owner lived on a cobblestone street. I probably should just take them off, inspect them and put new fork oil. I've never played with shocks before however...so I really wouldn't know what I was looking for without something to compare them to...sooner or later shocks need replacing on any bike....so I decided I would just get a new pair...and if it turns out the existing ones just needed fork oil I will have a spare set.. I ordered from www.richardhyosunggvgt.com/ in Korea on Sunday night...by last night they were sitting in US Customs in LA. Inbound Into Customs Inbound International Arrival, April 27, 2009, 7:49 pm, ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS) Foreign International Dispatch, April 27, 2009, 3:45 pm, SEOUL INTERNATIONAL POST OFFICE, KOREA Foreign Acceptance, April 27, 2009, 12:24 pm, KOREA Origin Post is Preparing Shipment Now if I can just figure what the Equivalent Fork Oil weight is for Tellus #22 Hydraulic Oil I'll be in business. I tried finding some Tellus #22 Hydraulic Oil. The local bulldozer repair shop offered to special order me a 5 gallon bucket for just $180. |
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Post by Gary on Apr 28, 2009 21:48:50 GMT -5
This international economy is amazing. Good luck with the bulldozer oil.
Gary
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