For those who would like to know. It's not difficult and takes 5 minutes. What you need: 1.) manual - you can download it here scootercommunity.com.au/files/folders/bolwell_sym_pgo/entry78422.aspx 2.) you'll need a variator tool. You can make your own out of two 4mm thick/ 1/4" x 18mm/ 3/4" wide flat bar. This is what mine looks like. Don't worry about the extra bolt on mine, my bar was pre-drilled which weakened it. I fitted another bit of bar on the long leg to strengthen it.
Long leg 40cm/15", short leg 20cm/7". 8mm hole at ends of long and short leg for 8mm bolt 8mm hole 15cm/6" from end of long leg. 8mm hole 15cm/6" from end of short leg. Using an 8mm X 20mm/ 7/8" bolt and nut mount the short leg to the long leg.
add 8mm X 20mm/ 7/8" bolts and nuts to the ends of the tools legs. These fit into the variator holes. I used a thicker nut on the long leg to get the exposed thread part of the two bolts the same length. This helps the tool to sit flush with the face of the variator. 3.) 3/4 inch/19mm socket, 8mm socket, 10mm socket, extension and handle. 4.) Phillips/star screwdriver. 5.) Torque wrench that goes up to 8.5 to 10.5 kgf-m/ 64 - 76lb-ft.
Now look at the manual page 8-1. This give an indication of what to expect. Now undo the two screw from the lefthand foot-rest.
this helps to get to the bolts in behind. You'll need an 8mm socket now. Just gently pull the the trim panel apart to get the tool in.
Undo all the screws. They are all the same length and black.
Now pull the black CVT cover off. Just pull the trim away like I do. I find if I pull the top of the CVT cover down at the front it helps to clear the body panels.
Now remove the CVT air filter and plastic mesh back. Now may be a good time to clean the sponge filter. I use a vacuum cleaner to get rid of most of the dust before I give it a good wash with dish-washing detergent and luke-warm water. I dry it as good as possible by pressing it between two dry clean rags. Good so far - now on to part two. ;D
Last Edit: Nov 30, 2009 14:52:01 GMT -5 by Kiwiscoot
Now still using the 8mm socket take out all the chrome bolts
remember this one here. Now using the 10mm socket take out the two bolts under the air-cleaner box, where it mounts to the CVT. This is the front one.
Put your fingers into the front holes and back holes of the cranck case cover and pull and jiggle it. First time may be a bit hard as it has two dowels and the gasket that holds it. You may want to give it a few knocks with a wooden/rubber mallet. Once the joint if cracked a millimeter or 2, check that the gasket is loose all around. If it sticks to both parts like mine, it will get ripped. No biggy, nothing a bit of tape doesn't fix. Now you'll notice that the front mounting of the air-cleaner box (as in the photo above) is over the CVT crank case cover. Push the air-cleaner box up when you pull the cover off to clear this mounting.
Now fit your fansy variator tool to look like this. You can turn the variator anti-clockwise easily with your hand to line up the holes with the tool. Never turn the engine clock-wise. Using your 19mm/3/4inch socket and a breaker bar, loosen the variator nut anti-clockwise. Take the nut, washer and front variator face off, push the back variator half in while you do it. .
It should look like this. Keep pushing the back variator half in while taking the belt off.
Now pushing the variator in with your thumb, get a finger in behind the variator to keep the back plate against the variator. Now take the variator and it's bush off the shaft. Why all this about pressure . It's to keep the rollers from falling out. Congrats you've done it - wasn't difficult was it. On to part three -
Last Edit: Nov 30, 2009 14:43:35 GMT -5 by Kiwiscoot
1.) If you take the rollers out of the variator, remember their sides are different. The thick sides goes anti-clockwise in. Look at the manual on the bottom of page 8-7, top rollers have thick sides on the left, left rollers have thick side facing down ,bottom rollers thick side on the right and righ hand rollers have thick sides facing up. Hope this makes sense. If you want to give the variator a service look here: scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=200cc&action=display&thread=16772&page=3 a third down the page. 2.) Lots of people have problems tightening their variators because they get the belt pinched in the variator. The belt then climbs out on the first turn of the engine and every thing is loose with bad results. First tighten the variator nut without the variator tool. Never turn the engine clock-wise. When the nut tightens up to the point where you will turn the engine, turn the variator anti-clockwise with your hand, just turn it until you hit compression and keep the pressure, it will turn and you'll notice the belt will climb out from where it was pinched. Now tighten it again without the tool and at the point where you will turn the engine, turn the variator anti-clockwise by hand again. Do this a few times until your happy that it is not tightening onto the belt, but onto the variator bush. To tighten the variator nut put the tool in like this.
long leg on top off the clutch. Using a torque wrench torque it to 8.5 to 10.5 kgf-m/ 64 - 76lb-ft. 3.)Assemble things in reverse. Remember the shiny bolts is for the shiny cover and the black bolts are for the black cover.
Some more "miles of smiles to you". ;D ;D PS these photos are of my Citycom's CVT that has done almost 13000kms with the factory components.
Last Edit: Nov 30, 2009 14:56:05 GMT -5 by Kiwiscoot
Went on a day trip 200km up the coast to a place called Kaikoura, mix of windy hill roads and flat with lovely rolling bends. Went with a Ninja 900 and Shadow, we had a ball. Speed limit is 100kph and cops have a "motorcycle binge" on that highway right now so we were pretty conservative. Cruised all day at 110 to 120 kph with the odd burst over 140kph. I'm in love. I bought this scooter for commuting but it handles like a dream and with no gear changes is great. I went up and down some fairly tight twisties with only two minor hitches where I overcooked the corner a wee bit (no engine braking so be a bit more careful). Did 90mpg (imperial gallons) which is great and the bum coped well. givi box is great on trips too. The guy on the ninja was following me and was amazed at how well i went "for a scooter", obviously not in his league but no slouch and cornered great.
cp750, great to see you enjoy the scoot and the trip up to Kaikoura is a blast. Yes the Citycom can run with the big boys. I did 630kms in one day a few week ago, including the Kaikoura leg. All about it in reply #190 of this thread. A fantastic ride too is the twin passes reply #187 of this thread. I did that too a few weeks ago and included Punakaiki in the same day. I can truely recommend it, the Citycom loves it. I'm keeping a look out for you in the city, but amazingly we haven't run into each other yet. How many k's on it now?? enjoy and keep the bright side up and the black stuff down.
Last Edit: Dec 5, 2009 4:47:09 GMT -5 by Kiwiscoot
I think I might have spotted cp750 once some weeks back at the junction of Harper and Deans Ave. As I was coming to a stop at the traffic lights I spotted this familiar-looking scoot and thought I'll take a closer look. It was a CityCom 300i. If you remember some weird guy on a little grey Vespa looking at you admirably, cp750, that's probably me ;D
Just to add to the consensus that I find this thread extremely useful for potential Citycom 300/Joymax Evo 300 buyers. Thanks for the detailed photos and write-up! I may someday find myself a Citycom owner as well
For those who did not notice my discussion and results with sliders, here is the link: scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=27109&page=1 At this stage still some more testing needs to be done to see if I got what I wanted to achieve. Time to fit plus a short test run = 0.5 hours. and some more miles of smiles to you... ;D ;D and for those cold-bound ones on this forum, smiles in front of your PC screen
JR - you were spot on brother. 19g was the weight to go for. I did a 180km trip this afternoon in very different scenarios. Motorway and open country riding. In my mind the 19g Dr Pulley sliders do the trick. Revs are down by about 250-500 RPM, a bit hard to judge exactly. I had strong wind for a bit of the way and the scoot did 140kph top speed without me crouching behind the screen. At one point with wind from behind and crouching I saw over 145 kph. Overtaking now is quick as it runs at 7000 rpm at about 125 kph (all speeds are speedo indicated). 112kph/70mph is about 6250 rpm which is exactly where I wanted it. Interesting take-off from stand-still is about 10% faster. It will be interesting to see if my MPG change. I'm a happy scooterista/scootaholic. ;D ;D Happy scooting.
I didn't notice a grey vespa but territory is right. I was alongside a red one 250cc a few weeks back and he pulled alongside at the lights to check what I was riding as he couldn't keep up. Bright red vespa looks the part but the sym has storage, comfort and lots of go. I'm loving it, only 1500km as I mainly ride to work.
Well today was another glorious day, so this scootaholic could not stay out of the saddle. My this bug has bitten me almost 1000kms in the last 3 days. The scoot will roll over 15000kms in less than a 100kms. The Maxxis tyres has lasted well, I guess I'll get another 2000kms out of them, then it will be on with a set of Pirelli ST66's. Still on the factory belt which is still within spec's. Only thing changed in 15000 km's was the air filter, indicator unit under warranty, rollers (not needed) with sliders to lower high speed rev's and oil. For those who did not notice, I would like to mention that "I like this scoot !" ;D ;D Miles of smiles to ya! Oh here is a link to todays blast - not exactly as I practised self restraint ( got to do that sometimes) and kept the rev's below 5500 - 80kph. Enjoy scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rides&thread=28689
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