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Post by argirhs on Oct 25, 2009 7:42:59 GMT -5
hi friends,yesterday was a no ride day so i changed once more the gear oil and opened the air filter,it was the second time i was opening the air filter and to my disapointment i found dust insade the air intake cover and to the tube that brings the air to the engine,i realise that the dust was coming from the edge left and bottom of the plastic cover as you look it,so i put until i find a solution some vaseline on the rubber ring, also the cvt's foam filter was full of dust,and all these in a bike of 800miles,and winter time in greece,joy rides,and stay vertical
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Oct 26, 2009 14:41:50 GMT -5
when you replace the air-filter cover give it a wriggle to get it to seat into the groove with the rubber gasket. Maybe it was not seated properly. Mine has never leaked like that, but it is easy to get it on without it seating properly. I would definitely look at that as it's not good. The cvt air intake it close to the ground and in the dust path of the front wheel. I vacuum and wash the foam filter with dishwashing liquid detergent every 2000 kms. I am always amazed at how dirty it gets. That seems to be just the nature of the beast. Have fun.  |
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Post by argirhs on Oct 26, 2009 15:50:36 GMT -5
what concerns me is that i saw the problem of the rubber gasket at the first time i opened it and i gave extra care when i replaced the cover,i looked 2 times,i will chek again for dust after some rides
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Oct 29, 2009 5:22:31 GMT -5
that sould be thick too so it can retain the "air force", I put the factory screen back tonight . While I was busy I measured the thickness of the two screens. Factory screen is 5mm thick and the Givi is 4mm thick. The factory screen has a thickened round edge for more strength whereas the Givi is just cut off. I think Givi will have to make this screen thicker as it is just to thin for the job. Looks like it distorts with the wind pressure which cause a stress point between the two mounting holes. Not good. |
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Post by argirhs on Oct 29, 2009 12:48:22 GMT -5
kiwiscoot hi friend, its not good because all of the new mechanics that work in such companies do excactly what the computer tells them to ,they have notthing to do with people like porche or benz or toyoda or ford,so becerfull with things like that,that thing could have easily "fell in love with your eyes"and could have tried to give you a hug at 75miles per hour,and of cource if this screen was not so loose ( same happens with "mamy's" screen)to the point that gets inside the plastic cover of the steering(that could be a second and good extra support)anything could be ok,but as it seems the job that sym did there was bad,they needed the less a wider rubber
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Oct 29, 2009 14:32:54 GMT -5
regarding the air-cleaner. I designed ovens and dishwashers and I know what happens with design like this. All designed on CAD down to the last 100th of a mm. So they designed on their CAD a 2-3mm rubber gasket, which should be OK in theory. But plastics twist with the injection moulding process. Now you get the cover going 1-2mm in one direction and the box goinf 1-2mm in the other and the clearances stack up to be 2-4mm. End result is an air leak like you have. Would it help to dig the gasket out and turn it to get it to seat differently. That way maybe a different part of the gasket will seal where the leak was. I have the factory screen on and man does it feel sporty. The Givi screen does spoil the good looks of the scoot and it feels like the scoot does have more go at 80 kph (the highest legal speed I can do on my way to work). Another test for top speed is called for.  |
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Post by argirhs on Oct 29, 2009 18:03:08 GMT -5
i know what you mean friend but the gasket is not O ring,i think its made out the same like the sape of the plastik filter cover,so it will'not stay well in,and of cource the rubber gasket must have perfect thickness all around its "body"so what ever the same if the problem is on the plastik side,the solution is to have a new every time you change the filter,or a thicker gasket,or????i will tell you tomorrow(i have a solution needs some work more)
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Oct 31, 2009 4:13:59 GMT -5
Get a piece of neoprene and cut your own, that will be better. The last thing one wants is dust in your engine. It will spoil SYM's "Engine for life"  Well today was a glorious day. Good weather on both sides of the Southern Alps. I used the day to do the two mountain passes, Arthurs Pass and Lewis Pass and got to the west coast of the island. I even did a 100km trip on the west coast to a place called Punakaiki. Total trip was 584 kms. What a blast!! ;D ;D ;D And having only 4 vents of the radiator open was perfect. The scoot ran like clock-work 110-112kph on the clock. Average fuel consumption was 3.4 l/100kms . I was naughty and saw 150kph on the clock.    ;D ;D Trip went from sea level to 943m above sea-level, down to about 400m and up to 913m above sea level and then down to seal level again(Arthurs Pass). Lewis Pass is probably only about 400-500m above seal level. Just one twisty after another and hardly any cars. Fun Fun Fun!! ;D Heaps of friendly m/c riders too. I'll post pictures soon. Left 10 am this morning and back again at 8:30 pm after filling the scoot with fuel. Now tired, until next time. |
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Oct 31, 2009 5:51:54 GMT -5
Here's a slide show of today's ride. Double click on the picture & Enjoy  |
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Post by argirhs on Oct 31, 2009 13:34:28 GMT -5
nice country,some spots are like north greece,but its hard for me to go for a 600kms trip,you must be in love with bikes to do that,about neoprene yes,but from what i saw this thing has to be locked,i have something in my mind,i will proceed in some time,see you
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Nov 8, 2009 4:46:25 GMT -5
Well yesterday was another beautiful day and I had an excuse to go for a ride. My friend came down on Friday to pick up a brand new BMW R1200GS. Yesterday he had to ride back over the Lewis Pass thru the Southern Alps. I accompanied him on the BB (Black Bullet - Citycom). Did 216km on 7.8 liters of fuel whereas he put in 13liters. We had a howling north-wester wind on the left quater and on some of the steep gradients I had the Citycom WOT at 110kph. On the twisties I left the BMW behind, but he caught up on the straights of course. I left him to continue his merry way and I back tracked thru the mountains again and continued to Kaikoura on the coast thru the Kaikoura mountain range using only 2.9 l/100km with the same wind from behind now. Later on my way home I rode in the company of a BMW 1000+cc sports tourer and going up the mountain I felt I could pass him a few times. The little Citycom has "it" to keep up with the big boys one-up when they keep to the speed limit. Did 630kms in total thru some of the most spectacular back country side. The only limit I found in the twisties is the back suspension on corrugated corners. On smooth surfaces it run true to where one point it. Corrugations in the tar-seal on bends does tend to upset the back, but it is well balanced enough to enable one to drift to the more smooth part of the road surface. Interestingly I found putting my feet back on the bumps of the passenger footrests, upsets the balance of the scoot in the twisties. I think it puts more weight back. Putting my feet as forward as far as they will go on the floor board and leaning closer to the screen seems to get a very good balance. Probably puts more weight on the front wheel, anyway that was for me. May well be different for others. I'll post a slide show some time. enjoy your scooting... |
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Nov 9, 2009 14:52:39 GMT -5
Wel another slideshow of what I found on my ride, enjoy. Click on the picture to play it.  Piano composition & playing by yours truely - Kiwiscoot |
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Post by flyangler on Nov 9, 2009 15:57:48 GMT -5
+1 For the music and slides, wonderful music.
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Post by frost on Nov 9, 2009 16:51:45 GMT -5
Very nice Kiwi, am jealous of how close you are to some great riding routes.
We have hit a premature summer here with over a week of mid 30C temps.
One extreme to another .. LOL
Itching to get to my 5000 km service as I dont think the 2500km was done very well.
Looking to get a bike to bike intercomm if you have any recommendations or links to posts .
When riding with the boss, would be much easier to pass directions and such.
Do like the look of your wheels without the guard etc. I also have to have a topbox that further seems to make it look "chunky" Still , way better that most other scoots.
Take care.
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Nov 9, 2009 19:28:19 GMT -5
Well quick make the most of that weather. helps for the withdrawal symptoms. I bought a set of personal radios and cheap headsets. Did not work that well with the PTT button permanently pushed down and VOX activated. The wind tended to activate the VOX. I need to modify the headsets and put a PTT button on the left-hand handlebar to be pushed manually. So at this stage I can't give any advice. |
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Post by ootscoot on Nov 9, 2009 19:55:57 GMT -5
Interesting to note the balance on this bike - I had put on the "commuter package" that Carter Bros. offered with the Citycom - nice, extremely clear and durable windscreen, large Givi box and a rack to attatch it to...I didn't like the look of the rear rack and box - it blocked the nice brake lights and looked "clunky". so removed it and now I noticed the bike handles so much better! - it seems the larger windscreen was sending the airflow over my head and right into the box...much smoother now, and not much turbulence hitting my back...
So as Kiwiscoot says "what a blast"...loving the ride!
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Nov 9, 2009 20:37:56 GMT -5
ootscoot - it may be the lever effect of the weight hanging over the back too. I was amazed at how much difference just my feet made and at how well the scoot handles the twisties. I've even had it so far over that the heat shield on the exhaust touched the road - was a bit of a wake-up call tho to take things a bit slower. Was just one of those times after a long ride in warm weather, warm sticky tires and "the rider and machine as one". This scoot does not stop to amaze me with it's capabilities. It sure can run with the big boys at 70mph/110kph, that is one-up. |
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Post by dkenney on Nov 14, 2009 23:21:11 GMT -5
Has anyone tried to replace the standard 300i windscreen. I have tried to get the front screen garnish off to no avail. I have removed the two screws that appear to hold the garnish in place, but I still can not get it off. There garnish has two clips on each side that are bent in toward the center. There seems to be no way to pry it loose.
Has anyone run into this problem and solved it.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Dave
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Nov 15, 2009 19:39:50 GMT -5
Has anyone tried to replace the standard 300i windscreen. I have tried to get the front screen garnish off to no avail. I have removed the two screws that appear to hold the garnish in place, but I still can not get it off. There garnish has two clips on each side that are bent in toward the center. There seems to be no way to pry it loose. Has anyone run into this problem and solved it. Thanks in advance for your help. Dave I assume you're talking of the black plastic panel under the windscreen with the rubber strip on top. If it is this is... I guess you mean the two screws that are under the handle bars.  Accessed through these holes. Once they are removed, stand in front of the scoot, place your hands on the rubberstrip on top of the panel and push down firmly towards the front wheel. The panel moves about 10mm /0.5" down and then you pull the bottom of the panel out towards the front of the scoot. To put it back, spray it liberally with silicon spray and it slides back easily. Look on Page 2 of this review where I describe changing the screen to a Givi screen. Hope this helps. have fun. PS don't go for a Givi screen, mine split as it is to weak for the job. |
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Nov 23, 2009 14:57:03 GMT -5
A few Citycom owners including me have found the head light relay to drop out during start-up when the head light is on. There is no ON-OFF switch on some models for certain markets (USA, etc.). The models we get here in New Zealand has the ON-OFF switch. I make sure I switch the lights off before I start the scoot. At times when I forgot I found just flashing the lights (pushing the switch to the "Passing" position) gets the lights to come on again.
I see from the factory service manual that the head lights are controlled from a "Control unit" and not just a relay. I can just assume from the symptoms that they pull in the headlight relay with a high current (relay latching current) and then run it with a lower current (relay holding current). Now when the scoot starts up with the headlights on, the current drain is so high that the battery voltage falls for a moment. This causes the holding current to drop below the thresh-hold and the lighting relay drops out and the lights go off. The control unit has no way to know this. That is why flashing the lights power both relays for as long as the switch is held, causing the dropped relay to activate again. This is just the nature of the beast. SYM probably does this to utilize the alternator energy better.
Bottom line is - if you started your scoot with the headlights on, then just flash the headlights and you'll be sweet!! ;D
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Post by frost on Nov 26, 2009 1:55:59 GMT -5
Hi Kiwi, thanks for that info . That was really bugging me and seems to happen to my scoot regularly.
Hey , can I ask if your front wheel spins freely ? Mine seems to bind on the break pads I rekon. Had pads done in approx 3000km which I think is also a bit quick even for city riding. Thanks for any info you can offer.
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Nov 26, 2009 4:19:04 GMT -5
I would suggest you take a real close look at the front brake. Mine did the same when I replaced the pads and it turned out that a anti-judder plate was in the wrong position. This cause the brake to bind up. You can read up about it here. scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=200cc&thread=25080&page=1 . Just go to the bottom of the thread to get to the what happened and the fix if you don't feel like going thru the whole saga. it is also on page 3 of my review thread. Hope this helps. Good luck. |
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Post by cbrking on Nov 28, 2009 6:23:17 GMT -5
hi Attachments:
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Post by cbrking on Nov 28, 2009 9:31:11 GMT -5
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Post by cbrking on Nov 28, 2009 9:33:50 GMT -5
kappa Attachments:
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Nov 29, 2009 3:01:29 GMT -5
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Nov 29, 2009 3:04:59 GMT -5
this looks like a hot spot, caused after a hard stop, with the brake disk and pads hot and stopped with the brake applied. The heat from the pad and disk has no where to dissapate to and the disk gets cooked. Always after a hard stop release the brakes ( especially the front brake as it does 70% of the stopping) to give the heat time to dissapate. |
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Nov 29, 2009 3:05:56 GMT -5
nice top box, who is the manufaturer?? enjoy your ride - SYM = Smile Your Miles |
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Post by cbrking on Nov 29, 2009 5:11:58 GMT -5
kappa=givi same product company picture is long shield. winter good. Attachments:
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Post by cbrking on Nov 29, 2009 5:17:39 GMT -5
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;D ;D Trip went from sea level to 943m above sea-level, down to about 400m and up to 913m above sea level and then down to seal level again(Arthurs Pass). Lewis Pass is probably only about 400-500m above seal level. Just one twisty after another and hardly any cars. Fun Fun Fun!! ;D Heaps of friendly m/c riders too. I'll post pictures soon. Left 10 am this morning and back again at 8:30 pm after filling the scoot with fuel.
