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Post by docxen on Dec 22, 2012 10:43:10 GMT -5
Has anyone else had problems with puma cycles? The scooter i got had a few problems which granted the warranty (6 months) covered but trying to figure out why it's not getting better speed (i am rather heavy but the website stated the bike was within my weight limit) i discovered on the ownership papers that the website or the ownership papers were wrong about the weight limit. I emailed them but have received no answer.
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Post by snugglebunny on Dec 22, 2012 10:47:38 GMT -5
well since this is the 2ND thread you have started for the same thing
maybe if you start 3-4-5 more threads maybe you can find the answer you are looking for.
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Post by carasdad on Dec 22, 2012 11:05:44 GMT -5
Has anyone else had problems with puma cycles? The scooter i got had a few problems which granted the warranty (6 months) covered but trying to figure out why it's not getting better speed (i am rather heavy but the website stated the bike was within my weight limit) i discovered on the ownership papers that the website or the ownership papers were wrong about the weight limit. I emailed them but have received no answer. Slow down...1 thread at a time...this is getting confusing.. Ok Puma makes a great scoot..there are dealers that are members of this site...so if you can wait a bit..and keep posting the same thing...one of them should be able to help you. Never owned one but have worked on many in the shop..yet to see one that was junk. In fact they ride so smooth I call them Cadiilacs.. I will say they are not the fastest scoots as we have tried every option to derestrict them..CVT..CDI...CVT weights...performance pipes...checking for exhaust restriction..intake restriction..ring inside the CVT etc. Only thing we got to work was a big bore kit and CVT tune...got them to 40mph via GPS. The weight you were given was wrong...they weigh about the same as any other scoot. So the weight is not what is killing your speed..it is just they way they are. So hang in there..we have dealers for them as members here as i said before..they will be along soon I am sure. If I could remember who they are...I would tell ya...maybe another member here has that info..
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Post by inuyasha on Dec 22, 2012 12:41:54 GMT -5
Hi My Puma Angel was a top notch very fast scoot when researching them before my purchase my Puma dealer told me he would not carry the Romeo or Juliet in the 50 cc size version as the weight of their design and body panels they carry makes them quite slow he recomended if i wanted that style to go with the 150 version so instead i went with the Angel In stock form she was good for 35 to 40 mph after some performance tuning she was capable of 45 to 50mph Scooter Tag 017 by inuyasha50, on Flickr I highly recomend the brand Take care and ride safely Yours Hank
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Post by jazzman on Dec 22, 2012 12:52:27 GMT -5
yes the Romeo is good for about 35mph, depending on weight and conditions etc.. And yes they have the wrong GVWR on it, the 150 is 522 but not the 50. On other threads they say this: You cannot depend on the specs given on a website they are copied and fixed up to make sales. Especially about speed most really bump those numbers up, they know people want speed. I believe most 50s the limit is around 250lbs of butt ass and that is hurting the little thing. So if your over 200 lbs and want some descent speed you need at least a 150. www.scootandsave.com/ro50sc.html
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Post by jdikov on Dec 22, 2012 13:19:05 GMT -5
Puma sells the ZNEN scooters. Same bikes we sell under the Motorino name. ZNEN refuses to put anything over 49cc in their scoots labeled 50cc. Many of the other manufacturers like Tao Tao often bring in 50c with 62cc or 72cc engines in them. This is why many people claim that their 50cc scoot is faster than someone elses. This many get those manufcturers more sales initially but if they get caught by the feds it will cost them big time. Fines are stiff and scoots are destroyed with the importer having to pay a crush fee of $1,000/scooter. It has put distributors out of business in the past.
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Post by docxen on Dec 22, 2012 14:34:33 GMT -5
sorry about that deleted the other post. Jazzman the place that sold it to me and I also both got that information from pumacycles.com www.pumacycles.com/50cc---amp;--150cc----Romeo.html and my paper that came with it like i stated says 408 not the 522 on their own website. if it weighs 251 (shipping weight website says the bike weighs 194) that would be 157 pounds including rider, gas, etc. carasdad thinks for the advice i'll look into that. P.S. The shop i bought it steered me toward this option because i was bigger even though the similar model at gorillia website stated it was 190 some weight limit. Just didn't want anyone else to go through the hassle i'm going though.
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Post by Cookees on Dec 24, 2012 21:19:09 GMT -5
We carry the Jakester 50, Beyond 50, Eagle,Valentine and Falcon 150's. My experiance is that the Eagles are one of the quickest 150's I've seen. Our biggest problem has been rectified by reventing the gas tank.
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Post by spandi on Dec 24, 2012 23:25:22 GMT -5
I've never run into a more helpful group of people than at Puma cycles (I've read they are Znen's outlet here in the states.) I really don't feel there is any better after sales service (especially for Chinese scoots) than what they offer.
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Post by docxen on Dec 25, 2012 7:15:06 GMT -5
then why do they lie on their website?
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Post by spandi on Dec 25, 2012 7:38:19 GMT -5
The GVWR for the Romeo 50cc is 522 lb. (according to the Puma website.). If you are at or near 300 pounds, that leaves a margin of only 28 pounds or so, and expecting fast speeds and quick responsiveness, from such a modest power source that close to it's operating limitations is a bit unrealistic. (if I had been in your shoes I would have gone with the 150cc version.)
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Post by Cookees on Dec 25, 2012 14:39:59 GMT -5
They were actually trying to test a 300 lb weight limit at the factory, but couldn't figure where the third Chinese worker would sit.
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Post by docxen on Dec 25, 2012 16:01:20 GMT -5
The GVWR for the Romeo 50cc is 522 lb. (according to the Puma website.). If you are at or near 300 pounds, that leaves a margin of only 28 pounds or so, and expecting fast speeds and quick responsiveness from such a modest power source that close to it's operating limitations is a bit unrealistic. (if I had been in your shoes I would have gone with the 150cc version.) i know but the paper title i got with it stated the gvwr is 408 and the shipping weight was 251 that would be a hundred some pounds not like the website said. I looked up similar models on other sites and they state the weight limit is 190 some pounds.
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 25, 2012 18:45:20 GMT -5
Didn't the shipping weight include a metal crate? How much did the crate weigh?
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Post by spandi on Dec 25, 2012 19:02:45 GMT -5
If the GVWR is 408 lb. and the Romeo scooter weights in at 194, then it should carry a payload of roughly 214 pounds.
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Post by docxen on Dec 25, 2012 19:02:53 GMT -5
i added over 50 pnds for the shipping crate but the website said 522 the paper and most other websites i have since visited for the similar model say 408 or 180 some pound weight limit.
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Post by docxen on Dec 25, 2012 19:03:59 GMT -5
spandi that's still a hundred pounds different than what the website said.
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 25, 2012 20:38:50 GMT -5
Send it back then, have them send a 150 instead
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Post by spandi on Dec 25, 2012 20:52:18 GMT -5
NOWHERE in the equation for GVWR do you add in the weight of the shipping container and/or packing materials. I concur with scootnwinn, swap the 50cc for the larger version of the Romeo.
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Post by mainepeace on Dec 26, 2012 0:58:53 GMT -5
Many of the scooter distributors websites are created by a "family member" in the back office. The specs are rarely accurate and vary significantly between different dealers selling the exact same scooter. The problem is that there are few controls and very little legal paperwork that goes with these scooters. I'm sure even the factory doesn't know the "true specs" of the vehicle.
If an automobile gets tested by the DOT and the EPA, a tiny change like a different set of shocks installed can force the auto maker to get it re-certified. You can bet there are government inspectors checking that the imported cars have the parts they claim to have on them. With many scooter manufacturers they just grab what they have on hand to assemble the scooter. If they use a shock from a different manufacturer it could drastically change the amount of weight a scooter can handle. Good or bad, you can bet the manufacturer does not inform any government agency to get the ratings changed. There is little oversight on scooter manufacturing.
Of course, some manufacturers like Honda and Vepsa play by the rules. That is one reason their scooters cost much more than generic ones.
Greg
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Post by rockynv on Dec 28, 2012 9:45:36 GMT -5
It was my impression that Znens factory distributor only sold through brick and mortor dealerships. The recomendation was from the dealer who should have verified the data using the paperwork and not just the PumaCycle web site. I am around 245 lbs and would not consider a 50cc bike unless it was an Aprilia SR50 which is capable of speeds in the vacinity of 60 mph but out of my price range for a 50cc bike. A 150 is a more reasonable ride for a larger person however at speeds over 35 mph you will get better fuel economy from a 250 especially being a large person.
A standard 50cc bike may be rated for speeds up to 35 mph but that is on level ground and usually with a 150lb rider.
Sorry that your local dealer led you to believe the bike was something more than it was.
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Post by jazzman on Dec 28, 2012 14:06:19 GMT -5
Like mainpeace said if you believe the websites specs your very gullable. I mean it does not take a genius to look at the websites and find the specs for a 50cc to be the same as a 150cc, that right there should turn on the light up there if there is a light. You can go to different sites and 9 out of ten the specs for the same exact scoot will be different. You just have to have some little smarts about whatever your buying. If you call and complain they of course will not admit anything and will say it is a typo. But you cannot expect a 50cc to carry so much weight they were not built for that, the shocks and frame are much lighter. Would you buy a small electric push type snowblower and expect it to clear 2 feet deep of snowfall on your driveway.
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 28, 2012 15:45:55 GMT -5
Would you buy a small electric push type snowblower and expect it to clear 2 feet deep of snowfall on your driveway. He wouldn't be the first who did...
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Post by docxen on Dec 29, 2012 19:19:16 GMT -5
yea jazz i guess i was gullible if was my first scooter hopefully my 2nd one i'll more know and get something better. But the website should still not be allowed to lie if they don't respond to my email soon i'm going to the bbb.
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