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Post by swampsniper on Jul 12, 2007 22:24:29 GMT -5
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Post by MLN on Jul 12, 2007 22:31:50 GMT -5
Oil and gas smell differently. Go pull the oil dip stick on one of your cars and smell it. If it smells the same then you can rule out gas in the oil. It seems almost impossible to fill the crank case with fuel with the gas tank configuration you have. It may be possible but doesn't jump out at me. It seems that your gas tank is below your carb so under NORMAL circumstances that shouldn't happen.
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 22:39:32 GMT -5
So, I should try to turn the engine over before adding oil and a spark?
Or do you mean simply turning the flywheel? Or do you mean actually starting the engine? Can you do that without a spark plug? And is it safe without oil?
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 22:43:25 GMT -5
Oh, and thanks Jeepers!
When I bought my scoot I knew I was buying a project...I only paid 950 for it, and that included shipping!
I figured this day would come and, truthfully, it's kind of fun. I'd rather be riding, but I like working on her, too.
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Post by Aaron on Jul 12, 2007 22:43:42 GMT -5
That's right Jen turn it with the Flywheel to be sure it is free. And no never run it without oil ever...LOL Bob posted a pic of the starter..just two bolts to pull it out easier than I thought. If tapping (Not too hard) doesn't unstick it unbolt it pull it out and try to turn it with the FlyWheel or Kicker. If it turns we have the culprit.
Aaron
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 22:44:47 GMT -5
Bob, thanks for the pic. I should have no problem finding it....once I saw a picture of a feul pump it was a snap to recognize the one in my scoot.
mln, I am beginning to think I am just confusing the two smells...
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 22:46:30 GMT -5
OK, that's the first think I will try on Saturday morning.
I am off to bed for the night.
Thanks SOOOOOOOOOO much, everyone!
Talk to you tomorrow!
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 12, 2007 23:05:33 GMT -5
Disconnect the battery before you mess with the starter. Current should stop at the relay but don't take a chance.
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Post by dchme on Jul 13, 2007 10:14:05 GMT -5
Jen -- Your photos answered a question for me. I have the same little door on my Bandit RC-150 that hides your gas cap, but on mine it hides -- nothing. There's nothing useful behind it. I've wondered why I have a locking door to nothing. Obviously the same body is used on different scooters and so it has provision for gas caps in more than one place. Jon I think on our Bandits, it can be used as a drink holder ;D.
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Post by RetroAJ on Jul 13, 2007 10:22:20 GMT -5
Just jumping in here quickly, I have not read all previous posts. Have you removed the tranny cover to verify any lock up between the kick start rod/starter clutch/crank shaft and such?
*A J*
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 13, 2007 12:28:02 GMT -5
I wish I had a drink holder.....
AJ, no I haven't done that. I can do that tomorrow at the same time I am checking out the starter.
Anything in specific to look for?
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Post by RetroAJ on Jul 13, 2007 13:30:44 GMT -5
Check to see if the kick starter teeth are jammed into the teeth on the starter ring gear. You will be able to see it once you take off the trans cover and gasket. Don't worry about tearing the gasket, it is pointless anyway. Just follow the kick start rod back into the tranny, you will see where it engages the ring gear.
*A J*
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 13, 2007 13:51:59 GMT -5
Check to see if the kick starter teeth are jammed into the teeth on the starter ring gear. You will be able to see it once you take off the trans cover and gasket. Don't worry about tearing the gasket, it is pointless anyway. Just follow the kick start rod back into the tranny, you will see where it engages the ring gear. *A J* Best save this for later, if all the stuff in the kickstart pops out like it can sometimes, then it might be another problem. ;D
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Post by beaugator on Jul 13, 2007 16:48:36 GMT -5
I'm betting the starter idler gear is stuck up against the flywheel gear and has it locked up.
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 13, 2007 18:03:16 GMT -5
Some of my recently posted pics aren't going to open, I finally started trying to organize the scooter gallery into some kind of order. In the meantime I still squirrel away pictures that might be helpful. It is a lot easier to show a picture than try to describe something. If anyone has any pics to share, give me a shout. I have a lot of room for storage, we may as well use it. smg.photobucket.com/albums/v244/tsiya/MOTORSCOOTERS/
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 14, 2007 10:10:00 GMT -5
Hey, Guys,
I may have to wait until tomorrow to look into this. We've got some pretty stormy weather going on right now and the forecast indicates it will be like this all day. It's good, though, because we've been under a pretty bad drought...to the point of having water restrictions, etc. One county out here actually dried up and has to buy their water from another county...
But, if it clears up or if tomorrow is clear I'll check in on the tranny. I guess that means taking off more panels...
I tell you, some of the screws in the body panels are really hard to get to....I might leave them off when I put the panels back on. It's like they did overkill putting the body together...doesn't seem like it really needs all those screws....especially the ones where I have to use my really short screwdriver and try to get underneat the scoot while pulling on the panel to tilt the screw with one hand and having my son shine a light.....too much contortion for that!
Anyway, I'm going to sit on the couch and read a book while this weather is bad.
Bob, thanks for those photos! Those are valuable! I love the self portrait!
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Post by scb28 on Jul 14, 2007 11:52:40 GMT -5
I just read through this entire thread. I have to put my 2 cent in here. First it would seem highly unlikely or even impossible for something to happen to the internal parts of the engine, if it ran fine when you shut it off. The possiblility of a hydraulic lock from gas filling the cylinder was feasible but you've eliminated that as a possible cause. I'm thinking that AJ's thoughts about the kick starter or electric starter gear somehow jamming are pretty likely. I would go there next. Take the belt cover off the left side of the scoot and snoop around in there. Look for something out of place. I'd do that before trying to pull the starter. Definitely don't put anything back together until you've determined what it causing the engine to be locked up.
Again just my to cents. Oh, and if you do take the belt cover off, snap a pic for us to study. I would be helpful in trying to help you troubleshoot.
Good luck scb28
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 15, 2007 14:25:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip scb28...
I'm going to have to put this off another day....still raining off an on and my parking pad in the back is a soupy gravel mix right now.
At least it means I'm not begging you guys for help over your weekend!
As soon as I can I'll go out and snap a pic with the belt cover off.
Jen
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 15, 2007 19:01:23 GMT -5
Lord have mercy, Jen, I would have had that thing dragged up the steps and sitting right slap next to the coffee table, a couple of days ago, right next to my electric mountain bike! The drill press and all my other toys are on the counter right next to the microwave and the little beer fridge, first things first! I had to install the air compressor way down the hall, overloaded the circuit in the kitchen ;D
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 16, 2007 15:24:19 GMT -5
Bob...are you married with small children?
LOL!
I can see my small son if I drug that puppy into the house....I'd never find all the pieces!
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Post by jeepers94 on Jul 16, 2007 17:16:32 GMT -5
I think your son would really like to help fix it.You have to start him in a profession early.
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 16, 2007 18:10:27 GMT -5
He does come out to watch me. But after a while the skeeters start getting to him too bad.
But if I somehow managed to hoist my scoot the 5 feet up into my yard and up again into the house I imagine that parts of her would make their way into my son's bed. He's a collector...
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 16, 2007 18:36:18 GMT -5
OK, the weather is nice right now even though it's not supposed to be so I went out there to try to take the belt cover off. Only I don't have a small enough socket or wrench to do it. I briefly tried with my adjustable wrench but it wouldn't work and I was afraid of rounding out the head.
So....that means tomorrow I am off to buy a smaller than 10mm set....do they even make sockets smaller than that?
What about a wrench that's L-shaped and completely inclosed so that it bends right before the closed head?
Any suggestions on the proper or best tool?
Thanks,
Jen
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 16, 2007 19:00:20 GMT -5
The inexpensive little socket sets will do the job. They come with an adapter to fit the smaller sockets. The cover will probably be tight even with the screws out, you can use a thin screwdriver blade to start at the rear end of the seam, just don't gouge the casing. Remove the kick lever first. Try to keep the kick start shaft from moving out with the cover. There are some little bushings and washers that may fall out, watch for them.
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 16, 2007 19:48:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips, Bob. Oh, and just so you can tell what I'd be up against if I tried to get my scoot into my house...here's a picture of my house when I stand on the sidewalk in front of it: Another (you might notice it's a duplex - we own it and live in the bottom unit and rent the top unit to an art teacher): And here's from the yard to the sidewalk... City houses! So, off to Lowes tomorrow....
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Post by scottfla on Jul 16, 2007 21:18:33 GMT -5
Roll it up the side
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 16, 2007 21:53:41 GMT -5
you mean on that smooth part next to the steps? Might be a tight fit.
After that I have 4 steps to get up the actual house! There's not smooth part there...
Actually, if I could get her on the porch then I could work in any weather.
But then I'd have to worry about someone stealing her parts....it is the city afterall...
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Post by schoei1 on Jul 16, 2007 22:07:36 GMT -5
Karma to you P<0.05 for the pictures. I think everyone can see and understand that they wouldn't want to be coming home from work to so see their wife, girlfriend, kid or parent trying to push their scooter up evaluation or steps like that and loose their balance. It even looks like you would have to go up another set of steps to the left. Great pics!
Brooke
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 16, 2007 22:16:52 GMT -5
you mean on that smooth part next to the steps? Might be a tight fit. After that I have 4 steps to get up the actual house! There's not smooth part there... Actually, if I could get her on the porch then I could work in any weather. But then I'd have to worry about someone stealing her parts....it is the city afterall... It breaks my heart, Atlanta isn't what it used to be
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 16, 2007 22:20:47 GMT -5
I kept getting razzed for not bringing her into the house I just had to show what I was up against.
The first pic I took right when we bought the place when it was purely a rental property (there's a sofa on the front porch). The second and third I took about a month ago.
I love how it's elevated. It's a perfect parade house if we ever had parades on my street. Trow me sumpin, mistah! Too bad it's not back in my hometown in NOLA.
It's also fun because when you're elevated that high all the people who walk on the sidewalk don't see you. You think they would because you're up and therefore should be visable. But when people walk on a sidewalk and are focused on where they're going they just don't look up. I get to hear the most interesting tidbits of conversation.
For anyone who lives in the ATL I'm located near L5P. So, you can imagine I get lots of interesting traffic along that sidewalk!
Thanks for stopping by, Brooke!
To all, The Mad Scientist said he has a smaller socket set in his Secret LahBORuhtory that I can use to get my belt cover off, so hopefully tomorrow will see progress.
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