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Post by Aaron on Jul 9, 2007 16:46:17 GMT -5
Jen yes the nut in the center of the fly-wheel... you may not even have to remove any covers to get to it if you have a long socket.
Aaron
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Post by beaugator on Jul 9, 2007 17:00:43 GMT -5
Be sure to turn the nut in the clockwise direction if you can....
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 9, 2007 17:15:38 GMT -5
Be sure to turn the nut in the clockwise direction if you can.... Doggone it, what do we do if all we have is a digital watch? ;D Jen, you've got grit, gonna make a Redneck shade tree scooter mechanic out of you yet! My old family homestead was 222 Winona Drive, in Decatur, I don't reckon I would recognize it today.
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 9, 2007 17:15:59 GMT -5
Ok, great, will do. I'll be leaving work in about 30 minutes. Today is a late day. And, I think it's been raining. So, I might have to wait to do this tomorrow, but I will try to do it today. The thing that makes me think I might have to wait is that getting to the spark is a real BEAR. I can't to a couple of vital bolts that hold the body panels on and these panels are distinctly in the way of getting at the spark. I bought a spark wrench that's got a swivel head. It's made by Great Neck and it looks like a small street key except instead of the iron forks there's a deep socket that's attached to a swivel and surrounded by a spring. It looks like this: www.amazon.com/Great-Neck-Swivel-Spark-Wrench/dp/B0007N583YAnyway, if I can get it out using that wrench then I can test the engine for hydralock tonight. Otherwise I'll have to wait until it's not raining (I don't have a garage or carport...scoot is under a tarp) and I don't work late. thanks, again, Jen
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 9, 2007 19:15:33 GMT -5
OK, so I am home. I went out with my new wrench to get the spark out. Thing is.....either the damn thing is in there tighter than I can wrench or I'm doing it wrong.
I did try to turn the engine before I started and it won't budge....but that might be normal? No?
Hey Bob, I am going to drive by your old place in the next few days and take a picture of it and post it. You can tell me how much it has changed...
OK, I'm going back out and try for a little bit longer to get the spark out. If I don't succeed....I will try, try, try again tomorrow. I got a 6 year old I need to read to in about 30 minutes....
More soon...
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 9, 2007 19:31:40 GMT -5
ARGH! !@#$!!!!!!!! %^&*!!!!!!!!!
I BROKE THE @#$% SPARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, ok....I looked this up. I need to soak it in WD-40 and then buy myself a reverse threaded thingy and install the new plug with some anti-seize stuff.
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
So, that means taking off the panels that don't want to come off to make sure I can even do what I proposed above.....
I am so mad at myself for trying to force this thing.
And with my luck I broke it in just such a way that it means I have to take apart the entire engine into 9999999999999999999999999999 peices.....
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Post by beaugator on Jul 9, 2007 19:52:39 GMT -5
OK, did you break it off at the threads or just the ceramic (white) part? Even if you broke it off at the threads, there is enough of a hole in the center to grab with the proper size "EZ Out". They can be acquired at most autopart stores. You will need to get the short "Snapon" type that has a short fat extractor end that might just grab the center of the plug and get it out without engine disassembly.
WD40 does some really great things but used as a penetrating oil it is lacking over other, specific products like liquid wrench, Kroil, or my personal favorite... mouse milk! These work quite a bit better at seeping into the rusted threads and dissolving the corrosion.
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Post by 12string on Jul 9, 2007 19:55:08 GMT -5
Someone in Atlanta drive over there and help that girl. There is a scootdawg in distress!
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 9, 2007 20:38:54 GMT -5
I don't know yet how I broke it. I was trying to remove the sparks without removing the side panel so I was using the wrench at a 90 degree angle to the spark (or close to that).
Tomorrow I'll remove the body panel and see what kind of damage I did. It is slightly possible that the nut is still there....but with my luck...probably not.
Thanks for the tip on penetrating oil...I take it mouse milk is a brand name?
It does blow my mind, though, that this spark is so hard to remove because the scoot is only 3 months old....shouldn't rusted or corroded yet, right?
The spark is a 5/8 inch spark. I'm guessing that the "EZ Out" will read the same even though it's a "male" part and therefore smaller than the spark? I tried to Google it to find some examples but I don't know what to look for....I have this idea in my head that it fits on my ratchet and extension but instead of a hex it's a reverse threaded pipe like thing...?
12string, we can hold off on the emergency services. I haven't given up yet! But thanks for the support.
This reminds me of the time I decided to knock down two walls in my dining room to open it up to the kitchen and living room....and how I wanted to redo the floor and how when I pulled up the vinyl floor there was two layers of OSB stapled to the subfloor and how I had to pull that sumbitch up before I lay down the tileboard....and how when I finally got the new floor down I realized that I had to re-wire the outlet circuits from the walls or I'd kill the electricity in the entire room....ah, yes, there was panic and terror.
But a trip to Home Depot fixed me up. And until I've really done it here...I'm not ready to throw in my wrench (just the damn ceramic part of my spark plug!).
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Post by Aaron on Jul 9, 2007 21:01:57 GMT -5
Jen if you just broke the white part off the spark plug it's no big deal!! The base of the plug is still there and once you get the appropriate socket on it it should come right out with a good twist. All you need is new spark plug. I can't see how you did anything to it that would require tearing down the engine removing a plug.. Putting one in it's possible to strip the threads but not taking one out. You don't need Helicoils or anything yet girl!! Keep at it... you'll get it out. Just get the right size socket. Go buy a basic Metric socket set with a ratchet at Sears tell the guy to make sure it has both size spark plug sockets with it. I'm not sure it's even possible to break a spark plug in such a way to leave the threads in and not the "nut" or spark plug base. Remember to turn it "counterclockwise" to remove it. Righty tighty, lefty loosey!
Aaron
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 9, 2007 21:13:26 GMT -5
Aaron, I sure am hoping I didn't break the base, too. I was pulling (yes, I was lefty loosey), heard a snap, and suddenly remembered that sparks have glass parts....ceramic, in particular...
OK, tomorrow, I will take off the panels, confirm if I did or did not snap off the base of the spark, and will then proceed to extract the rest of the spark.
I already have a complete ratchet set, metric and standard with both short and deep sockets, etc.
Helicoils....I read about those.....*shudder*.....
OK, I'm going to bed! The 6 year old is asleep. The 32 year old is home from a night playing mad scientists with rat nerves. And the Redneck-shade-tree-scooter-mechanic-training kiosk is now closed.
Gentlemen, Ladies....same time, same place? New day. Goodnight!
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Post by MLN on Jul 9, 2007 23:09:26 GMT -5
Most people just break off the ceramic insulator. What came out when you removed your wrench? I HIGHLY doubt you broke the metal plug base.
Make sure you install the new plug with fingers only until it is seated (then you can put a wrench on it). That way you cannot cross thread it.
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 10, 2007 11:40:52 GMT -5
I have a piece of rubber hose that is a snug fit on the insulator, it makes a good handle for getting the plug started straight.
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 10, 2007 16:09:55 GMT -5
Hey All, it's 5pm here and I am heading out to get some exercise before going home. Now, I know I keep saying that I might not get to whatever today because of rain, etc, but it's been raining for the past hour. So I really don't think I will be able to do it today.
The forecast for yesterday, today, and tomorrow was scattered storms. Yesterday it didn't rain. Today it is. Hopefully tomorrow it won't be and I will take the panels off and see if I can get the spark out. I have to go get some liquid wrench or something like that anyway....
Sorry not to have anything fun to post...
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 10, 2007 17:22:25 GMT -5
Hey All, it's 5pm here and I am heading out to get some exercise before going home. Now, I know I keep saying that I might not get to whatever today because of rain, etc, but it's been raining for the past hour. So I really don't think I will be able to do it today. The forecast for yesterday, today, and tomorrow was scattered storms. Yesterday it didn't rain. Today it is. Hopefully tomorrow it won't be and I will take the panels off and see if I can get the spark out. I have to go get some liquid wrench or something like that anyway.... Sorry not to have anything fun to post... Roll that thing up the steps in to the living room, you can watch TV while you work! ;D
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 10, 2007 18:10:09 GMT -5
The idea of trying to roll my scoot up a flight of steps makes me hurt. My house is 5 feet off the street level with a nice set of steep steps going up to either entrance....yi....
I'm broke in regards to scooter funds anyway, so anything I need to buy for it will have to wait until payday this Friday. I do have a spare spark, but based on this conversation I will also need a new fuel valve....
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 11, 2007 15:41:46 GMT -5
Hey, I need to know something...if this is my fuel valve, and it seems like it is, where do I get a new one? Can I use any old one? Or only specific ones? Just thought I'd start shopping around so I'd be ready if we confirm it is the fuel valve/petcock...
Thanks,
Jen
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Post by RetroAJ on Jul 11, 2007 16:28:15 GMT -5
If you have the fuel tank in the floor like I do, that is actually a fuel pump. It is vacuum operated, but it doesn't just open and close like the petcocks do, it has to pump the fuel up to the carb. I thought about looking for a vacuum pump off of a jetski or snow mobile made by one of the big 3. I don't think it would be very cheap though.
*A J*
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 11, 2007 16:46:44 GMT -5
Yes, I confirmed that my tank is in the floor. I'll try to take a picture of what's connected to it tonight and post it....maybe someone can tell me where to get one.
However, I know we have to actually confirm that's what the problem is...
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Post by 90GTVert on Jul 11, 2007 20:33:11 GMT -5
If the photo you are using as an avitar is your scooter, I'll bet the tank is not in the floor, but behind or under the seat, in which case it is not a fuel pump. But, if you are sure you need a pump, here is a Mikuni pump for $25 that will be far superior to the OEM JinBo pump you have. www.heeters.com/snbpa.shtml#snb-fuelpumpsStan Yes, I confirmed that my tank is in the floor. I'll try to take a picture of what's connected to it tonight and post it....maybe someone can tell me where to get one. However, I know we have to actually confirm that's what the problem is...
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Post by jeepers94 on Jul 11, 2007 21:20:32 GMT -5
She said her scoot is a Roketa Capri (aka Carpi) I am sure there are othe Capri owners who can say for sure where the tank is,and if it uses a pump! Help the lady out!
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Post by vonspyder on Jul 11, 2007 22:31:24 GMT -5
makes me glad my tank's tank is above the carb behind my booty. still need to drill petcock for gravity feed and manual valve. still not sure how that will affect uphill riding though...
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 11, 2007 22:35:46 GMT -5
I couldn't get any pictures because The Mad Scientist left our digicam (sounds like a freaking anime* character) in his Secret Laboratory (and that's LaBORatory...).
But, I've got the scoot opened up and I can clearly see a metal tank under the floor....so I guess that means fuel pump....
If I've got a fuel pump then how do I get hydralock? That is the question...
Recall that I have not yet confirmed hyrdralock. My day job as a math geek and mother have prevented me from further investigation...not to mention the weather....but I will be looking into this ASAP.
I will take a pic of the tank "area", too.
Stan, thanks so much for that link. I am going to see if I can see anything in my scoot that looks anything like one of those pumps!
* As per request, the unintentionally offensive words "Jap cartoon" was replaced with the it's reference "anime", an animation product of Japan. This Fat Coon Broad stressescthat, while she is irreverent and sassy, she is not racist or ethnist towards any group of people...even Republicans.
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Post by Aaron on Jul 11, 2007 23:59:36 GMT -5
Jen I'm just curious did you ever try to kick start the scooter before you had this problem? If not the kick start may have been defective (locked up) from the start and you have had a starter failure. I'm not real sure upon reflection how a floorboard mounted tank could push gas into the carb while you were in the doctor's office unless you left the key on or the stupid remote start got activated. The same tests still apply.. remove the old plug and turn the scooter over (clockwise) with a socket wrench via the nut on the flywheel. If it turns easily and no fuel comes out you may have a broken starter and a jammed kickstart mechanism. Just another option to look at.
Aaron
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 8:46:57 GMT -5
Aaron,
I'm keeping that in mind...that I have a broken starter and jammed kick. I've never started it with the kick. I've manipulated the kick, though, but only on the first day I got it. It worked then, or at least it moved in a normal pattern.
I'm hoping to get to it tonight. The forecast is good for today.
Thanks,
Jen
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Post by jspencer on Jul 12, 2007 9:04:32 GMT -5
Where is your fuel filler? If it's under the seat, in the back, the tank is under the seat and above the carburetor. I have a Bandit RC-150 that looks identical to the Roketa Capri and the tank is under the back of the seat.
Jon
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Post by earlwb on Jul 12, 2007 9:30:16 GMT -5
When you go to fillup the fuel tank, what do you do? Do you flip up the seat? Then unscrew the gas cap and proceed to add fuel to the tank?
From the looks of this scooter, it has the fuel tank under the seat. The box under the floorboards is typically where all the scooter companies put the battery.
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 10:04:02 GMT -5
No, the tank is definitely under the floor. The gas cap is on the floor, not under the seat. My battery is under the seat.... I can see the tank under the floor.... I'll take a picture tonight.
Wow, the Bandit looks exactly like Carpi.
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Post by RetroAJ on Jul 12, 2007 10:15:17 GMT -5
I may have to pick up one of those fuel pumps just to avoid any problems. The price is cheaper than the stock pump from Scootersfactory. But all of the prices on the parts for my Vintage are stupid high from them. It would be worth it just for the peace of mind.
*A J*
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Post by 3jane on Jul 12, 2007 14:12:38 GMT -5
...(sounds like a freaking Jap cartoon character)... Jen, I have a friend of Japanese ancestry (whose father served in the U.S. Army, and received a medal for valor) who was interested in getting a scooter for herself. I pointed her to ScootDawg as a good place to gather information. After she came across your post she asked me if I thought she would be welcome on this board. I assured her that she would be. You probably didn't intend your comment to be taken as racist, but I thought it was worth mentioning, nevertheless. It's easy to forget how diverse a forum readership can be, and say things that inadvertently offend folks from different ethnic or cultural backgrounds. 3Jane
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