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Post by silverfox96 on Sept 8, 2011 16:23:09 GMT -5
I think that as the word gets out that these scoots are in actuality 63cc and not 49.5 it's gonna create a problem with not only dmv's but with law enforcement also. The state in which I reside allows (legally) anyone 15 years old and up to operate a 49.5cc scooter with no id or driver license, no registration and no plates. This will not be the case in a couple of years if the manufacturers continue to falsify the cc's of their scooters, darn it!
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Post by freedomscoot on Sept 8, 2011 17:39:24 GMT -5
To tell you the truth, Silverfox, I think such will be the case anyway- regardless of whether there are "secret 63s" or not....as they continue to take the very last threads of our freedom away and regulate, control and tax every aspect our lives....and we let them.
I mean, really, what difference should a few cc's make? As recently as 75 years ago in some places, you didn't even need a driver's license to drive a car......
Some of the states that don't require 49s to be registered, insured, licensed, already are talking about implementing those things on any vehicle, no matter what the engine size.
As scooters become more popular, and the crooks..err...politicians see that there is a larger and larger base of people to tax and control...including adults, with money, and not just teenagers, you can bet that they're gonna drag out the old "safety" rhetoric and start going after that money.
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Post by mainepeace on Sept 8, 2011 21:41:01 GMT -5
Well there is a growing movement in Maine that is trying to get the law modified to allow 150cc and below to run without motorcycle licenses. Safety and minimum power required to navigate these hills being a major factor in allowing larger engines be unlicensed as motorcycles. Not sure how far it will go though, but it exists and is growing stronger.
Greg
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Post by Pony66 on Nov 4, 2011 11:50:08 GMT -5
I have a Diamo LY1P39QMB long case engine. I checked on top of the case by the tire, it reads LRJ060411.
I have not taken it apart to measure the bore. I will update this post when I get more info.
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Post by freedomscoot on Nov 6, 2011 21:07:04 GMT -5
I just noticed today that on my engine, right under the 1P39QMB stamp, there's another number, which contains a "60" (10160xxx...)- I'm wondering if all "secret 63's" have a 60 somewhere in their serial number?
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Post by mainepeace on Nov 6, 2011 22:48:48 GMT -5
No, there is no 60 anywhere on my engine stamping. I believe that number has to do with the factory and production facility, but my memory may be faulty.
Greg
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Post by freedomscoot on Nov 7, 2011 1:27:22 GMT -5
Oh well, Greg...there goes that theory!
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Post by yensid77 on Nov 7, 2011 23:45:00 GMT -5
Mine is a 5B sad day. I do get about 40-42 mph gps verified tho so I guess I can't complain to much.
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Post by mainepeace on Nov 7, 2011 23:58:03 GMT -5
Well, one thing to think about...
Whether it is a 63 or a 50, your scooter is not going to produce any more power than it currently does just because it has a different stamping on it.
It's like a woman obsession over their weight. If the scale reads 120 or 145, they look THE SAME! So why does it matter what a little number on the scale is?
It is what it is. Your scooter goes FASTER than most other 50cc scooters, so be proud of that!
Greg
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Post by freedomscoot on Nov 8, 2011 0:04:14 GMT -5
Yeah...if a 50cc scooter can do 40MPH- whether it truly is a 50cc or a 63cc.....that is pretty darn good, and we should be well-satisfied, because i see people with scooters that cost far more, and they're struggling to do 30.
And there's always the BBK option.....
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Post by sk8almost44 on Nov 8, 2011 0:10:57 GMT -5
just found out today I have a 63cc engine 08 peace sports scooter with 6b and 1P39QMB. thanks
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Post by leepotter on Nov 8, 2011 11:40:46 GMT -5
I've got a 2011 TaoTao ATM50-A1 and case is marked 6b and 1P39QMB. Wouldn't the carbs be jetted wrong on the "secret 63s" because the carbs are tuned for 50cc? Still in the learning stages here.
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Post by mainepeace on Nov 8, 2011 13:02:09 GMT -5
Simple answer, YES. They are severely lean from the factory.
More complicated answer, it depends. The carb doesn't know what size engine is under it. It just delivers fuel based upon the pressure difference of the intake flow and ambient air. The airflow and fuel requirement profile are actually pretty much the same, the only issue being the capability of the carb to provide fuel BEYOND the 50cc mark, which it can easily with stock jetting. However, most carbs are jetted too lean from the factory anyway, and it is much more critical on a 63 as they typically have higher compression ratios AND a higher max need.
Greg
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Post by charlesg1975 on Nov 14, 2011 21:17:07 GMT -5
If you have a GMW its right next to the engine code and says .049zne. That"s what mine says and my buddys says .063zne. I don't know if thats what it means possitively but his is about 5 mph faster than mine.
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Post by mainepeace on Nov 15, 2011 21:19:52 GMT -5
What scooter do you have charles? Interesting info. I could not find ANYTHING on any of the Peace Sports engines I've looked at that even resembles 63 or 50. It could just be a concidence, or it could be a real code the factory used.
Greg
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Post by steelersfan on Nov 16, 2011 13:09:32 GMT -5
I have a stamp that says PD1P39QMB. But I can not find the 6B on it yet. I hope mine is a 63.
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Post by drfeelgood82 on Feb 14, 2012 18:44:33 GMT -5
I am wondering about mine, the other day my gf and i were going to walmart and we were on a flat road and with 400 + lbs we maxed out the Speedo =O. The numbers by the kickstand says TK1p39Qmb Btw my speedo maxes out at 50+.
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Post by timber on Mar 18, 2012 23:35:41 GMT -5
My engine encryption says " 1P39QMB " Ohhh! I checked and mine says the same thing 1P39QMB That might explain my apparent carb issue to some degree. I think eventually the DMV will start demanding everyone register all these scooters, and insure as well as have a license, it seems inevitable from the want for them to raise funds any way they can as almost every state budget is in the red, so if they can squeeze another $7 or whatever a year plus tax out of every scooter owner, plus more fees to get a license or endorsement, they will do it. I suspect that with more and more scooters on the road, as well as more people "de-restricting" their 49cc units to go faster, there will be more accidents and more accidents involving pedestrians being hit by a racing scooter unable to stop in time, and that will cause the states to start demanding liability insurance on scooters the same as for motorcycles.
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Post by inuyasha on Mar 19, 2012 0:25:59 GMT -5
Hi Here in ct 63s are as legal to ride as 50s as we use brake HP and not displacement to determine there class 5 BHp or 3.4 kW and under and its a motor driven cycle so even smaller bbk mods are legal as long as you dont go over the HP rating, no reg no insurance valid operators license no speed limit Any thing over 5 BHP and its a motorcycle insurance reg and motorcycle endorsement on license needed www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&q=430480My new SR 50 stock puts out 4.9 bhp and is good for a cruising speed of 50+mph If more states adopted that policy more small scoots would be able to safely keep up with residential, around town and into the city travel in a much safer manner Take care and drive safely Yours Hank
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Post by Pony66 on Mar 19, 2012 8:41:45 GMT -5
I've got a 2011 TaoTao ATM50-A1 and case is marked 6b and 1P39QMB. Wouldn't the carbs be jetted wrong on the "secret 63s" because the carbs are tuned for 50cc? Still in the learning stages here. You are so correct. I have a 63 and some buddies do also. They all benefited greatly from a larger main jet.
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Post by ScootOn'Em on Mar 19, 2012 11:37:33 GMT -5
Thank you for clarifying! I also have a peace 1P39QMB and the 6B marking on the engine casing. Though my carb recently went out due to the winter months/ poor storage from the previous owner. Replacing with an 18mm intake 44mm Exhaust high performance carb. The real question is what size main jet should we use for these secret 63's WITH a UNI filter? What do you guys' think?
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Post by modman139 on Mar 19, 2012 13:55:14 GMT -5
I just checked mine its a 6bi wish id known that before I swapped it with an 85cc. But its all good I finally got it running perfect. 8000 rpm n the speedo indicates 55(really 48)
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Post by dpcc487 on Mar 19, 2012 16:19:54 GMT -5
You are so correct. I have a 63 and some buddies do also. They all benefited greatly from a larger main jet. Can you tell me what jet size they used? Maybe I'll buy a new carb and re-jet it, seeing as how mine has been tamper-proofed by plugging the AFR screw AND grinding off the screw heads so I can't even take it apart to clean it or change a jet.
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Post by flu on Mar 19, 2012 22:38:47 GMT -5
Mine has no stamp near the shocks but I did notice on the valve cover it was inscribed 49cc. Does anyone else have this inscription?
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Post by sk8almost44 on Mar 19, 2012 22:40:04 GMT -5
I ordered a #80 for my main jet, still waiting for it to come in the mail to post my results.
My scooter:
08 50cc Peace Sports scooter stamped 6B and 1P39QMB so it's a 63cc.
Stock carb stock exhaust stock air filter box 4g sliders stock variator stock clutch
will post my results in a few days of the upgrade of a bigger main jet.
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Post by dpcc487 on Mar 20, 2012 10:11:13 GMT -5
Mine has no stamp near the shocks but I did notice on the valve cover it was inscribed 49cc. Does anyone else have this inscription? Mine has the 49cc inscription too. I'm guessing it is there for EPA/DMV/Police reasons.
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Post by pneathery on Mar 20, 2012 12:48:07 GMT -5
Hey yell, I tried a 83 jet on mine, and with STOCK AIR BOX, AND STOCK EXHAUST it works, but one little bit of tampering with either of those.....and it's back to sputtering and running lean, so I put a 95 on mine and took the snorkel off and took the restrictor off just inside of the snorkel and have drilled some holes in the exhaust (the red neck version of a free flowing exhaust, learned from a friend who does it to all his new Harley's) and I'm now running a little rich, but I am waiting on the uni filter that was supposed to come with my new CVK carb from scrappydogscooters, they're on back order.....bummer. So I'm hoping that will work perfectly with the 95 jet. I love this little engine, it truly is the little engine that could.
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Post by ScootOn'Em on Mar 20, 2012 16:46:51 GMT -5
I ordered a #80 for my main jet, still waiting for it to come in the mail to post my results. My scooter: 08 50cc Peace Sports scooter stamped 6B and 1P39QMB so it's a 63cc. Stock carb stock exhaust stock air filter box 4g sliders stock variator stock clutch will post my results in a few days of the upgrade of a bigger main jet. please do! considering your from atlanta, you know about the rough roads, and big hills. let me know how it works out for you.
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Post by mainepeace on Mar 20, 2012 18:23:47 GMT -5
A good jet for a free flow filter and a 63cc is an 85. Of course, your mileage may vary! Each scooter is different and your may have a different exhaust, different port size, or one of a thousand different things that will greatly affect the running.
The engines are stamped 49cc out the wazoo just to cover their butts with the EPA and law enforcement.
The 6B stamping is an internal thing for the factory and is NOT meant to be known outside. Technically, since the 6B is stamped on the transmission case and the piston and cylinder can be a different size, it is not 100% guaranteed, but so far I have not heard of any instance where it WASN'T a 63 with the 6B stamping.
Greg
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Post by timber on Mar 20, 2012 19:26:04 GMT -5
I wish I had those extra 13cc's. Seems like this might cause a legal issue, I mean so much pressure is put on the 49.9cc rule book that if the authorities knew you were running no registration, insurance, or even a helmet. NV doesn't require anything but a DL and eye protection for 50cc. Maybe it should stay a secret.... Realistically HOW would anyone know when your paperwork and your VIN plate etc all state "49cc" and it's registered as such, as long as you don't exceed the typical 49cc speed limit? Which in my state is 30 MPH. They are going mostly by the SPEED, so if you have a 10 cc weed trimmer engine you souped up and turbocharged and put a 4 bbl carb on it and adapted it to run your scooter and you were radared (<---is that even a word lol) going 40 MPH, you will get a ticket. You would get the ticket not for exceeding the POSTED speed limit, for for exceeding the lawfull speed granted to your scooter to be exempt from, license, insurance etc. There's nothing to prevent a 49 cc owner from yanking that engine out and secretly putting in a bigger engine, if it fit, or changing the gearing or rear wheel size to make it go faster, no one is going to know unless they seriously make you take off the shrouding on the bike and they examine every part of the drive train and that isn't going to happen. They WILL catch you going faster than a non licensed scooter is allowed, and issue a ticket no matter what size engine is in there. I think eventually they will just start forcing licensing , registration and insurance on ALL scooters the same as motorcycles, because there are several things moving towards that; 1) More money for cash strapped state coffers 2) More money for the insurance conglomerates 3) Increased use/popularity of scooters will result in more people being noticed and cited for speeding 40 and 50 MPH by removing restrictors and adding BBK's 4) Increased bike-pedestrian accidents involving uninsured scooter riders, and the first time some new mom pushing a baby carriage across a cross-walk and an uninsured scooter slams into her doing 40 or 50 MPH, or some old lady is hit and killed or winds up in intensive care, that's when you'll see a huge thing hit the media demanding changes. 5) Motorcycle and car drivers complaining about why THEY have to license, register and insure when 49 cc scooters don't, and yet fly by at 40 or 50 MPH
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