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Post by edfr on Mar 1, 2011 16:10:15 GMT -5
Burgman, Well you asked for it, you came on like sh!t on stink, bashing Chinese Scoots toteing your Burgman when you new MOST on here have Chinese Scoots. What you should of done is ask for help in fixing the paper weight as you call it. I will bet most on here including myself can get that puppy to purr like a kitten.
So don't blame us for jumping on you, you asked for it. Lefty
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Post by ce on Mar 1, 2011 16:16:20 GMT -5
Dude, I'll give you $850 fer yer Aeriolous sight unseen if you'll ship it to me out here in New Mexico.
Just get a bunch of come along straps and cinch it to a sturdy pallet and find a trucker headin' west.
Just go down to the truck stop and ask:
Is anybody going to San Antone, or Phoenix, Arizona? I wanna send this bitch to her new home, and forget I've ever known her.
I got 3 Flyscooters delivered strapped to a flatbed from some outfit that hauled railroad equipment for about $350, and me and the driver just muscled 'em off the back end.
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Post by burgman on Mar 1, 2011 17:05:53 GMT -5
should have read some reviews, did some research. Actually I did a lot of research. Did most of it here. That turned out to be a mistake.
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Post by sarniascoot on Mar 1, 2011 17:24:42 GMT -5
Thought this was a scooter forum. Seems more like a Chinese circle-jerk. In response to an earlier remark as to "depends on where you purchase it" I purchased it from one of the advertisers here. Valley. They ran like a dog on fire when I called them at first problem. enlighten me, what's a circle jerk?
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Post by burgman on Mar 1, 2011 17:33:32 GMT -5
Burgman, Well you asked for it, you came on like sh!t on stink, bashing Chinese Scoots toteing your Burgman when you new MOST on here have Chinese Scoots. What you should of done is ask for help in fixing the paper weight as you call it. I will bet most on here including myself can get that puppy to purr like a kitten. So don't blame us for jumping on you, you asked for it. Lefty I have not "toted" a Burgman at all. They're too darned heavy.
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Post by o5b0rn3b on Mar 1, 2011 18:11:58 GMT -5
shouldn't do all your research at one place, if customer satisfaction is the problem read reviews on the place not the scooters themselves or asking people on hear who probably didn't buy from that particular place. I just bought one sunday and i'm waiting on delivery, and i'll tell you what, I may not be the a mechanic but i have a basic knowlegde of a motor, and I'm damn confident cause the other people on here know what they are talking about. Oh, and circle jerk is pretty self-explanatory.
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Post by burgman on Mar 1, 2011 19:33:33 GMT -5
shouldn't do all your research at one place, if customer satisfaction is the problem read reviews on the place not the scooters themselves or asking people on hear who probably didn't buy from that particular place. I just bought one sunday and i'm waiting on delivery, and i'll tell you what, I may not be the a mechanic but i have a basic knowlegde of a motor, and I'm damn confident cause the other people on here know what they are talking about. Oh, and circle jerk is pretty self-explanatory. That's pretty much the way I was when I ordered my Linhai from Valley. I sincerely hope you have a better experience than I did.
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Post by edfr on Mar 1, 2011 19:45:38 GMT -5
Burgman, Well you asked for it, you came on like sh!t on stink, bashing Chinese Scoots toteing your Burgman when you new MOST on here have Chinese Scoots. What you should of done is ask for help in fixing the paper weight as you call it. I will bet most on here including myself can get that puppy to purr like a kitten. So don't blame us for jumping on you, you asked for it. Lefty I have not "toted" a Burgman at all. They're too darned heavy. Sorry, just taking a WILD GUESS because of your Sign on Name. So what is your new quality ride now, we all would like to know and see please put up a picture of it. Lefty
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Post by burgman on Mar 1, 2011 20:21:43 GMT -5
I have not "toted" a Burgman at all. They're too darned heavy. Sorry, just taking a WILD GUESS because of your Sign on Name. So what is your new quality ride now, we all would like to know and see please put up a picture of it. Lefty Yes, I do ride a Burgman. It looks like this: Except I have an after market wind screen and a Givi box on the back. It's 650cc's and very fast and reliable. I went to this after my experience with Linhai. I jumped through hoops with Scott at Sunright and John at Valley trying to correct the problems with the scoot I bought and gave it up after six months of dicking around with a new vehicle. I've put 14K trouble free miles on this current scoot and expect many more miles. I had to drive nearly 500 miles to purchase this (used) and actually have a selection of dealers locally to service it. I realized that I would have to turn a wrench or two wit the Linhai but didn't expect the thing to be a constant challenge. I don't have the time or the inclination to be a wrench monkey for reliable transportation. Don't want it, don't need it. With my current bike I can ride it to a choice of three different service centers for scheduled maintenance, can easily find replacement parts that are delivered within days and the resale is great. Plus I can usually leave a Harley Sportster in the dust which has no dollar figure on it.
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Post by Bong on Mar 1, 2011 20:45:00 GMT -5
Just curious- whats the exact problem with the Linhai? IMO turning a wrench is a good thing. A lot of people don't have disposable income to pay a mechanic. I am glad you can afford to pay someone else to work on your scoot. When that Burgy has a problem it will be expensive to repair. The shop will over charge for things you can do. How much is it to change the oil?
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Post by burgman on Mar 1, 2011 21:12:43 GMT -5
Just curious- whats the exact problem with the Linhai? IMO turning a wrench is a good thing. A lot of people don't have disposable income to pay a mechanic. I am glad you can afford to pay someone else to work on your scoot. When that Burgy has a problem it will be expensive to repair. The shop will over charge for things you can do. How much is it to change the oil? Out of the box (after 10 miles) it (the Linhai) needed new rings and heads. I checked all external bolts for tightness but after that other bolts not visible or considered became loose and fell out. It took a while to find replacements and I eventually decided to give up on the thing to be a money pit. It took six weeks to find a place to do the repairs. On the Burgman, I change my own oil and filter. 15-20 minute job. I use Amsoil Synthetic so it ain't as cheap as I'd like. I did have it changed during a service once and was not disappointed with the price. At the time I also had them put on new rubber. which wasn't all that cheap either. I have a compressor and could have done it myself but they were convenient and not that much more. I have 14K on the bike now and other than oils and air filter maintenance and tires I haven't had to do much except enjoy the ride. The tupperware is much more solid that the Linhai's and quite a bit easier to work with. You get what you pay for.
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Post by edfr on Mar 1, 2011 21:31:27 GMT -5
Make up your mine will you, you said they were to heavy. What year is it and which one do you have the Executive or none Executive? Lefty
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Post by Bong on Mar 1, 2011 21:45:05 GMT -5
Bolts falling out is normal!!! Sounds like a proper PDI was never performed on the Linhai. That's why you check every bolt upon inspection. Or a decent PDI before going even 10 miles on the scoot. Bad rings should be covered under the warranty even if drop shipped. It is a PITA to get parts under warranty but that should be covered. The scoot sat for 6 months without starting and you got a new Burgy. Sitting that long will cause other problems!!! I suggest selling your money pit to someone willing to fix it up. No reason to have a machine taking space ;D
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Post by scooteritch on Mar 1, 2011 22:52:14 GMT -5
Wow! I believe in everyone having their own opinions. However, why bring in your personal gripe session here? Just like going into a retail store, if you don't like the store, get out and don't shop there any more. Use your power of choice. Why come back to complain? What are you trying to change? All of sudden, everyone in this forum comes to a realization that we have all been fools and we all run out to a Honda or Suzuki dealer and buy a Silverwing or a Burgman? I really don't think that's the kind of people that participate in this forum. I personally own a Linhai Aeolus 260 because of the recommendation from this forum. I have over 13K miles on it and I have enjoyed most of my ownership with it. Have I had issues? Absolutely! Have I been frustrated getting stranded on the side of the road? Yes Indeed. But, I also enjoy the troubleshooting my issues and being able to repair the problems on my own. The best part is the community of people that are here to help. Good suggestions and not so good suggestions, everyone here wants to contribute. This is what makes this forum so great. The fact that total strangers take their time to help you with your problem is just amazing. Do I need to filter the information and come to my own conclusion on what course of action that I need to take? You betcha! I don't think it's right to blame anyone for the choices that you have made. I'm sure that no one put a gun to your head and told you to buy a Linhai. In the end, you are ultimately responsible for making your own decisions. If the Burgman is the one for you, that is great! Congratulations. You have made your decision. Now move on!
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Post by ce on Mar 1, 2011 22:53:10 GMT -5
You all right, Burgman, and there ain't no denying you ride a bad motorscooter.
Some of these guys are riding 50s, man, hoping they get where they're going, and then when they get there, hoping they make it home. At 30 miles an hour.
You know how many hours it takes for them to go 14,000 miles?
But they're hard riders, man, and perhaps you have inspired them to catch that deal on Craigslist, for a used Burgman, they'll buy it off some douche that sold it when it got cold, and he found out he couldn't get chicks, not even with a Burgman.
After a while on a 50, moving up to a Burgman would be like becoming an astronaut, and riding a rocket into space.
Your recommendation is sound advice, and everyone should make every effort to get the baddest scooter they can find, and leave a bunch of smoking, dripping Harleys in the dust.
There's nothing Chinese that'll do that.
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Post by themaxxx on Mar 1, 2011 23:27:33 GMT -5
This dude's more full of sh!t than a bad politician.
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Post by larrball on Mar 1, 2011 23:45:19 GMT -5
This dude's more full of sh!t than a bad any politician. Sorry themaxxx i couldn't help myself. ;D
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Post by themaxxx on Mar 2, 2011 0:41:23 GMT -5
hehehe nice
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Post by burgman on Mar 2, 2011 0:53:04 GMT -5
Make up your mine will you, you said they were to heavy. What year is it and which one do you have the Executive or none Executive? Lefty I have no idea what is entailed in "making up one's own mine" but I have an 07 standard w/o the ABS or adjustable windscreen. I'm not a minor or a miner. And to another poster above... "BOLTS FALLING OUT IS NORMAL? ?" Dude, no it's not. Even when you buy a POS from China. I Did a PDI B4 riding, a PDI suggested and described on this very site.
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Post by o5b0rn3b on Mar 2, 2011 0:55:56 GMT -5
you didn't tighten"bolts you couldn't reach" is that couldn't or didn't feel like it, didn't feel like taking the extra effort to get everything and you paid for it, sorry you had a bad experience but that's what happens.
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Post by o5b0rn3b on Mar 2, 2011 0:59:51 GMT -5
sorry not out of reach "not visible" where the words you used
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Post by burgman on Mar 2, 2011 2:08:12 GMT -5
you didn't tighten"bolts you couldn't reach" is that couldn't or didn't feel like it, didn't feel like taking the extra effort to get everything and you paid for it, sorry you had a bad experience but that's what happens. I didn't thik I would need to disassemble the bike to put it back together. I didn't break down the carb or head. There laid my failure in my PDI. Sorry for the truth here but the QM on this bike sucked. I'm not against saving pennies at all. I think Korean bikes made by Hyosung give pretty good bang for the buck. Check out their 250 scooter. It's cheap but the company is reliable. It's a real bike company that has been around for a while and not pretending to be something it's not. www.hyosungmotorsusa.com/
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Post by o5b0rn3b on Mar 2, 2011 2:32:26 GMT -5
sorry but 4500 doesn't qualify as cheap for me, happily purchased my 150 for 800 bucks
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Post by burgman on Mar 2, 2011 2:45:47 GMT -5
sorry but 4500 doesn't qualify as cheap for me, happily purchased my 150 for 800 bucks I once bought a '65 Impala convertible for $100. And this has to do with what? I thought this section was for 250cc's and up?
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Post by o5b0rn3b on Mar 2, 2011 2:50:12 GMT -5
it's under new topics, i have every right to read and comment
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Post by burgman on Mar 2, 2011 3:09:01 GMT -5
Wow! I believe in everyone having their own opinions. However, why bring in your personal gripe session here? Just like going into a retail store, if you don't like the store, get out and don't shop there any more. Use your power of choice. Why come back to complain? What are you trying to change? All of sudden, everyone in this forum comes to a realization that we have all been fools and we all run out to a Honda or Suzuki dealer and buy a Silverwing or a Burgman? I really don't think that's the kind of people that participate in this forum. I personally own a Linhai Aeolus 260 because of the recommendation from this forum. I have over 13K miles on it and I have enjoyed most of my ownership with it. Have I had issues? Absolutely! Have I been frustrated getting stranded on the side of the road? Yes Indeed. But, I also enjoy the troubleshooting my issues and being able to repair the problems on my own. The best part is the community of people that are here to help. Good suggestions and not so good suggestions, everyone here wants to contribute. This is what makes this forum so great. The fact that total strangers take their time to help you with your problem is just amazing. Do I need to filter the information and come to my own conclusion on what course of action that I need to take? You betcha! I don't think it's right to blame anyone for the choices that you have made. I'm sure that no one put a gun to your head and told you to buy a Linhai. In the end, you are ultimately responsible for making your own decisions. If the Burgman is the one for you, that is great! Congratulations. You have made your decision. Now move on! Great post and thank you for a thoughtful reply. You're right. No one put a gun to my head in regard to my Linhai purchase. My purpose in this post is to show what may happen to the non-gearhead in regard to buying an inexpensive tool for transportation or fun. I researched for quite a while before I purchased my Linhai. I found this forum which pretty much sugar coats all Chinese bike experiences. I researched the various dealers and decided on Valley and eventually came to the conclusion that the LH300T-B was the scoot for me. Turns out that GIGO ran rampant on my decision (GIGO=Garbage in garbage out). When the scoot arrived, it was scraped and I tried to address the problem but it turned out to be too much effort for the desired results and gave up. after the PDI and first ride the engine seized. Sunright, after 6 weeks and dozens of phone calls, found someone who would work on the scoot to repair it. They spent another four weeks waiting for parts and "repaired it." I got to ride it another 50 miles before the next break down. That's when I decided that I get what I pay for. I just want to give a heads up to others who aren't wrench monkey wannabees that this is a machine for folks who enjoy time in the garage over time on the road. Maybe I got a lemon. I can only talk from my own experience and I've only owned the one Linhai. Don't think I'll go back for more.
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Post by kwaidonjin on Mar 2, 2011 7:56:45 GMT -5
I learned alot from this forum, I learned I did not want a Chinese scooter, but I would never insult those that did. You do know there is a Burgman forum?Just like there is a Reflex forum.
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Post by larry001964 on Mar 2, 2011 9:20:58 GMT -5
Hi Burgman I em sorry you had such a bad experience with your Linhai, I know i love working and improving my little Chinese scooter, it definitely spends more time on the road than the garage.. I drive it every single day, the shortest trip is 5 miles, but most are in the 20 mile range or more, I had a lot of problems at first but after they were ironed out it's been a very good scooter.. All of us get lemons in our purchases from time to time, as long as your riding and happy that truly is what matters... Ride safe
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Post by burgman on Mar 2, 2011 10:03:49 GMT -5
Hi Burgman I em sorry you had such a bad experience with your Linhai, I know i love working and improving my little Chinese scooter, it definitely spends more time on the road than the garage.. I drive it every single day, the shortest trip is 5 miles, but most are in the 20 mile range or more, I had a lot of problems at first but after they were ironed out it's been a very good scooter.. All of us get lemons in our purchases from time to time, as long as your riding and happy that truly is what matters... Ride safe Stuff happens. Still living and learning. You're a gutsy rider to be riding every day in your part of the world. I usually return to the cage when the weather gets below 40 which isn't but a couple of months plus or minus in my part of the world. Hats off to you! I use my scoot as if it were a car. Grocery shopping and general transportation. I also enjoy touring on it as well. I ride with a group that includes Harleys, GW's and just about everything on two wheels. A 500+ mile day is not unusual so I really want a scoot with a proven reliability record. I understand that there are many who enjoy tinkering and tweaking their rides. It's a grand thing and a thing I apparently have little aptitude for. Hence, the Linhai was probably a bad choice for me. IMHO, it's all about the ride. So ride safely and with a smile.
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Post by scooteritch on Mar 2, 2011 11:05:26 GMT -5
Burgman,
I really do think that all of us here feel your pain. I sure do feel your frustration on getting a product that did not live up to your expectation. If your intention is to warn other users to be careful on making decisions that one may regret down the road because they will be doing more mechanical work then they anticipated by purchasing a Chinese scooter, I don't think not one person would have disagreed with you. I would think that everyone would have welcomed a personal experience story with an added warning to new riders. I'm sure many would have contributed to your story and your intended message would have been well received and appreciated. So if you really feel that "It's all about the ride", as most of us here do, let's keep it that way. : - )
As an FYI, my Linhai was trouble free until I got to 13K. I then had everything under my seat go bad. I have had few choice words for my Linhai...but I also know it comes with the territory. Happy riding!
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