Xingyue at 9,300 miles.....no sweat.

[Bluefront]

Well I reached 5K miles on the odometer yesterday. I got this ITA-150 with about 500 miles on it (Craig's List) about May 1, four months ago.....so I've been doing a lot of riding, probably as much riding as on any scoot/cycle I've ever owned, in the first four months of ownership.





There are some people who bad-mouth Chinese scooters......for all sorts of reasons. But I have to wonder if the problem is with the owner, maybe the dealer, or the Chinese bike itself. The three Chinese scooters I've had, have all been excellent machines.....with only minor problems.

I'll admit to being a retired mechanic, but the work I've done to this Xingyue has been mostly standard PDI stuff and maintenance. And of course various convenience/lighting mods for my own benefit, and not necessary.

What I did to get to 5K miles without a single break-down, without ever opening the tool box on any ride, without ever going to a dealer for service of any sort.......and without using the kick-starter a single time........

Standard PDI stuff....gas filter change when new, new rubber hoses and band clamps, checking all nuts/bolts/screws for tightness (no Loctite), checking all the wires/connections for problems.

Oil changes every 800 miles (Mobil 1 synthetic), gear oil change every other oil change (Lucas synthetic). Flushed the brake fluid one time.

Did two valve adjustments (once when I got the scoot, and again about 2K miles).

Here are the few problems I fixed.....

Changed the valve stems (recall/cracking issue).

Fixed broken plastic fender bracket (may have been shipping damage).

Blew out one headlight bulb (and replaced one headlight connector).

Single cracked weld on a muffler heat shield.

That's about it....all I remember anyway. I've taken apart other things out of curiosity.....like to examine the belt (Gates Powerlink no problems), took the front and rear pads off to see how hard the job was, removed some plastic panels to check things out, and similar things.

Thinking back on all the other scooters/cycles I've owned (a bunch), this Xingyue has been as reliable as any of them, requiring less work/maintenance than most of them, even though it has many features missing on most of my older bikes......like an electric starter and hydraulic disk brakes.

So.....if anybody tells you Chinese bikes are of lesser quality than other bikes, and break down more frequently, you can point to this Xingyue as an exception. Sure you can find bad Chinese scooters, just like you can find bad scooters from any other country. This $950 Chinese scoot is the equal any of my other bikes, and better than most in almost all aspects....including Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda, Norton, BMW, Vespa, Lambretta, others. I'm a happy owner of a Chinese scooter..... ;D





With many miles ahead....

[gross392]

I didn't know you replaced your valve stems! Was it tough to do?

[gross392]

Oh I get it now you mean valve stems in the tires not the actual valves in the engine... whew!

[Bluefront]

^^^^^Yep.....

[Kiwiscoot]

I can second that Bluefront - even tho ours rolled over only 5000kms a bit behind your 5000miles. The only thing that cracked was the big shiny exhaust shield, which I removed like you. Yesterday my wife took a friend on a 70km two-up (two grown-ups) trip without any problem.
Ours did developed a thirst for oil and an oil leak after going to synthetic oil. Since I changed to dino oil with Wynns Stop-leak oil additive it has stopped. Mine would've been manufactured in 2007. I 'll stay with dino now I think.

[Bluefront]

^^The Mobil I 10-40w synthetic motor oil I've been using does have an additive to prevent/repair leaks. This additive swells the rubber seals slightly (like all similar additives), preventing leaks.

Although I've never heard of synthetic oil w/o this additive actually causing leaks.....as compared to dino oil. I suppose it's possible though, cause the synthetic oils are more slippery. That additive does stop some seal leakage....I've been amazed at what it can do. The rear main seal on my Nissan P/U was leaking pretty bad. One application of some stop leak (forget the brand), fixed the leak permanently.

[Kiwiscoot]

I was a bit hesitant to use the stuff in the Xingyue, but I was 50kms from home when I noticed the oil's low and the leak. Last time I used stuff like that was when I was a student and I could not keep up with/afford my British junk's appetite for oil. I may follow your advice and use Mobil next time.

[brndnpnt]

I have a zingyue tbx260 xy260t-4 and I am over 9200 miles in under a year. Nothin has been broken or Malfunctioning I have done two valve adjustements around every 4k. I have been puting q-horse power or castrol ful syn 10w-30. I think castrol is thinner than it says. I do plan to change the vacume and fuel lines soon. This xingyue bike is the same as the BMS tbx-260. I Love my xingyue bike I dont care what people say about scoots I am almost 10k and at this rate i dont see why I wont be at 30k soon

[nickiemcnichols]

Hey Guys! Where can I get the Wynn's Stop Leak, and how much does it cost? My mechanic told me he'd have to split the cases of my engine to stop the oil leak.... wonder if this would work for me? It marks it's spot every time I stop and park, and there is oil all over the bottom of the scooter. I'm afraid it's leaking out onto my rear tire as I ride... making the tire slick as snot...

[Bluefront]

^^^^^What is supposedly leaking? The additive you put in the oil (or is in the oil to begin with), will swell the oil seals slightly. If you have a case gasket leaking oil, or a cylinder base gasket leaking.....I doubt the stuff will be of any benefit, although it wouldn't hurt to try.

Various brands of "stop-leak" products can be found at Auto Zone, O'Rileys, other car parts places.

[Bluefront]

Oh.....one important thing I forgot to add to this thread. If you ride around on a nice Xingyue, you may meet up with a pretty blond on another Chinese scooter.

[Eat Sleep Scooters]

Uh oh Blue boy is out MILF huntin on the scoot!

[Bluefront]

Thought I could hit 10K before the end of the year.....didn't quite make it.



What I've had to fix since 5K miles......outer muffler cover split, and had to be welded.

Replaced F&R tires.....they were getting thin by 8300 miles, but had some mileage left.

Same with the brake pads......I replaced both sets recently. They also had some life left, maybe 3K or so.

I cleaned out the variator only because of the mileage....and replaced the drive belt. It looked perfect. I have some oil leakage at the crank seal...not too much. Haven't done anything here yet.

That's about it. I've done plenty of different mods to the scoot, but none were really necessary. My opinion of the Xingyue hasn't changed......great scoot for the cheap price. If the worst happened to this one, I'd go looking for another just like this Xingyue. ;D

[trailheadmike]

Keep on riding bluefront! You give me hope of a smooth future for my mere 550+ mile xingyue!!

[prophecy]

thanks for posting your comments my chinese scooter has over 50,ooo miles . change belt twice tires 3xs and throttle cable 2x scooter runs fine to this day.

[Bluefront]

^^^^What brand/model is that one? That's got to be a record (so far) for a Chinese scoot. I've got four more years of riding to match that one.....

[scootdudeman]

I hope mine lasts a long time. I love my new (Xingyue) BMS pathfinder 200 scoot.

50k miles, WoW!

[califmike33]

"So.....if anybody tells you Chinese bikes are of lesser quality than other bikes, and break down more frequently, you can point to this Xingyue as an exception. Sure you can find bad Chinese scooters, just like you can find bad scooters from any other country. This $950 Chinese scoot is the equal any of my other bikes, and better than most in almost all aspects....including Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda, Norton, BMW, Vespa, Lambretta, others. I'm a happy owner of a Chinese scooter." quote

Im sorry but i have to interject here, thats some pretty good milage, (so how much is Xingyue paying you to say this) or your completely obsessed with your bike.

How dare you metion your bike with the presence of Yamaha, Honda BMW, your off your rocker buddy, you have no clue what in the world your talking about. The internet is full of know it alls isnt it.

Heres the reality, chinese scooters break down alot, they break down as much as they run well thats for sure. There good bikes chinese bikes, but again nowhere even close to Honda, Yamaha BMW, Aprilia, anybody that says they are has no clue about motorcycles or scooters and is only trying to hype up there own paticular exp, or brand with there bike.

I have been around motorcycles all my life, Yamaha, Hondas, and now i have chineses scooter, im very happy with it, but guess what , i had a problem with it 2 days after i bought it, but the problem is fixed and its running well, but its still a chinese scooter in the end.

The only conclusion i can come to is your trying to brag about how well you have maintained your bike ,and how exceptional Xingyue motors are. Yes they may be on the upper end of the chinese scooter, but in the end its still a chinese scooter.

Dont go throwing information around about a subject you have no idea what your talking about. Chinese bikes are far less in quality than Japanese motorcyles and scootets, and that my friend that is a fact of life..

I have read your post, i give you some credit on things about scooters, but when it comes to this subject of Chinese vs Japaness quality of product, your completely have no clue what your talking about. I dont care what your responce is, anybody on this forum that knows motorcycles or Scooters, knows you have no idea what your talking about. If you had a Roketa, this thread would be about how great Roketas are.

Im happy for you that your bike has never had a problem and has 9k bravo well done, you giving people false impressions of Chinese scooters. Yes i own a Chinese scooter, so im not bashing them, im stating REALITY of what they are. The manuals that come with Chinese scooters say you better know how to wrench.

After all your the guy that says run full synthetic from the start on a scooter, i would say about 98% of anybody who knows motors would disagree with that statement, why would want to prolong the break in period ? putting full synthetic is during break in is not going to make your engine last any longer, therefore is foolish. You now end up with a 600 mile break in vs a 200-300.

News flash to all scootdawgs, there is no need to buy a Honda, Yamaha or Suzuki scooter cause Xingyue is just as good according to Bluefront, save your money, Honda and Yamaha are going out of business because Xingyue stole the market on scooters. ;D

[Bluefront]

^^^LOL.....if it matters, I've owned BMWs, Hondas, Yamahas, Vespas, Lambrettas, Nortons, Kawasaki, others, since I first started riding 2-wheelers in 1959. Add to that.....I've worked at three different motorcycle dealers as a mechanic, service manager, general manager, for about 15 years. I quit the business when I figured out I could make more money doing other things....

So I do know what I'm talking about......I've been there, and not just by posting on a website. In case you haven't noticed......there are no Xingyue dealers any longer. Too bad.......if there were, maybe I could make some money off my love for the Pathfinder models.

When the Japanese bikes started appearing around here, I was riding a Norton. It didn't take long for me to figure out that the Japanese brands were going to take over, even though there were many people who used the term "Jap junk".....much like what's happening these days with the Chinese brands. The future of 2-wheeled vehicles is in the hands of the Chinese, like it or not.

[jimh]

Californiamike33; go ahead, vent your spleen...you sound like a know-it-all yourself whether you realize it or not...just sayin'.

[Bluefront]

You know that any opinions on cycles/scooters are largely dependent on the individual owners.....what he likes in a 2-wheeler, and his mechanical proficiency.

I like scoots that are relatively cheaper, easier to work on, have a decent parts availability, and are reliable/practical enough to use as daily transportation.

These days that eliminates many brands that I've ridden/owned in the past. This Xingyue has never broken down on the road, never required me to fix anything while out riding, never needed pushing, never needed to be kick-started. That's more than I can say about any of the other 2-wheelers I've ever owned. Plus......I'm closing in on 11K miles on the odometer. That appears to be more miles than almost every other smaller bike/scoot out there, that I've seen anyway.

[jimh]

My United Motors 50cc has 12,000 miles with just routine maintenance though it is Korean, not Chinese...Mike, I 'm not trying to bait you, hope I didn't come off too strong.

[TERRA NUVO]

my xingyue has almost 6000 miles on it, beside a broken break switch i let get loose the only thing it ever did was drop a vac petcock line that i had shifted the pin on.

I rode it right through 10 and 15 degree weather and 60 miles everyday, sometimes 200 miles.

besides a vac line it has never not started.

it runs a little rich and that is a good thing.

And as for being gentle on the engine, you should always ride them all like your breaking them in.

califmike33

Man fact is this-you are not having fun and anybody who thinks jap bikes are great should go to the forums and see the crazy $h!t break downs they get., for which there is no excuse.

At 4000.00 a jap bike is a complete rip off for the crap that go's wrong, for that price they should almost never break down.

China bikes are made in 2.00 an hour factory's almost exclusively owned by china generals who see their product as part of economic war, which they are.

That xingyues made it out of that crap as good as they are is miraculous.

MIKE --Oh not to suffer gaining a world of scooter knowledge and yet lose ones soul.

[TERRA NUVO]

NOTICE

HEAR YE HEAR YE

IT HAS BEEN PROCLAIMED BY ONE OF OUR VERY ESTEEMED BROTHERS THAT BIG BLUE

HAS ONE OF THE MOST WIDE SPREAD FORMS OF MENTAL ABSTRACTION IN THE WORLD


a cognitive disorder knowN to professionals of the trade as Territorial Narcissism.
A Paraphilia class disorder that vents it self by a person automatically proclaiming as supreme any thing they are familiar with in a personal way.

Sorta like being born in a third world country and pretending you are in paradise.

Well as a man who actually is better then most everybody else i want to assure you all --ONLY I AM RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING, all others null and void.

Except my cat, whiskers.

califmike33

silly me!

but silly you too mike, of course you are right about most JAP bikes being better, and we do like and want your posts here,

But when you go buy a china bike filching every day waiting for it to explode and brake and your flinch nerve gos dead from over use cause the dam thing just keeps on running, one day you go damn, this does not act like that $689.00 bike my buddy bought from
GOT-YOU-GOOD . COM

OK guys we all can come out and play again and i want to be first kicking the ball

[ez4u2say1]

he probably put a electric drill on the speedometer cable for a few days

[califmike33]

Jun 13, 2011 20:14:14 GMT -5 jimh said:

Californiamike33; go ahead, vent your spleen...you sound like a know-it-all yourself whether you realize it or not...just sayin'.

No im sorry, im farrrrr from a know it all, i only talk about things i have exp with, or are time proven things. My God i hope he gets 25,000 out of his motor more power to the China bikes.

Stop treating me like im Japanese and hate Chinese bikes, my simple but true statement that i take to the grave is Japanese bikes are tons better than China bikes, its very simple and true. That dont mean you cant get 15,000 out of a China bike, but i want to see it, then i will believe it, cause anybody can claim to have xxxxxx miles.

[lilbilly1991]

I have recently bought the 2007 xingyue 150cc super charge scooter. I dont know much about them but i know it has idling problems. I have noticed the fuel hose coming from the tank and running to the carburetor is leaking right at the clamp on the carburetor. any ideas what all needs taken off to get to that whose?? I really need help!!!