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Post by Bluefront on Oct 19, 2010 16:46:32 GMT -5
FWIW.....I had already bought an orange coil for my Roketa 50, with no performance increase. So I knew what to expect. The orange coil was purchased so I could carry the OEM coil with me as a spare. Same with the orange CDI....I couldn't tell any difference, but it gives me a spare to carry. I'll admit I've never had to do any road-side repairs to either scoot I own.....but better to be safe.
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Oct 19, 2010 17:41:56 GMT -5
I have that same one somewhere in my pile of parts - was gonna put it on the motorcycle. I like having the tach too.
The bike speedo has trip and odo, and that cheapest ebay speedo has a tach too.
I read on a motorcycle forum that a guy who was going to be waiting many weeks for his BMW dash to come back used the bike speedo - fairly accurate and good to 99.9mph.
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Post by Fokus on Oct 19, 2010 22:35:43 GMT -5
Staunte Nähgarn , Sie artig fort Brennpunkt forum , liest Sie stopfen alle Zeitrechnung , Sie artig fort Roller , aufhalten artig aufbereiten , Sie Held
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Post by Bluefront on Oct 20, 2010 2:24:09 GMT -5
^^^^^My German is rusty enough....and doesn't need any more testing. En English, por favor?
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Post by Bluefront on Oct 20, 2010 9:29:31 GMT -5
Just got some parts from China Motor Parts (see the parts on page 13 of this thread).....a seat, and rear pads. They got here in seven days from California (FedEX). They both fit perfectly....this pretty much confirms that the BMS Pathfinder 150 and all it's parts are the same as the Xingyue. The seat is shaped a little differently.....feels better. After a road test later today, I can comment on the thing. I intend to have the old seat recovered with the foam modified......this is still in the planning stage. My rear pads measured 3.9mm....the new pads are 5.8mm. So they weren't worn as badly as I thought. This is with 7200 miles on the pads. So I guess you could go at least 10K miles on the OEM pads. The new pads looked identical to the old pads, with the same number on the back of the pads. I'm really pleased to find a source for OEM parts....... China Motor PartsNote... many of the listed parts can be found elsewhere for much cheaper prices......but many of these parts cannot be found elsewhere (I tried).
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Post by Bluefront on Oct 21, 2010 5:51:44 GMT -5
The new seat.....much better than the old seat. It looks pretty much the same as stock, but the foam padding seems stiffer. It may be that this foam is new.....but when I got this scoot, it only had 550 miles on it, and the stock seat felt soft then. The foam in the "dip" section is about 1" taller than stock, and the taller foam section toward the front of the seat, extends backward a few inches further. None of this would be easy to tell in a photo. Anyway.....road about 70 miles on the new seat so far. There is little/no tendency for this seat to slide you forward, even when braking. It was well worth the cost ($68 + shipping). Now I've got a spare seat to play with.....
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Post by Eat Sleep Scooters on Oct 22, 2010 17:45:41 GMT -5
I agree with you, I am not a big fan of the seat because I like to sit back a little and stretch my legs out. Its a really stiff seat but it doesnt bother me too awfully much. If you need any parts for your scooter, let me know because I got a guy here in town that supplies my mobile repair business and he has a bunch of stuff for this particular scooter.
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Post by Bluefront on Oct 26, 2010 9:53:23 GMT -5
Turned 7,500 miles yesterday, and took maybe my last long ride of the year.......about 110 miles. A Chinese scooter still running good at that mileage, all put on in about six months. Amazing..... I'm about ready for the cold weather that's right around the corner. I'm installing a new front tire the first rainy day....still riding as much as possible. It's been a good summer. Other than a 2-day period when I was getting the muffler welded (my only major problem), I road this Xingyue almost every day. That's probably more scooter riding than most people around here.
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Oct 26, 2010 20:59:33 GMT -5
Nice. Im not sure of my ODO right this second, Ive put on about 1500 to 1800 (ignoring accuracy!), riding everyday except if it was already raining before I left in the morning.
I started the MSC last night. I wish summer was coming soon!
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Post by Eat Sleep Scooters on Oct 26, 2010 21:03:52 GMT -5
I barely have 300 miles on mine and ive had it a week. I am very happy though that you have that many miles on yours. I am going to see how many miles I can get out of mine before something catastrophic happens. But knowing me, I may end up selling it by the spring time to get something newer.
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Post by Bluefront on Oct 27, 2010 5:52:50 GMT -5
For the time being.....I wouldn't hold my breath for a scooter design much better than these 16" wheel scoots. There are minor differences like water-cooling and EFI systems, but basically it's the same scoot underneath it all.
What I'd like to see improved.....an air-cooled/carburated 250cc engine (a real 250). That could realistically give you a 60/65mph cruising speed. I'd like a bigger oil capacity, and a real oil filter.
A better headlight system. I like the single headlight housing that moves with the handlebars, but it needs to be a 55W halogen bulb.....with enough reserve capacity in the stator to handle at least a set of fog lights.
A redesigned seat......this scoot will fit bigger riders easily, but the seat seems to be designed for short/small people. (The seat height is plenty tall)
There are scoots out there that already have these things.....but none I know about have the nimble look/feel of this Xingyue, or any of the other 16" wheel scoots. Other than the engine part, this scoot could be improved OEM without raising the price any big amount.
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Post by gross392 on Oct 28, 2010 11:33:38 GMT -5
For the time being.....I wouldn't hold my breath for a scooter design much better than these 16" wheel scoots. There are minor differences like water-cooling and EFI systems, but basically it's the same scoot underneath it all. Man, I'd have to totally disagree with you. Have you ever ridden an EFI scooter? And a water cooled engine would last way longer and stay cooler on longer trips. The Xingyue is a very nice scoot and i like it a lot but they are not essentially the same scoot as an EFI 4-valve zuma or something of the sort. It's a very nice scoot for the money either way. On another note, my buddy and i raced scooters the other day. He has a tank sporty with 13 inch wheels, a very common scooter in many brands... The 16 inch wheels take away initial torque and make it a little harder to get up a hill. He would take off way quicker than i would and he was able to get up hills better starting from a dead stop. However, the 16 inch wheels can go about 5 mph faster and once you get into the powerband going up the hill it's over. The 16 inches a very nice I do agree with you. Just my thoughts blue.
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Post by Bluefront on Oct 28, 2010 13:43:36 GMT -5
I'm looking at this issue from a cost standpoint. This Xingyue and other similar 16" wheel scoots, can be had for around $1200.
If you add in water cooling and an EFI system, you'll double the cost of this scoot....maybe more. A 150SH-i Honda is going for $4500. The few Chinese/Taiwan 16" wheel scoots are around $3000. Too much money for me, despite debatable claims about durability. A 250cc modern engine in a mild state of tune.....should outlast any high-performance 150 GY6, and be just as fast or faster.
All debatable of course.....
And that gearing thing......You could have a 16" wheel scoot run exactly like a 13" wheel scoot. It's not the wheel size......it's the final gear ratios. The Xingyue just happens to have rather tall gearing OEM.
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Post by Eat Sleep Scooters on Oct 28, 2010 20:26:22 GMT -5
I am not a big fan of the seat. I like my seat to be soft and fit my ass. Kind of like a cruiser seat. On the XY150, I sit to high up. This causes alot of wind resistance and results in slower up hill climbs. The wind on this thing is TERRIBLE above 45mph. You get beat to death and your ears hurt from all of the wind in your face. I dont have many problems up hills. I havent been over 7k rpms yet and most of the riding is around 6k rpms.
If I just sat a little lower and had some stylish wind protection, it would be one sweet ride.
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Post by t150 on Oct 28, 2010 23:44:40 GMT -5
Hey bluefront have you changed your clutch or springs. Or is yours still stock? And what slider weights are you using?
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Post by Bluefront on Oct 29, 2010 2:27:09 GMT -5
The basic scooter design forces the rider into a more upright seating position, compared to most motorcycles. There are some stretched-out scooter designs that sit lower, with bigger seats.....but I prefer the standard upright Xingyue design. The seat could be better however.
I'm using 10gr sliders (stock was 12gr rollers)....no change to the clutch.
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Post by Eat Sleep Scooters on Oct 29, 2010 8:46:11 GMT -5
Yea when I accelerate on this scooter, the rpms dont drop down and bog out the scooter, so the clutches on these babies are pretty decent. However, I think the pill springs could be slightly stiffer. My clutch engages at around 2500 rpms and it bogs it out a little bit.
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Post by t150 on Oct 29, 2010 10:24:39 GMT -5
Lamda50- you said yours bogs down. Is that like a little hesitation on acceratoin from dead stop?
Mine hesitates/ bogs a little when riding single, but is worse when riding double.
Bluefront- did your top end change with 10g. Mine takes longer to get to 50 when I had 11g. So I have 12 sliders now. Been debating about the springs, to see if it changes that hesitation.
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Post by Eat Sleep Scooters on Oct 29, 2010 10:55:32 GMT -5
I just bumped up to the 117.5 jet. Not alot of change and I think I still hear the lean condition. However, I did not change out the pilot jet. Would that have any affect on acceleration and lean condition while driving?
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Post by thepope97 on Oct 29, 2010 12:33:20 GMT -5
Hi, I have a zing 150 2010 automoto and I used a 40 low speed jet and a 117.5 main . 2 turns out on the mixture screw,1 spacer under needle. seems ok but I may remove the 1 spacer under needle. Hope I helped a little anyway. Bob
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Post by Bluefront on Oct 29, 2010 14:04:21 GMT -5
I haven't tried many top speed runs......but the other day I was in some fast traffic and found myself going almost 65mph (75 on the speedo). This is with 10gr sliders. I don't think I've lost any speed. I go 235lbs, and the 10gr sliders were a big improvement on acceleration.
When I changed over to a #38 pilot, the detonation noises I sometimes heard.....very rare/gone now. I had to go one notch leaner on the needle setting after that. I've got no drivability issues now, although my MPG is down somewhat from the stock settings.
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Post by t150 on Oct 30, 2010 3:06:13 GMT -5
Good to hear you have your scoot running strong. I am gonna test mine with gps when I have time to see which has better top end between my 12 and 11g sliders. I do notice that mine cruises nicely at about 45 - 55 and still has throttle left when I need it.
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Post by Eat Sleep Scooters on Oct 30, 2010 8:03:44 GMT -5
Looks like my next mod is going to be a set of 10g sliders. When Im at the 75mph indicated mark, I am only turning about 7k.
Ill probably be riding out to the Honda shop to get that 38 jet. When you order the jets from Cycle Gear, they ship you 4 of them. What am I going to do with 4 pilot jets?!
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Post by Bluefront on Oct 31, 2010 9:21:55 GMT -5
The seat deal......Got my new seat on there, and got a few bids to mod the old seat foam and make a new cover. Insane prices. So there's a change of plans....still not final. I took the cover off the old seat to check it out. The foam at the red arrow needs to be shaved down somewhat, and at the blue line the foam needs to be built up. This would give the seat a less exaggerated dip, and would give me a little ability to move backward somewhat. (I think The foam over this area is very thin however....not a whole lot can be removed (1/2" maybe). I can get just a new cover made and installed for about $60 or so.....ok I suppose. But there may be a change of plans......I found a new gel-seat cushion locally ($45). It's nice, rides good and improves the seating position for me. I like it a bunch......I had to add a second rear strap to keep it from sliding forward when the seat is opened. When riding on it, it doesn't move around at all. This is very similar to the Walmart cushion I had on there, but it looks and rides better. This may be an alternative to attempting to improve the first seat. There's no brand name on this cushion.....the guy buys them direct from China.
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Post by nomadcf on Nov 3, 2010 23:24:18 GMT -5
I just wanted to jump in here and give my two cents about the Xingyue ITA 150. For me it's been the best scoot I've owned, I WOT everyday for good +20 mins on the highways. And it doesn't give be any fits. Sure when I first got it (with 100 miles on it) I had some issues with it. But after I removed & blocked off pulse injector (supercharge), gave the crankcase it's own air filter with an extended hose, and switched to a 15-50 syn oil. The thing run with out a hiccup (now at 2670 miles) and it runs quieter, smoother. Opps I almost forgot, I also noticed some people have been installing fans on these down by the battery. I opt'ed to just redirect the airflow around the motor. Using the "fan" setup on the righ hand side. See image right side at the bottom. I just simply covered all the outlets around the outside of it (there where 2, 1 with a plug and 1 with a small tube about 3.5"). And cut out a new whole pointing upward toward front motor. And it does a great job of keeping the air flowing even at those stop lights (that never turn green, until another car comes up and can trip the sensor). And I removed the back fender,and hung the L. Plate using the 2 bolts that uses to help hold up the back fender, Then wired in a old incandescent marker light and mounted that to the "J" bar (Where the plastic clip on the fender like to break for people). That the fender also used for support (I rotated the "J" bar and unbent the bottom of it out to 90 degrees. and then just zip tied the light to it). "J" Bar Image:
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Post by Bluefront on Nov 4, 2010 3:55:33 GMT -5
^^^^^Hope you continue having fun with your scoot......you've got a lot of miles left to go. I just passed 8,000 miles yesterday on mine. Regarding your mods......I'll need photos to figure out your airflow mod. The fan I installed in mine is working well (it's turned off for the winter now). Good luck.
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Post by Eat Sleep Scooters on Nov 4, 2010 20:06:00 GMT -5
I just ordered my #38 jet. I hope to get rid of the annoying detonation I am getting. If it still doesnt go away, Ill have to look into some race gas to see if that will help it lol.
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Post by Bluefront on Nov 5, 2010 4:56:21 GMT -5
FWIW.....the variator on mine made some noise on low speed acceleration. You might be hearing that "clatter" type noise and mistaking it for detonation. When I changed to 10gr sliders it became almost dead-silent. The other thing.....this scoot is geared rather tall. That promotes detonation, sort of like trying to take off in high gear in a stick-shift car. The lighter sliders help out there also. When I was dealing with the detonation issue, I tried several types of high octane gas, as well as some octane booster. Didn't help a whole lot.....I use straight 93 octane Shell now. That new pilot jet may cure your problem here....if you're lucky.
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Post by emanyoda on Nov 11, 2010 10:27:26 GMT -5
I have 10gr slider weights as well and I just noticed on acceleration that the scoot vibrates a little bit....any thoughts.....it seems to be coming from the trany? ?
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Post by Bluefront on Nov 11, 2010 17:04:10 GMT -5
I'd have to guess at that one. Start by checking the motor mounts, and all the other nuts/bolts you can get to......particularly the bigger ones.
The exhaust system could be a problem......try running with the heat shields removed. I had a weld break on the front of the main shield mount on the muffler. Made a resonance noise on acceleration.
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