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Post by gy6rocket on Dec 3, 2008 21:07:51 GMT -5
***UPDATE OCT 2009*** I apologize for the pictures being down in this thread, I am still trying to recover what I lost by changing my ISP and losing a server. For now, so everyone can see the end product from this thread, here is a pic I took a few days ago of the bike. I am reworking the exhaust in this pic! I love winter!! HeHe, got a lot done on the scooter today, in fact got it down to the bare frame and spent a few hours cleaning up all the nasty welds, removing all the unused tabs and eliminating the center stand. All sharp edges have been smoothed out and re primed. I cannot really hear anything right now listening to the grinder go to work! In any event, I am leaving my engine as is right now, runs perfect and has the new carb mod so its sitting in the corner, untouched. Since I really needed to do my brakes I took the time to drain them of all fluid and remove that stupid pressure valve from the front. I am re engineering the rear mount to hold the caliper since I am now running a mono shock, and no longer am going to use the steel bracketry. Also remove the wire harness for further tweaking, I am no longer going to use the handle bar plastics, in favor of a custom aluminum switch panel mounted to the body portion above the glove box. I'm going ruckus style for sure on the handlebars! Also going to eliminate the gas tank level circuit and further reduce the wiring harness. Any way lots more to come, including my custom aluminum engine mount and I'm going to paint the frame a color besides black, perhaps the same color as my wheels? (pix taken with samsung blackjack ) Grinding away, this is VERY loud . . . The start Last of the plastics Now we are getting somewhere Say goodbye to the centerstand, not going to need this anymore.
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Post by tbonus02 on Dec 3, 2008 21:55:40 GMT -5
Hey, this looks like an awsome winter project. let us know how it comes together. Bone for you.
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Post by phaze on Dec 4, 2008 7:02:20 GMT -5
gy6, you really need to work at a scoot store or factory lol. red would look awesome lol
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Post by gy6rocket on Dec 4, 2008 8:07:25 GMT -5
lol, that would be pretty cool... but then I would have to abandon my computer business! I love building and tuning scooters but I love building and tuning computers even more.
Red would look really nice, its a toss up between red, baby blue, or pure white.
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Post by phaze on Dec 4, 2008 22:44:05 GMT -5
were the opposite i love my scoot yet hate my computer lol
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Post by jake318 on Dec 4, 2008 23:16:58 GMT -5
Rocket your a bundle of energy . Keep up the good work. Are you gonig to shorten the swingarm?(shorten the pivot point since a scoot essentually bends in half, makes soft ride but hurts handling) If you fing GOOD calipers available let me know . And if you ever need a refferance for other parts dont hesitate to ask. Jake Ps I couldnt get a pic tranfered on to here if a gun was held to my head lol.
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Post by gy6rocket on Dec 5, 2008 1:07:33 GMT -5
Its pretty easy to post a pic, first scootdawg does not host user files. It's a drag yes but it frees up a lot or server resources. SO first is to get your pix hosted somewhere on the internet. Photobucket, ISP provided webspace, or in my case a UNIX server After the pics are up you can access them on the net by typing in a URL or web address. For instance I took a pic and uploaded it to my isp (comcast) provided webspace I wrap the image tags around the URL and viola! you have pics. example [img]http://www.yourhost.com/pix/scootpic1.jpg[/img] Here is the scoot now, got some more done including the removal of the engine mount and more smoothing. I will have some 3D autoCAD renders of my new mount before it is constructed
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Post by gy6rocket on Dec 9, 2008 21:23:27 GMT -5
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Post by jake318 on Dec 10, 2008 9:54:19 GMT -5
Joe you keep raising the bar on suspension and handling. I would love to ride with you and see how your bike handles . Dont forget to order the Michlin radials they are back ordered till around feb last time I checked . Anything less isnt worthy to be on your bike . Jake
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Post by fastasssr20 on Dec 11, 2008 16:25:26 GMT -5
Did adding the bracket change the angle of the engine or will it move the engine forward or back? (guess you could do any combo) Just wondering if you were going to keep it in the stock position or did the bracket change all that? Looks awesome like I always say wish I had time to tinker more. Ur scoot is an inspiration to many of us +one bone
fastassr20
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Post by performancescoot on Dec 11, 2008 19:27:15 GMT -5
That is awesome! I'm with you, I can't leave well enough alone and I'm always mod-ing something! Can't wait to see what it looks like.
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Post by gy6rocket on Dec 12, 2008 0:59:18 GMT -5
The bracket will move the engine rearward about 1.25", It will give more clearance for my forward mounted carb and will also recess it a bit. I like to ride back on the seat sometimes so extending the wheelbase will make it a nicer ride. I guess I can drill a few more holes in the frame and have the front mount multi-position also. I was thinking about CNC machining slots into the mount brackets but did not want to weaken them any. LOL the engine mount is not even welded yet and its strong enough to hold the engine just due to how tight the tolerances between the parts are. There is more in store, since I am running a monoshock I will also be fabricating a rear caliper mount since the steel swing arm will be gone for reasons I will explain later. Also in the works: Pit Bike style handlebars and a custom machined switch plate for starter, signals, headlight, kill, etc. Also the plan includes mounting the CDI, Coil and Regulator to the new mount so the entire engine can be pulled by unclipping the stator wires and unbolting the mount Then it can run on the test bench stand alone from the frame.
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Post by therustyaxe on Dec 12, 2008 3:42:35 GMT -5
When can we expect to see this stuff in production and ready for sales to consumers? You could seriously make some big money off your mods. The pics are like Christmas morning every time I look at them. ;D Paul
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Post by fastasssr20 on Dec 12, 2008 10:49:36 GMT -5
hah I bought some motox bars and I bought both the turn signal light switch starter unit from a ruckus. Just need to fab up a bmx style stem to hold the bars. there is a place that sells them for like 100 bucks shipped but I wanted to make a different style. The other thing I asked for for xmas was a different style speedo tach odometer set-up and some damn time to do it. I love the look of the motox bars on the scoot good luck.
fastasssr20
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Post by gy6rocket on Dec 16, 2008 18:19:18 GMT -5
Definitely going with the motox bars Designing a switch plate for all the buttons that mounts near the neck. My new gas tank came today! Another thing I did not like about this bike is the gas tank mounted up very high and very far back over the rear tire. Not a good place for weight AT ALL! So I purchased this go kart racing style plastic see through tank to replace the OEM version. It is about half the weight as the metal one and has a built in shut-off. I really like it because I can see the fuel level just by a glance since I'm not going to have a fuel gauge anymore. I'm also moving it lower and inward, the bottom of the tank will be dead even with the carb inlet. This should help lower the center of gravity for improved handling when it is full.
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 16, 2008 21:59:43 GMT -5
Very cool. I really like the idea of making the engine easier to remove. When I saw the image of the engine mount not on the bike, before I read about it, I thought, "I used to think he was pretty cool, but now he's building ricer wings." lol I was planning the MX bars on my black Triton, but modding 2 engines is killing the wallet. Looks like 2 dawgs will beat me to that one, prob by a long shot.
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Post by gy6rocket on Dec 17, 2008 8:14:33 GMT -5
lol no rice here, i'm a function over form type of guy. The motox bars will be sweet but a 100cc custom built 2 stroke takes the cake. You'd better take some vids with sound of that 2 smoker in action. I just got back from up north haulin around on a 500cc 2 cylinder 2 stroke snow mobile. Dear god that 2 stroke is crazy fast.
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 17, 2008 8:51:55 GMT -5
500cc 2 stroke ... that's what you should be fabricating a motor mount for.
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Post by YellowScooter on Dec 17, 2008 10:45:46 GMT -5
My new gas tank came today! Another thing I did not like about this bike is the gas tank mounted up very high and very far back over the rear tire. Not a good place for weight AT ALL! So I purchased this go kart racing style plastic see through tank to replace the OEM version. It is about half the weight as the metal one and has a built in shut-off. I really like it because I can see the fuel level just by a glance since I'm not going to have a fuel gauge anymore. I'm also moving it lower and inward, the bottom of the tank will be dead even with the carb inlet. This should help lower the center of gravity for improved handling when it is full. Due to my past horrors with fuel pumps, I can't say I'll follow this path, with the fuel tank on my scooter buildup. A simple gravity feed with an open/close fuel valve will be so much easier IMO. Are you gonna TIG weld the motor mount to the frame? Aluminum to aluminum is a biatch in itself, much less joining aluminum to steel. Let me know how you make out with that, ok? I'll be using all steel on my build. I plan to tig the swingarm as one piece, then run a bolt through to eliminate the torque-flex crap. One other guy did the same thing in here, & I've been sold on that idea ever since. My motor is gonna be bumped up with a 180cc bore & casings kit with a 30mm cvk carb like dawg had on his Matrix-150. I'm also gonna look into tuning it with an O2 sensor & a laptop versus the tedious plug-read method. My friend from snappy lube has the sensor and cd kit to measure tailpipe emmissions. He uses it to tune his motorcycle, so it should work on a scooter methinks...
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Post by gy6rocket on Dec 17, 2008 17:11:30 GMT -5
Not sure what you are talking about yellow.. The tank will still be gravity fed, the outlet for the tank is at the very bottom and it will be even with the carb inlet thus gravity will still push the entire gallon downward into the carb. All the fuel itself will still be above the carb inlet. SO yes it is still a simple gravity feed system and the tank has a built in on/off as shown in the pics. I'm just moving the gas lower and more inboard than the stock location. The mount will be bolted to the frame, as evident by the machined holes on the outside brackets. I'm already running aluminum to steel bracing bars and have had no problems at all. If it were up to me the entire frame would be aluminum, since you can make aluminum extremely strong through design if you are so inclined, and it's much lighter than steel. Doing something is one thing, talking about it is another.. So where are your pics?? ?
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Post by fastasssr20 on Dec 17, 2008 17:26:58 GMT -5
Hey rocket you said you had the brackets machined out where do you go to get that done and is it expensive? I cant wait to see it all welded up. What do you expect the weight difference to be between the old mount, new bracket and then difference between all the stuff you cut off? Last question is what size is the new tank?
Thank you looks great as always Fastasssr20
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Post by gy6rocket on Dec 17, 2008 23:40:35 GMT -5
The brackets I machined myself on a Gerber Sabre 408 Router. I have an agreement with a local machine / fabrication shop and I exchange my computer services for shop time. Along with a degree in networking, I also have taken a few classes on CNC machining. Since I build custom car computers it's a must to know how to fabricate since I hand build all the chassis to spec. Let me know if you need a price on any custom designed parts.
The weight difference is not that much, about a pound or 2, but hey every bit counts when you are working with low displacement engine. I really wanted to move the engine back a bit which is the first reason I decided to tackle this.
The gas canister is just a hair over 1 gallon, about the same as stock, I picked up this tank for $20 from ebay if anyone is interested in where it came from.
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Post by YellowScooter on Dec 25, 2008 8:12:53 GMT -5
Not sure what you are talking about yellow.. The tank will still be gravity fed, the outlet for the tank is at the very bottom and it will be even with the carb inlet thus gravity will still push the entire gallon downward into the carb. All the fuel itself will still be above the carb inlet. SO yes it is still a simple gravity feed system and the tank has a built in on/off as shown in the pics. I'm just moving the gas lower and more inboard than the stock location. The mount will be bolted to the frame, as evident by the machined holes on the outside brackets. I'm already running aluminum to steel bracing bars and have had no problems at all. If it were up to me the entire frame would be aluminum, since you can make aluminum extremely strong through design if you are so inclined, and it's much lighter than steel. Doing something is one thing, talking about it is another.. So where are your pics?? ? OIC... I misread... My bad.. I thought you were saying it was being mounted below the carb. Anyhoo, the cash for my project won't be untill I get my tax return in Feb. Barring any expensive catastrophes, I'm thinking it'll be adequate to get the job done. Oh and trust me, I'll be bombarding this place and a couple other forums with a ton of questions! After the scoot is pieced together, and running like it should, I'll put together a how-to kinda deal, like sin and a few others have done. I want to be sure I did it right and have a running scooter 1st though... I'll take pics as I progress, of corse. But I might need some help putting it all together, as I've never done an extended tutorial type post before. I'd need help mainly with vocabulary. I can't expect to be taken seriously while referring to some parts as whatcha-call-its or thingys. Oh, I'll know what it does, and even how to remove & reinstall it, but as for the name? I wouldn't venture a guess.
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Post by JR on Dec 26, 2008 23:59:54 GMT -5
Great Great looking prodject and as a fabricator myself, I'm jealous! To answer your question about tigging the aluminum to the steel frame that doesn't work can't weld mild steel and aluminum together and you don't tig aluminum you heli-arc it with a high frequency AC wleder or a high frequency AC wire welder, you can tig mild steel and tig is mainly used in the Stainless Steel industry. I just got in some new hard saddlebags for my 250-B and I plan on building the mounting brackets out of Statinless steel for looks, no rust, and strength. Plan on taking pictures, measurements and making a blueprint drawing and posting it on the forum. JR
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Post by gy6rocket on Dec 28, 2008 1:11:31 GMT -5
I'm using grade 8.8 mechanical fasteners to join the aluminum to the steel. Except my design will use 8 bolts while the stock mount used 2! Perhaps an overkill but what can I say, I like to over-engineer things, in reality the mount would probably fare just fine if I use only 4 bolts.
For the record, I am using a AC wire welder to heli-arc the parts together. Once welded I will drill holes in the old 'boxed' portion on the frame that held the original mount. The holes will line up with the machined holes in the new mount. Its going to look pretty sweet with a bunch of shiny new fasteners holding it in place!
I've not had a chance to do anything this week due to holiday obligations but the construction is now ready to resume. However, I did find a local sandblaster to hit the frame and wheels for $45 which I think Is a pretty good deal. Just need to fugure out how to get the parts there as they do not fit in the trunk of my cage. After that is done I am going to prime them with "grip-guard' 2 part primer untill I decide what color to paint them.
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Post by jackthefuzz on Dec 28, 2008 12:20:42 GMT -5
gy6rocket, you rock brother! good to see you still around!
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Post by gstraitman on Dec 30, 2008 18:03:50 GMT -5
impressive, rock on. Ferd
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Post by shookupart on Dec 31, 2008 14:12:31 GMT -5
Mr rocket, could you post a picture of your mod frame brace fabrication. I am tying to eliminate the fishy wiggle in my scoot before I put the mod motor in it. jake318 says yer the guru on frame geometry. Thanks , jason. Your project here looks great. Go all the way dude!!
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Post by gy6rocket on Jan 2, 2009 1:44:09 GMT -5
Hey shook, I got your PM, will give you a call this weekend to discuss. I will also try to dig up some pics of my frame brace. It was not very complicated to make and improved the scoot handling 10x UPDATE!! The engine mount is about halfway done. I finished welding the 3 main tabs that the engine will bolt to. I decided to wait on the end caps because the part was getting REALLY hot from the welds. I won't be able to work on it again until sat or sunday but I snapped some pics with my phone of the welding and how things came out Hopefully I will have them hosted and posted very soon! Happy 2009 everyone! Also transporting parts is no longer a problem, picked up my new cage on tuesday, shiny new 2008 dodge dakota truck. Its fully loaded, leather, V8, 4x4, the works! sticker was 33k and I was able to snatch it up for just over 20k out the door. It's a thirsty ride though... All the more reason to get the scooter back together!
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Post by phaze on Jan 2, 2009 8:04:39 GMT -5
good for you gy6, but you got a dodge?? atleast you got a v8 post up some pics?
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