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Post by automattic on Aug 23, 2008 20:55:05 GMT -5
Is there a big difference between SYM and Kymco? What do you think? With the ceramic heads, 4-valves and EFI on some models, SYM blows away Kymco in my opinion. Plus they are much more dependable units for sure. -Rich Where did you get that chart? I have the People s 250 service manual and the Kymco 250 engine makes around 20 hp. Since when did more valves mean a better engine? Don't get me wrong I like SYM scooters. I have seen them in person and they are well built. Definitely much higher quality than the Chinese bike you ride. But have they been in the U.S. long enough for you to say they are more dependable than Kymco? They haven't been in the U.S. market as long as Kymco. We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by automattic on Aug 23, 2008 21:01:53 GMT -5
SYM is so far ahead of Kymco it is not even a close race. And Kymco makes very good scooters. SYM is one of those companies that you don't hear a lot about, but are major players. SYM has done contract manufacturing for all the big Japaneses scooter and cycle makers. All of the major Asian car makers (Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, etc.), and most of the aircraft industry as well. I have seen the Kymco and SYM machines side by side, and both are admirable bikes, but the SYM is just a finer made scooter. Again, there is nothing wrong with Kymco, and SYM machines are priced low in the US. They are considerably more expensive model to model in Europe. My opinions here, but based on a HUGE amount of research! Again I like Sym. Have you ever rode a Kymco or a sym bike? Have you done extensive testing on a kymco or sym, because you are talking like you have. You said, "SYM is so far ahead of Kymco it is not even a close race.", oh really. What type of research have you done. And dont tell me internet research because your gonna need to do REAL research to make claims like the one your making. And by the way what scooter do YOU ride? SunL or Roketa? LOL!!
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Post by automattic on Aug 23, 2008 21:04:07 GMT -5
The stock RV 250 will keep up with a stock Kymco Xciting 500 since the bone stock X500 will top at about 85mph. The fit and finish are really nice on both. SYM tends to overbuild their scoots some. If/when you get a chance to look at one, even look at the rails used to hold the butt bumper in place and compare it to the Xciting, the SYM is much more stout. If/when SYM makes a 500cc they will pretty much force Kymco to do some major changes. As it is, Kymco needs to start moving towards 4 valve motors. I wish they would come out with some retro fit kits for us. Tom I'm assuming you raced someone on a RV250.
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Post by TeamTEOR on Aug 24, 2008 0:46:08 GMT -5
Well, my dealer's tech did, someone who I do trust. BTW, when my X500 was bone stock I was having issues moving faster than 85-86mph (as per my GPS). Now that I have Dr. Pully's sliders and a Leo Vince I have no problem getting a bit past 100mph (not that I need to go that fast). I wanted the instant power so I could save on gas some, and I prefer to ride at about 65 (local speed limit anyway). The thing is if I need to move to avoid a road issue I can now.
As for the butt bumper rails, that is first hand experience. I had the dealer remove the one off of their RV250 to compare it to my X500.
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Post by chaajoad on Aug 24, 2008 2:55:20 GMT -5
$5000 for a Sym 250? And some forum guys think a 2005 Silverwing for $5000 is too much? That's a pricy 250 - it had better be an excellent ride, don't ya think?
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Post by "Big Guy" on Aug 24, 2008 11:22:34 GMT -5
...Where did you get that chart? I have the People s 250 service manual and the Kymco 250 engine makes around 20 hp. Since when did more valves mean a better engine? The chart come directly from the dealer packet from SYM. Kym has it as well, since SYM provided it to them after both dyno and track performance testing. When I showed it Prior Richardson (DM for Kym) he had no comment, but he had seen it before. SYM and KYM go head to head in the Taiwan marketplace, and they (SYM) use these stats in their advertising. I doubt KYM would let them do that if they were untrue. 4-valves means more power, and the ceramic head is a proven product for durability. Other advantages of the SYM are their rings, seals and internal engine parts. Engineering wise, it is a better design, and you just can't dispute the facts. And what does the US marketplace have to do with anything? Both companies have over 60 years in the scooter business, designing and building scoots for names such as Honda and Yamaha. Mercedes does not have as much time in the US as Ford does, does this mean Ford is a better product? Don't be silly... I know you ride a KYM, and I salute you for that! KYM is a great scooter, no doubt! All this is, is the old Ford vs Chevy debate... it's called owner loyalty. I owned a People for over a year when I replaced it with an HD200. They just do not compare in any way, shape or form. Why don't you call Robert at SYM and ask him for dealer references? I did, and I called over a dozen dealers, wanting to know specifically about warranty and repairs. Mostly, the answer was, "What repairs". I spoke to one major dealer that had moved over 2000 SYMs since he took on the line and he told me he had not had a single warranty claim yet. One of my friends has a KYM dealership here and he told to expect 2-3 claims in the first year on every scooter. I didn't have a single problem with my KYM except the gawd awful brake squeal they can't seem to fix. Dealer prep, or better quality... I think better quality having owned both. -Rich
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Post by automattic on Aug 24, 2008 14:57:32 GMT -5
Research is research. I ride a Honda, and have some where in the area of 45 years of two wheel experience, I have been on a Kymco, several of them, good bikes, been on only two two SYM machines, a 50cc and a 200cc, and yes, they are superior in every respect. This board is not a place to try to initiate an argument, we post our opinions and experiences. Thank you for you most undue commentary, I will ingnore the intended insult. I do respect your right to mouth off as you see fit, however, I choose to be a little more mature when and if I question another's integrity. Have a really nice day, and life for that matter. If your so mature you wouldnt have came on this board posting like you have done long term testing on sym and kymco scooters. Do you have a scooter?
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Post by jeja on Aug 24, 2008 15:05:27 GMT -5
I guess the choice is based on looks and comfort. The Sym rides a little harsher, but corners better. The Kymco rides softer. Hard choice to make. Either is a win/win. Wish I had that choice to make as neither dealer is close to me (10 hr car ride away)
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Post by automattic on Aug 24, 2008 15:16:11 GMT -5
...Where did you get that chart? I have the People s 250 service manual and the Kymco 250 engine makes around 20 hp. Since when did more valves mean a better engine? The chart come directly from the dealer packet from SYM. Kym has it as well, since SYM provided it to them after both dyno and track performance testing. When I showed it Prior Richardson (DM for Kym) he had no comment, but he had seen it before. SYM and KYM go head to head in the Taiwan marketplace, and they (SYM) use these stats in their advertising. I doubt KYM would let them do that if they were untrue. 4-valves means more power, and the ceramic head is a proven product for durability. Other advantages of the SYM are their rings, seals and internal engine parts. Engineering wise, it is a better design, and you just can't dispute the facts. And what does the US marketplace have to do with anything? Both companies have over 60 years in the scooter business, designing and building scoots for names such as Honda and Yamaha. Mercedes does not have as much time in the US as Ford does, does this mean Ford is a better product? Don't be silly... I know you ride a KYM, and I salute you for that! KYM is a great scooter, no doubt! All this is, is the old Ford vs Chevy debate... it's called owner loyalty. I owned a People for over a year when I replaced it with an HD200. They just do not compare in any way, shape or form. Why don't you call Robert at SYM and ask him for dealer references? I did, and I called over a dozen dealers, wanting to know specifically about warranty and repairs. Mostly, the answer was, "What repairs". I spoke to one major dealer that had moved over 2000 SYMs since he took on the line and he told me he had not had a single warranty claim yet. One of my friends has a KYM dealership here and he told to expect 2-3 claims in the first year on every scooter. I didn't have a single problem with my KYM except the gawd awful brake squeal they can't seem to fix. Dealer prep, or better quality... I think better quality having owned both. -Rich So you really believe the specs on that chart? LOL the fact its from sym should have been a dead give away. 4 valves does not necessarily mean more power, it means 2 more valves. I know how long SYM has been around, but we in the USA havent been exposed to them really and had a chance to log some miles on them like we have with Kymco. I have like 6,000 miles on my People S 250 and I'm sure you can find other people with Kymco bikes with way more. SYM is just getting here. I know SYM is top notch, built for Honda, yadda yadda yadda. But where are people with a sym that have put some miles on their bike. SYM is growing here. I can get Kymco parts from my dealer in a week and they have over 600 dealers. Its gonna take more than 2 extra valves and a ceramic coated cylinder for SYM to blow away KYMCO. Does SYM have what it takes to match KYMCO? I honestly think so. Will they? We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by pcody21 on Aug 24, 2008 18:10:52 GMT -5
Looking for a SYM 250 RV in So. California?....I just purchased one from a great dealer north of LA about 20 miles in Chatsworth. PACIFIC RIDES. Seems to be very open, honest and helpful and they have another 250 in the showroom. He explains it well. SYM = BMW......KYMCO = MERCEDES. No need to keep on with the "CHEV VS FORD" type disagreement. Just figure out what fits you and how much you are willling to spend. I just chose the handling and lower price of the SYM.....Thats all for me.
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Post by automattic on Aug 24, 2008 19:32:01 GMT -5
To rerun2: Yes I am an owner of a Kymco. Never tried to hide that fact. Just look right under my name or at my avatar. I havent belittled anyone or have I showed a superiority complex. You just seem a little sensitive. Nothing wrong with a man being in touch with his feminine side. I still find it funny how you could say SYM is so far ahead of Kymco like you have tested to similar models side by side. Now saying SYM is way ahead of Roketa or SunL is another thing. Just look at the main 250 cc+ page and it is full if topics of fork problems, leaks, electrical issues, etc.
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Post by Gary on Aug 25, 2008 15:16:02 GMT -5
Pcody21 - Nice post. Thanks.
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Post by pcody21 on Aug 25, 2008 19:20:14 GMT -5
Whoa. Thanks AUTOMATICC. You say that the SYM has had MANY problems that are spelled out on the "250 site"?............I thought I had spent enough time on the site to see anything like that before I made my decision for SYM. I just do not remember seeing LOTS of problems with SYM...and by the way I do not have anything against KYMCO. I like the scoot but I just purchased my SYM for $700 less so that is the only reason I went that way. PS: Can you point me to the posts that address those SYM problems please.? Thank you.
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Post by DONCAT on Aug 25, 2008 20:15:31 GMT -5
2 or 3 of my front led lites are blinking (the ones under the headlite). has this happened to anyone else with a rv 250?
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Post by Admin on Aug 25, 2008 21:22:16 GMT -5
Dawgs, let's keep the growling down. ;D SYM & Kymco are both products of quality. Let's knock off the, "I know more than you do." attitude. This is the Pound. Friendly is the word. By the way, I have a Kymco Xciting 250. If anyone in the KC area has a SYM 250 and wants to compare, let's do it.
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Post by Aaron on Aug 25, 2008 22:59:16 GMT -5
Don't do it! Last time I saw Lee riding that Kymco he was watching a Hyabusa disappear in his mirrors. Dude I told you 502 ci was way to much for an Exciting chassis.
Aaron
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Post by TeamTEOR on Aug 26, 2008 3:11:38 GMT -5
LOL Aaron! Hmmm.... Come to think about it.... You should know something, you were baited... Just look at his banner, his scooters are sleepers! Just wait till you meet again! He will open up a can of Dawg-NOS and will wave at that 502ci as he passes. J/K!! 2 or 3 of my front led lites are blinking (the ones under the headlite). has this happened to anyone else with a rv 250? Interesting, If it is under warranty I would take it in. However, I would love to see how those LEDs are installed, are they in some type of push in connector or are they soldered on. If you remove the cowl to look please take some pictures. Tom
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Post by DONCAT on Aug 26, 2008 7:27:34 GMT -5
its been raining here because of fay. supposed to rain all day. i'll get it there in the next couple of days and try to get some pics
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Post by automattic on Aug 26, 2008 20:41:29 GMT -5
Whoa. Thanks AUTOMATICC. You say that the SYM has had MANY problems that are spelled out on the "250 site"?............I thought I had spent enough time on the site to see anything like that before I made my decision for SYM. I just do not remember seeing LOTS of problems with SYM...and by the way I do not have anything against KYMCO. I like the scoot but I just purchased my SYM for $700 less so that is the only reason I went that way. PS: Can you point me to the posts that address those SYM problems please.? Thank you. You totally misread my post.
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Post by pcody21 on Aug 26, 2008 21:12:49 GMT -5
HEY AUTOMATTIC, apologize if I misunderstood your post. I am "overlearning" about my new SYM (that I pick up in a couple of days) and I thought you had some issues to share that I could watch out for. I hope you understood my posts which basically made the point that it seems like the KYMCO and the SYM are equal in quality and the ONLY reason I chose SYM was getting a better price (on sale). How silly some of the posts get when they try to argue the old "Chevy vs Ford" issue. It would be great if we could meet up some day , have a drink, and compare two fine scoots.
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Post by goblue62577 on Aug 26, 2008 23:06:53 GMT -5
Thinking about it, I'm not really sure I completely understand purchasing a SYM RV250 or Kymco Exciting 250 for about $5K when a new Burgman 400 is about $6K. I know there was a huge discussion, borderline argument, about purchasing a CCS over a used Burgman, but there we are talking about 4 grand difference between the two when purchased new and 2-3 grand when talking used Burgman. Here, it is about $1K difference when purchased new and a Burgman 400 that's a year, maybe two years old could be purchased for $4K-$5K. I guess personally I don't see the value in getting one of those when Burgman's are out there for comparable prices. Seems if you had that much to spend on a scoot to begin with, the Burgman 400 would be the better choice. Am I way off here?
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Post by TeamTEOR on Aug 27, 2008 3:08:12 GMT -5
That might work if it was paid in full up front, and may not have been the case if he was buying by using a financing company. Not many people will loan out for a used item, but I can see your point Blue. The other thing that could be a factor was if he needed the warranty or not. Some people don't mind it while other want to buy extended.
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Post by automattic on Aug 27, 2008 18:45:54 GMT -5
HEY AUTOMATTIC, apologize if I misunderstood your post. I am "overlearning" about my new SYM (that I pick up in a couple of days) and I thought you had some issues to share that I could watch out for. I hope you understood my posts which basically made the point that it seems like the KYMCO and the SYM are equal in quality and the ONLY reason I chose SYM was getting a better price (on sale). How silly some of the posts get when they try to argue the old "Chevy vs Ford" issue. It would be great if we could meet up some day , have a drink, and compare two fine scoots. No problem. Thats a fine scoot you got there. I have seen one in person. I really like the fog lights and the front LED lights. The rear light cluster is nice too. Just an overall stylish bike. Let us know how she holds up.
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Post by DONCAT on Aug 27, 2008 21:56:00 GMT -5
About to go to bed BUT had to ride my scoot a little. Beautiful nite-----Turned 1000 miles on my RV 250. It's been fantastic this past month. Put gas in earlier today and got 67 mpg.
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Post by pcody21 on Aug 28, 2008 18:11:14 GMT -5
I think you may find that SYM RV250 a bit cheaper if you shop. If the $4,999 includes the prep and all you have on top is tax it is probably a pretty OK deal. I was so torn that it just came down to price and I got the SYM enough cheaper than the KYMCO that it made sense......and it was in stock.
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Post by dlabrie on Aug 29, 2008 18:32:01 GMT -5
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Post by pcody21 on Aug 30, 2008 18:29:48 GMT -5
I am picking up my SYM RV250 next week some time. I am 6' tall and that windshield is just a bit low. Has anyone had this problem?.......Has anyone found a solution (like a custom shield)?...THANKS>
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Post by DONCAT on Aug 30, 2008 21:34:47 GMT -5
I've thought about getting a taller windshield but am unsure myself. why dont you buy one and let met know. they have an extender at Laminar . when i emailed them they said to get the one for the yamaha majesty.here is the email they sent me:
Please have a look on our website under "New Info & Photos", "Owners Photos", "Page 6", 4th photo (Sym Scooter). If you have same bike/shield as that, you can use the LIP for a Yamaha Majesty. If you have a different shield, sorry, we do not know what will fit it.
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Post by ska1117 on Sept 4, 2008 6:55:51 GMT -5
you are right pcody21. if you shop you can find the rv250 cheaper. i was quoted $4998 out the door but went to another dealer who was opening a second store and they had a grand opening sale. they sold the bike to me for $4198. even after i paid $290 in tax i was still cheaper than the other dealer by $500. ;D
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Post by ska1117 on Sept 4, 2008 7:19:52 GMT -5
is anybody using the iridium plugs in the sym rv250, if so any problems?
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