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Post by richk on Sept 23, 2009 18:33:23 GMT -5
I decided to start this thread because I had a hard time finding much info on this particular brand of scooter before I purchased it. Also, I purchased an Enviromoto 72cc powerpack (Stage 4) (http://www.enviromoto.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=3956702) and will have it installed soon, so I wanted a baseline to compare to.  I purchased this 2009 50cc Peace Scooter from a dealer in Marrieta, Georgia (just outside of Atlanta) called Twisted Motorsports (678-371-5311 or 678-689-9405). I paid $600, but they often run $550 specials. They don't have a website but run an ad on the Atlanta Craigslist every couple of days. Here's the one this week: atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/mcy/1386761838.html Tell them Rich with the Yellow and Black scooter sent you if you end up purchasing. I have put 400 miles on it so far. It gets 80-100 MPG, depending on how hard I ride it. Here are my GPS measurements with all stock parts: Average speed (75% throttle on hilly roads): 22mph Top speed, going down a slight incline: 35mph Top speed, going on a flat road: 29mph Top speed, going up a slight incline: 20mph Top speed, going up a steep incline: 13mph The speedometer is off by 5-6mph. So if it says you are going 35, you are only going 29. Now I know why I get so many tailgaters!  So far the only problem I am having with it, is that it is getting harder to start. I have to give it some gas most of the time. It also stalls out at stop lights sometimes. I probably just need to adjust the idle speed. Oh, one more problem. The seat lock doesn't work too well. It pops open quite often. Overall, I like it. It's good for 25mph roads around Atlanta. I can't take it on main roads, even the 35mph ones. The traffic flows at about 40 on these roads, and I can only get a top speed of 30 on a flat road, which most Atlanta roads aren't. That is the main reason I am getting the 72cc powerpack to get a few more MPH and acceleration. I would not buy this scooter if I had to commute on any major roads, but we'll see if the powerpack changes my mind. I found a guy up about 20 miles outside of Atlanta to install it for $150. He has a new shop so is going to pickup and dropoff for free. I'll let you know how he does with the install. Other notes that may be helpful: I purchased the full face helmet from another Peace scooter dealer in the Atlanta area for $45. He was in the ghetto and also charging about $100 more for scooters so I decided not to go back and get a scooter from him. I got a rain cover for $30 on Amazon. I put 93 octane gas in it, as recommended by the dealer. Let me know if you want to know anything else about it and I will report back when the 72cc powerpack is installed. Also, if you are in the Atlanta area let me know if you have any tips for getting around and purchasing parts locally. |
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Post by galvdcp on Sept 24, 2009 15:59:49 GMT -5
I have the exact same model bike in the red variant and even purchased from the same dealer. Unfortunately the air/fuel mixture screw on these Peace bikes is plugged with a little metal plug to mess up the ability to tweak the mixture without drilling it out.
I did find that my Peace bike was idling far too low. If you follow the many online guides to adjusting the bike to where the rear wheel almost spins, you'll stop having that cut-out problem at stop lights. There is still an underlying problem in that you can hear the engine bog sometimes at lights, but at least it doesn't turn off! I'm guessing that underlying bogging problem is the mixture.
I have a sneaking suspicion that all the Peace bikes run LEAN because they have no airflow restrictions at all. A rejet is top on my list of modifications to carry out on this bike.
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Post by kliff on Sept 24, 2009 16:29:20 GMT -5
EPA rules being put into action!
But on the GOOD side, that is one quality MIKUNI air/fuel mixer, and those little brass plgs have been known to fall out when approached gingerly with a 1/8th" drill bit, a self tapping sheet metal screw, and a pair of vice grips.... H-D's had those things for YEARS, in their Keihin CVK's....most of them fell out during PDI's and or exhaust changes.....damn funny how that can happen, huh?
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Post by richk on Sept 24, 2009 18:07:15 GMT -5
Got the kit today! Tried installing the air filter myself, what a pain. I finally got it on and went for a ride. My engine was bogging down big time, so I put the stock filter back on. Guess the change in airflow also requires some carb adjustment, something I am not willing to mess with. Also, tried to install the spark plug. No luck, the old one is jammed in tight. I'll let the pros install it all! Hopefully I'll get a call back from my mechanic and have this kit installed soon.
Bummer. I'll let my mechanic know this before he tries to put the new jet in.
Dunno if 6' 3" and 180 qualifies as hefty, but it's probably a little heavy for a 50cc.
Hmm, interesting. Wonder if it makes that much of a difference. Guess every ounce matters.
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Post by richk on Sept 24, 2009 18:43:53 GMT -5
Damned. After sending the mechanic another e-mail about the upgrade, he has decided that he can't do the install for less than $300. I wish he would have told me this before I bought the kit. My local scooter shop will do it for that and guarantee the job, so that dude just lost my business.
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Post by Enviromoto on Sept 26, 2009 10:19:22 GMT -5
Your mechanic is either a idot or trying to rip you off. Any wrench worth his salt can install that kit in less than 2 hours wthout ever doing it before. Bring it to indy and Ill do it for $150 with a oil change and complete checkout.
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Post by richk on Sept 26, 2009 13:53:02 GMT -5
Your mechanic is either a idot or trying to rip you off. Any wrench worth his salt can install that kit in less than 2 hours wthout ever doing it before. Bring it to indy and Ill do it for $150 with a oil change and complete checkout. Thanks, I already dropped that guy because he was obviously dishonest. I found a local scooter shop who is going to install the kit, tune up my bike and guarantee the work for around $200. |
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Post by markyn50 on Sept 28, 2009 20:54:52 GMT -5
I have the same exact scooter purchased from a dealer in Texas. I started having idle problems and stalling at lights and pretty much every time I stopped and trying to restart took some time to do. The problem continued to get worse and finally i was afraid to take it on busy streets. Well to make a long story short after many fix attempts, new plug, new fuel filter, carburetor adjustment nothing worked. I started searching the blogs and found out that these engines need valve adjustments soon after break in so thats what I did. Now it runs and idles better then when it was new. If your having no luck with the idle and bogging problem do a valve adjustment and you will be surprised how much better your scoot will run.
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Post by Scootless Wonder on Sept 28, 2009 21:20:56 GMT -5
That looks exactly like my "new"scoot except small differences (floorboard mostly). Nice little ride though. Adjust the valves, clean the carb (the sooner the better since it's new if it's a China carb the particles won't have settled in unreachable places yet) and you'll be good to go.
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Post by kliff on Sept 29, 2009 15:45:32 GMT -5
Probably a "creosote" type coating used inside the gas tanks, to preven t corrosion and rusting during the overseas trip.
Urals have the same problem, during the initial 500-1000 miles. Their cure is also good USA fuel line, and about 2 ounces of Sea Foam on every other tank of gas during the 1st 1K miles.
Seems to work great on all the Bashan scooters I've had too.
But whatever you do, do a PDI from start to finish, when you receive your scoot.
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Post by richk on Sept 29, 2009 17:47:15 GMT -5
Seems to work great on all the Bashan scooters I've had too. Speaking of Bashan, that is the model it shows on the official paperwork I received with the scoot. So... Peace = Bashan? Tomorrow I take the scoot to the shop to get the 72cc kit installed! Excited! |
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Post by kliff on Sept 30, 2009 6:33:41 GMT -5
Yup, Bashan + Peace. Bashan manufactures for severral makes, but of late seems to be concentrating on PEACE, and escallating the quality yard stick, all at the same time. GSMW was a large BASHAN dealer, under the EAGLE banner, but since being bought out by Tao Tao, who will be making their own "in house" scoots, that market will be drying up for Bashan. Having been to the Atlanta warehouse for PEACE, and talking to "themathclub" about the Texas facility, looks like us BASAH supporters have nothing to worry about, they'll still be around, and getting better all the time!
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Post by kliff on Oct 5, 2009 17:55:11 GMT -5
Seems to work great on all the Bashan scooters I've had too. Speaking of Bashan, that is the model it shows on the official paperwork I received with the scoot. So... Peace = Bashan? Tomorrow I take the scoot to the shop to get the 72cc kit installed! Excited! Updates, pics......3-5 hour job.....whasssssup! |
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Post by richk on Oct 5, 2009 21:12:35 GMT -5
Updates, pics......3-5 hour job.....whasssssup! Seriously! Wish I could but the shop I took it to still has it. Their excuse, which may be valid, is that their main mechanic had a family emergency so their other mechanics have not been able to get to it yet. They said I will have it back tomorrow evening or Wednesday morning... it's been tough without a scoot for almost a week now, starting to get the DT's. I'll have pictures and performance updates the day I get it back, so no worries. |
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Post by kliff on Oct 6, 2009 17:19:43 GMT -5
That blows! I'd have tried to help you out, but I'm catching up as fast as I can, and wouldn't have been able to work it in till next week, then there were the 150 mile, one way logistics of our locals.... I just sorta figured you would want to stay local.
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Post by richk on Oct 6, 2009 18:35:25 GMT -5
FINALLY got it back! I've been out riding for the past hour and a half.
To say the least, I am happy with Jeremy's (Enviromoto) 72cc kit. It doesn't have as much of an acceleration boost that I expected, but the top speed has been increased 7-10mph. I am breaking in the engine so I haven't revved it up to full yet, but I bet you it will go 40 on the flats and 45-50 downhill. It easily maintains 30-35 now, which is exactly what I wanted. Still a little sluggish uphill, but improved from before. The engine is significantly louder, I suspect due to the shorter air filter. I don't mind, but my neighbors might. It idles so nicely now, and has not stalled out once. Any tips on keeping this engine running a long time would be appreciated since this is my primary mode of transportation.
Also, BIG thanks to Jeremy for talking to my mechanic today on the phone. He explained to them that they did not need to put a new head on the engine (my mechanic insisted that I needed a performance head installed for another $150.) Also, my mechanic said he wants to start stocking Jeremy's kit because it is made with such high quality parts. He said I got a good deal on a great kit.
Not extremely happy with my mechanic. I mean they got the job done, and seemed to do it well, but it took a week and cost almost $300. If they had have communicated better I would recommend them, but I am hesitant to go back. Not going to mention names publicly, but PM me if you want more info.
I'll keep this thread going as I ride more. I'll hook the GPS up tomorrow and get some pre-break-in readings. Thought about posting pictures, but not much has changed other than the big air box is gone since the new performance air filter replaced it.
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Post by Enviromoto on Oct 6, 2009 20:49:53 GMT -5
Glad I could help. If you want a little more acceleration when its broke in I got a way to get you there. Go with 7.5G Dr. Pulley Slider weights and some 1500 Pill springs and that should do the trick. If you want this scooter to be reliable make sure your changing the oil regularly and dont ride it for over 100 miles at a time without letting it cool down a bit.
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Post by richk on Oct 6, 2009 21:12:16 GMT -5
If you want this scooter to be reliable make sure your changing the oil regularly and dont ride it for over 100 miles at a time without letting it cool down a bit. My butt can't survive more than 30 miles so I don't think that will be a problem. I'll keep the oil changes regular. How often? 300 miles? Type of oil? |
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Post by Enviromoto on Oct 6, 2009 23:10:20 GMT -5
For the first break in oil change I would say now would be a good time, then 300-500 after. I like Valvoline 10w - 40 and dont forget to change out the gear oil to a good brand (Lucas) 80-90w.
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Post by richk on Oct 8, 2009 18:16:41 GMT -5
I took it out for an hour ride today on a route I am very familiar with. I am not impressed with the uphill speed. In fact, I think it is worse than it was before. I am only getting up to about 10-15 mph going up hill, which is really annoying other drivers on the road. The engine vibrates and bogs quite a bit when I am going up a hill too, which worries me. Any ideas or is this just how these small scoots act when going up a hill?
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Post by Enviromoto on Oct 8, 2009 20:24:46 GMT -5
Must be a big hill. If its a really big hill you could have fuel starvation issues because of the float in the carburetor is at the wrong angle and shuts off the flow of fuel. That or your valves aren't adjusted correctly.
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Post by tstubbs on Oct 8, 2009 22:58:10 GMT -5
Our CVT's have a low (mileage saving) rpm range, Red didn't want to go over 22 at first. Look up CVT mods, You need to get it into power band (higher RPM's). Its kind of a dark art, its all experimentation, but if you do it right, It will SCREAM(I know, 38mph on red, the stock engine'd Galaxie, flat ground, 210lb rider). I can't tell you how though, as I work for Peace Power sports myself.
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Post by richk on Oct 9, 2009 17:43:26 GMT -5
Must be a big hill. If its a really big hill you could have fuel starvation issues because of the float in the carburetor is at the wrong angle and shuts off the flow of fuel. That or your valves aren't adjusted correctly. What about the roller weights? If this were a motorcycle it feels like I am stuck in 4th gear and can't downshift. |
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Post by richk on Oct 9, 2009 17:46:51 GMT -5
Our CVT's have a low (mileage saving) rpm range, Red didn't want to go over 22 at first. Look up CVT mods, You need to get it into power band (higher RPM's). Its kind of a dark art, its all experimentation, but if you do it right, It will SCREAM(I know, 38mph on red, the stock engine'd Galaxie, flat ground, 210lb rider). I can't tell you how though, as I work for Peace Power sports myself. Interesting... Anyone on these forums had any experience modding the CVT on a Peace to get better performance? Links to parts? Thanks. |
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Post by Enviromoto on Oct 9, 2009 20:10:04 GMT -5
Must be a big hill. If its a really big hill you could have fuel starvation issues because of the float in the carburetor is at the wrong angle and shuts off the flow of fuel. That or your valves aren't adjusted correctly. What about the roller weights? If this were a motorcycle it feels like I am stuck in 4th gear and can't downshift. For your weight you could go with some lighter rollers that will help your acceleration for sure. Back shifting is controlled by the torque spring so maybe a Naraku Variator kit is in order. It comes with the spring the rollers and a racing variator. You never did answer me though. How big are the hills? |
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Post by richk on Oct 9, 2009 20:34:31 GMT -5
You never did answer me though. How big are the hills? To be fair, I never saw a question mark.  Not sure how to answer that. Compared to what? Ever been to Atlanta? If it's not perfectly flat or downhill, I only hit about 20. |
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Post by kliff on Oct 10, 2009 6:45:06 GMT -5
Rolling hills, same as down here in Augusta, some steep sharp & short, others long progressive and forgiving, 3-8% grades
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Post by richk on Oct 10, 2009 11:01:38 GMT -5
Rolling hills, same as down here in Augusta, some steep sharp & short, others long progressive and forgiving, 3-8% grades What speed do you get up hills? |
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Post by kliff on Oct 10, 2009 17:56:12 GMT -5
Rolling hills, same as down here in Augusta, some steep sharp & short, others long progressive and forgiving, 3-8% grades What speed do you get up hills? Bashan Eagle Racer [glow=red,2,300]150[/glow]... I'm running an honest to goodness, GPS, 63mph @7300rpm on the flat with Silver Scoot. STILL on a stock air box, 'cept for two, 1.5" holes, and a couple of extra 3/8" holes in the muffler. Cruising ALL day, at about 3/4 throttle, 6500rpm, 55mph. It's all in the Variator/belt/long case PFS 115mm Var., 14.3 Dr.P. Sliders, 842 Gates P-L Other mods, two, 1.5" holes in the original air box. 2 additional 3/8" holes in the OEM muffler, rejetted, 37/110 38psi in the rear 130/70x13 tire. MY fiddy, is yet to be determined, as I'm building 2 engines simultaneously, a 72cc street /strip, and a Nitrous 85cc Strip. ONLY My Nephew's 50cc Peace Pony model, with only a derestricted, air cleaner(otherwise stock), drill muffler, rejetted carb, tops out at about 29 GPS/mpg with my 265lbs on board, and will climb most inclines in the area, without dropping below 20mph, but severral are easier to turn around, find a different, less steep route on. Ross, weighing about 120lbs, doesn't complain, so who knows. You're welcome to join us at the Scooter rebels site, I just call 'em like I see 'em, and build 'em to the best of my ability. |
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Post by richk on Oct 11, 2009 18:22:15 GMT -5
Rode it around more this weekend, and it seems to be performing better for some reason. Still only around 20mph uphills, but not terrible. Really big hills though, no more than 10mph. If I come to a complete stop and start going on the hill again sometimes I can get up to 15mph before it drops down to 10. Other than that, it's running great!
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Not sure how to answer that. Compared to what? Ever been to Atlanta? If it's not perfectly flat or downhill, I only hit about 20.