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Post by scooterherox on Apr 22, 2008 21:33:51 GMT -5
I was looking at the V3 Motorcycle and was trying to research it and didn't find to much information outside of this website. I know this is a scooter forum and believe me, I intend to get a scooter over a motorcycle, I was just curious how the two compared since I see both featured on the evo page. Not trying to start a forum war, this is an honest question.
Anyways, does anyone have any first hand experience with the V3 Motorcycle?
How does it compare to a 250cc scooter?
Does this come preinstalled with minor problems like the scooter?
Thanks,
SHX
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Post by earlwb on Apr 22, 2008 21:58:10 GMT -5
Jacine rides one all the time, I am sure she'll pipe up when she checks the forum sometime. But it feels like it is a little lower to the ground with the saddle and the more narrow bike overall, so someone a little challenged in tallness might find it a better ride. The Maxi-scooters tend to be really wide meaning you have to spread your legs wider making it a problem for a shorter person.
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Post by rerun2 on Apr 22, 2008 22:54:58 GMT -5
scooterherox,
Yeah? Posting about the 'dark side'? LOL, not to worry, a great many folks here still ride motorcycles as well as scooters, and I think practially everyone has had one at one time or another. Now those MOPED types...
Yeppers, Jacine has a lot of saddle time on that beast I believe, hang in, I am sure she will fess up and wax eloquent on the virtures of the V-3! ;d
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Post by scooterherox on Apr 22, 2008 23:12:08 GMT -5
Hey guys thanks.
I guess my main question is...
Do these have some of the same assembly problems as the chinese scooters or are they pretty much ready to go out of the box?
Thanks a bunch!
Scooterherox
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Post by earlwb on Apr 23, 2008 6:14:22 GMT -5
You still have to prep them. I don't know if you have to put the front wheel on or not. Earlier in the past they made the shipping crates smaller, by removing the front wheel and fender and leaving the handlebar dangling. But lately it seems they go for the bigger crate and less assembly work.
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Post by czechmate on Apr 23, 2008 8:08:09 GMT -5
scooterherox, I had a chance to sit on one of the V3s and it's not small and short bike. It's pretty heavy and wide bike and I had hard time to sit on it comfortably and reach the ground with my feet. I was thinking about one too but the local quy wanted a little bit too much than I could afford. I must say it's a very cool looking bike though it's still pretty much a scooter.
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Post by czechmate on Apr 23, 2008 8:22:21 GMT -5
scooterherox, I'm getting Linhai 300 from Scootertronics next week. I'm in the same situation like you -I'm a newbie and I don't the experience in fixing scooters. When you look around this forum you'll find that people are mostly satisfied with this scooter and that's why I'm getting it. I know that I'll have to work on -I have a friend who's going to help with that. It might be something to think about. If you have the budget, get Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha, Kymco, or Sym scooter. You'll have the warranty and a local support.
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Post by Jacine on Apr 23, 2008 10:02:47 GMT -5
I was looking at the V3 Motorcycle and was trying to research it and didn't find to much information outside of this website. I know this is a scooter forum and believe me, I intend to get a scooter over a motorcycle, I was just curious how the two compared since I see both featured on the evo page. Not trying to start a forum war, this is an honest question. Anyways, does anyone have any first hand experience with the V3 Motorcycle? How does it compare to a 250cc scooter? Does this come preinstalled with minor problems like the scooter? Thanks, SHX I've had the V3 for over 2 years and it continues to run and run and run. The term scooter is being lost or rather is now applied to a bike with a step thru. There will be numerous automatics coming to the market, but you can no longer apply the term scooter to an automatic. Ridley automatic motorcycle 738cc V twin, Aprilia Mana 850cc automatic sport motorcycle, CFMOTO/Qlink V3/Sapero Automatic Sport Cruiser , CFMOTO/Qlink V5/Legacy automatic cruiser etc. In terms of ride the V3 has a rake of 24 degrees, and can carve corners sport bike style, a low center of gravity and a 25.5 inch seat height, so it is excellent for those with short inseams. You can also research the V3 as the Qlink Sapero. The V3 is fully faired which does give it some extra advantage in speed but does add to weight. The bike is 390 pounds and is by no way small. Top speed is 72 mph but that's straining it. It will do an easy 65 mph on the highway, 65 mpg is typical, uses premium fuel, built in accessories and a decent sound system. If you get it prepped from a dealer then it will come assembled, otherwise the front end I believe comes disassembled. Remember this is a full size mc. There is some additional prep that you should do when received.
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Post by yarddogbbq on Apr 23, 2008 10:58:36 GMT -5
look like very cool mcs, here is a link for the folks that have the cfmoto 172mm engine (honda clone) in their scooters, the motor in the v3 and v5 are same. the file download is an xls and above the link is a link that lets you download a free excel reader so if you are like me and dont have excel, you can view engines (exploded view). and prices of some parts. carburator is same as the one on my scooter also. nice mcs. www.cfmoto-usa.com/parts.html
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Post by scooterherox on Apr 23, 2008 11:25:05 GMT -5
Hey,
Thank you! That sounds great. I understand I have to assemble the wheel, change the oil, etc.
What I meant was, does it require any corrections due to faulty factory assimilation like some of the chinese scooters? You know what I mean?
Also, the cheapest place I found was evosales. Any other places beat their price?
Thanks again,
SHX
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Post by Jacine on Apr 23, 2008 11:41:29 GMT -5
V3/Sapero V5/Legacy Aprilia Mana Ridley Honda DN01 Honda Ev06 All are automatics.
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Post by scooterherox on Apr 23, 2008 17:33:03 GMT -5
Hey Jacine,
Do you recommend buying this from EVO Sales? They seem cheapest.
Thanks,
SHX
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Post by Jacine on Apr 23, 2008 17:54:46 GMT -5
I can recommend a bike, but I really don't want to promote any dealers. Reading Evo sales page,
1. The bike is being shipped unassembled, (takes two people) that means the front wheel fender and brakes are off. 2. This bothers me. Although CFMOTO engines are good, some other parts (as with any vehicle) may be obtained from a different manufacturer. Example - the radio.
"DOA Scooter 30 day 7% warranty. Customers are responsible for any labor cost if the scooter does not start or has any problem out of the box. Customers receive up to 5% of the total purchase price as a labor allowance if we advised to take the scooter to a shop and repairs are preformed by a licensed mechanic within 30 days of receipt of your scooter. Damage caused by shipping must be claimed from the freight company, please see Shipping Damage above."
3. This I definitely do not like. I don't expect tires, brake pads, chains, or fuses to be covered. I do expect radios, body parts, and a cvt belt to be reasonably covered, as I would on any MC or car.
Bumper to Bumper Warranty. Certain scooters on this site are offered with optional bumper to bumper warranty. If purchased, this warranty will cover all parts except the following: tires, flats, bulbs, brake pads, chain, belts, fuses, body parts, all accessories (radios, CD players, MP3, disk lock, covers...) and seat. Any damage including but not limited to mishandling, mis-assembly, misuse, accident or any other cause with the exception of manufacturer defect is not covered by the warranty. Please insure that all the nuts and bolts, locks, fuse covers and other parts and properly fastened prior to usage.
I have a suspicion that the CFMOTOs they currently have are 06 or 07s, and not the 08s. Not that there is anything wrong with the 06 or 07, but there should be a greater discount.
Their parts display is very limited and they don't stock the 1000mm cvt belt which is one thing you will eventually need.
Some of the other members may chime in about Evo sales since I really don't know anything about them.
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Post by earlwb on Apr 23, 2008 20:30:12 GMT -5
This Bumper to Bumper warranty is rediculous, a complete waste of money, it is simply a trick to get a little more money out of a customer. Basically they don't warranty anything.
"Bumper to Bumper Warranty. Certain scooters on this site are offered with optional bumper to bumper warranty. If purchased, this warranty will cover all parts except the following: tires, flats, bulbs, brake pads, chain, belts, fuses, body parts, all accessories (radios, CD players, MP3, disk lock, covers...) and seat. Any damage including but not limited to mishandling, mis-assembly, misuse, accident or any other cause with the exception of manufacturer defect is not covered by the warranty. Please insure that all the nuts and bolts, locks, fuse covers and other parts and properly fastened prior to usage."
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Post by scooterherox on Apr 23, 2008 22:11:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys. I must admit...I'm kinda leaning toward the V3. You might have a fellow v3 rider soon Jacine! However, I do have some issues:
1. I think online purchasing is my only option as I don't have dealers that carry this model. 2. I'm not sure if my friend can assemble this...I might get charged out of the yin yang by a mechanic. 3. 72 mph doesn't seem fast enough for secure freeway driving, but it's about the same for all 250cc.
Do you recommend any other dealers online to purchase? Yeah, good call...it looks like warranty is out the window...
scooterherox
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Post by Jacine on Apr 23, 2008 22:54:50 GMT -5
Qlink Sapero (V3) I believe has a 2 year warranty and is better.
I think Hyproscooters.com may have a new 07 that has been discounted and CBXManmotorycles.com may have the V3/Sapero. I can't find any information on hyproscooters' warranty except that it is one year? You can call them. Qlink should be two years. CBx has the two year warranty, only delivers assembled and checked out scooters, reflected in their prices. They also have 07s discounted. Can't find any information regarding the qlink warranty, but if it hasn't changed and I remember correctly, the only stipulation was that it was assembled by a certified mechanic to cover the warranty.
You'll be very pleased with the V3. It was the prototype for the DN01, or vise versa.
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Post by earlwb on Apr 24, 2008 5:35:35 GMT -5
If you are wanting to cruise on the freeways for longer distances at 70+ mph, then you need to get a 600cc or larger engine powered bike. But if you are only getting on the freeway every now and then for shorter distances, a 250 would work OK. A 400cc bike might be better though. But it depends on how fast and how much freeway time you plan on doing.
One example is getting on a freeway for a ten mile ride around or in rush hour. The freeway is jammed and you don't get to go over 40mph, mostly creeping along at 25mph or so. Or another freeway that isn't quite so crowded but you don't go much over 50-60mph for several miles.
But getting on the freeway to make a 50 mile run at WOT to work and then a 50 mile run back home at WOT will not be good on the engine. A 250cc doesn't have the power to fight a stiff headwind especially with a long uphill run with a headwind too. You could wind up going 30mph up a long hill on the freeway as the engine bogs down, with all the motor vehicles and drivers wanting to go 65 mph around you.
Now if you have side roads and highways that you can use without getting on the freeway, then you shouldn't have a problem. many people get caught up in the trap of thinking that the freeway is the only way to travel. The freeways aren't the only way to go.
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Post by scooterherox on Apr 24, 2008 9:04:27 GMT -5
Hey guys, Thanks!
I'm very grateful for your feedback! I'm now trying to deal with finances and the cheapest route. It looks like the V3 is going to cost much more money than a MC54-250B. I'm on a $2500 - $2800 budget. That's why I asked about the V3 assimilation because that seems to be my only option. However, I don't have the knowledge to assemble the wheel/brakes etc. Furthermore, if I pay for it to be delivered fully assembled, I'm looking at paying at least $3,000 for the v3, which overshoots my budget. So I'm torn. Not to mention registration fees, license, and course test. It looks like the MC54-250b is playing it safe.
It also looks like the performance is about the same given that they use the same engines. Sorry to beat this topic to death, but as a new rider...I'm quite excited and can't stop thinking about riding ha ha. You all remember that feeling don't you? So...with that said...are there better options? What should I do?
Thanks,
SHX
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Post by earlwb on Apr 24, 2008 12:34:41 GMT -5
Not bad thinking. You could check your area out for used motorcycles and scooters too. never know what you might turn up. many motorcycle dealers have used bikes for sale, from trade in's, etc.
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Post by Jacine on Apr 24, 2008 14:51:03 GMT -5
There may be a used V3 in your area, or you could contact the dealers and see what can be worked out. Nothing to loose.
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Post by scooterherox on Apr 24, 2008 17:41:44 GMT -5
Good Idea guys. Thanks I'll do some calling around. The V3 is a very nice bike! If I come across it at a dealership...
SHX
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