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Post by Guest on Oct 3, 2006 16:51:47 GMT -5
Is it possible to take a Burgman 400cc or any other larger sized auto transmission engine to replace the V5's 250cc engine? What would be required as far as changing gear ratio's, etc, and how much would something like that cost? It would be cool to have a automatic bike with a bigger engine, cruiser style.
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Post by Aaron on Oct 3, 2006 17:36:02 GMT -5
I don't know there guest...as far as ratios and all that the inteligent thing to do would be swap out the entire engine CVT assm. and rear wheel from the Burger and fabricate new mounts to attach it to the V5 frame....$3000 for V5 $2000 for wrecked Burger god knows how much in fabrication costs....you see where I'm going with this....Honda has a cool new Auto cruiser coming out this spring that looks kinda VTX 1800 ish and we're all guessing costs around $8000. Another option is get an old Honda CM450A Automatic bike and customize it to fit your style. You want to be a sick Puppy take your V5 and put a 440 twin 2-stroke snowmobile engine in it...Ugly as hell but man would it go!
Aaron
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Post by Admin on Oct 3, 2006 18:19:39 GMT -5
I'm betting that in another few months there will be some larger automatic cruisers.
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Post by scooterollie on Oct 3, 2006 19:34:34 GMT -5
Lee;
I think you are right! We will see a "cc", size and feature race over the next few years. I think 300 ccs will replace many of the current 250 cc crop. Be interesting to see what will happen to prices.
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Post by Guest on Oct 3, 2006 21:00:17 GMT -5
I hope Honda does come out with the new DN-01 - I am aasuminig you are talking about it. I will buy one for sure, but did not know that the bike would be for sale so soon.
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Post by robbovius on Oct 4, 2006 10:10:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I have not heard ANY rumors about the supposed production of the DN-01 or E4 Crossovers. Either of those would be a huge gamble for Honda, saleswise, since the core of the motorcycling market is steadfastly "manual gearchange" oriented. perhpas after a few more yuears of maxi-scoot sales, with more people actually wanting automatic motorcycles it would make sense, btu I dont' really see it as impending, especially for the american market.
I think back to the only two autmatic motorcycles sold here by Honda, the CB750A, and the TwinStar CB400A. both were sales flops. while CVT bikes like the CFmoto V3 and V5 ( and the umm, GR150? GT150? that sportbike-looking thing) might seem to be selling well, I'd have to say that they aren't exactly a common sight, and beyond the chinese-scooter cognoscenti, they aren't even on the typcal american motorcyclist's radar.
I don't doubt that eventually, there will be a viable market for CVT-motorbikes, but currently, not so much.
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Post by Jacine on Oct 4, 2006 10:35:58 GMT -5
The DN01 ane E4 are in production and will be sold sadly in Europe and Japan but do not seem to be scheduled for the US as yet. They get all the good stuff. Almost tempted to import one but wonder if DOT and EPA would allow it on the roads. CFMOTO is coming out with a FI 500cc version of the V3 and V5, currently in the testing stages. Paggio has an 800cc scoot.
It is possible to put a larger engine in any bike assuming the cage will handle the displacement and the plastics will still fit. Cost is usually prohibitive unless you have the parts and a complete shop. Handling will change just from wt alone. We often discuss putting a larger engine in the 650 V* but usually find it cheaper to just buy a larger bike.
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Post by robbovius on Oct 5, 2006 8:59:49 GMT -5
The DN01 ane E4 are in production and will be sold sadly in Europe and Japan but do not seem to be scheduled for the US as yet. no kiddin' ? did you post a honda press release about that a while ago? I forget. well they get different stuff, anyway. to rip off an old racing aphorism: How do you make a small fortune importing and federalzing grey-market bikes? Start with LARGE fortune. ;-) no kidding? well from the pics, they've got some kinda vehicle under development, but nothing you could buy. details have been sketchy. you mean "frame", right? ;-) then again, if you take the "junkyard wars" route, getting it done for $100 is quite possible... though you have to forget about "pretty" ;-) |
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Post by Jacine on Oct 5, 2006 11:17:44 GMT -5
I'm just going to wait for the DN01. Honda is designing a new line of bikes referred to as the Dream something or other of which the DN01 is the first in the series. There is too much money now invested on behalf of Honda and the assembly lines are running so the bike will show. The EN04 is scheduled for that summer/fall of 07. Once they are out I'll start making inquiries. The US is not looked upon favorably for marketing new concepts.
The Honda execs refer to Americans as John Wayne wannabes, actually something worse but I'm too polite to quote it so there is a possiblity the the entire Dream line will stay overseas, while the older technology is dumped here.
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Post by Admin on Oct 5, 2006 14:08:38 GMT -5
I think Japan is missing the boat. The better china companies like CFMoto and QJ, along with a couple Taiwan and Korean companies seem to be making some real inroads in the US market. By the way, I like your new avatar, Jacine.  |
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Post by mgreenfield on Oct 7, 2006 16:32:06 GMT -5
jacine, ....the Honda 'Dream' was originally a line of cycles with small pressed steel 'T' frames (not welded tube) and big fenders that appeared in the US in the 60's. The S-90 was one of these T framed bikes, but not called a 'Dream'. I think most of the 'Dreams' were inclined, inline twins of 150-160cc, with some at 250cc. Maybe a 350, but I dont think so. Amazing to hear that name again. Like the new Lincoln Zephyr, which is a name from the 30's & 40's.
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Post by scooterollie on Oct 7, 2006 18:29:59 GMT -5
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Post by Jacine on Oct 7, 2006 22:47:42 GMT -5
Well it looks like Honda is going to bring back a Dream line under the theme of “Dream Wings.” The theme represents Honda’s effort to make people-motorcycle relationships more dream-inspiring and to propose a new level of riding pleasure with new values Honda will create. The DN-01 stands for the first (01) vehicle developed under Honda’s Dream New (DN) concept.
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Post by robbovius on Oct 10, 2006 6:55:58 GMT -5
Well it looks like Honda is going to bring back a Dream line under the theme of “Dream Wings.” The theme represents Honda’s effort to make people-motorcycle relationships more dream-inspiring and to propose a new level of riding pleasure with new values Honda will create. The DN-01 stands for the first (01) vehicle developed under Honda’s Dream New (DN) concept. yeah yeah yeah... all that is stuff I have been able to find myself online, but it dates back to teh tokyo show introduction of the DN-01 and E4...all of these articles say that Honda is going to produce soemthing, but no word on when or where, or anything. the mainstream press (CW, Motorcycist, etc) have nothing to offer, rumorwise. you've mentoned having some marketing contacts whove told you a few things, so like, spill it, dig? if you know some detailos, don't be coy, let's hear it. |
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Post by Jacine on Oct 10, 2006 10:13:11 GMT -5
Its a go for the DN01, but as of yet not in the US. The bikes are being produced and running off the assembly line. Markets are Japan and Europe in that order for the first quarter of 07. The E401 is expected to be sold in the fall of 07 again in Japan and Europe. The Honda dealers in the countries have been briefed and the parts stocking should be shipped in January. It is not sure if they will ever be sold in US due to our John Wayne Harley attitudes about the power of a shift transmission.
The bikes have complete computers on board and diagnostics, power and speed and a LOW seat height, finally.
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Post by robbovius on Oct 11, 2006 11:28:26 GMT -5
Intermot '06 is happening in Cologne, Germany as we speak...er...write. I've been tharashing aroudn the internets to try adn find some news about new scoots/autobikes revealed, but so far only a few things about new motorcycles. I did see one pic of a new 50cc benelli scoot, but this is hte 200cc+ forum so i can't talk about that.
I'll admit, it's certainly and exciting time to beinvolved in two-wheelers bikes AND scoots.
people, this is the new golden age.
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Post by Jacine on Oct 11, 2006 12:04:29 GMT -5
Problem is that a lot of the really interesting stuff never seems to make it across the ocean. THose that are trying to get reflex mods are having problems, yet in japan the mod list goes on and on.
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Post by robbovius on Oct 11, 2006 12:56:21 GMT -5
Problem is that a lot of the really interesting stuff never seems to make it across the ocean. THose that are trying to get reflex mods are having problems, yet in japan the mod list goes on and on. sympatico. there have been many kewl two-wheelers over the years that have not made it here. FYI I googled "intermot 2006" and found the translated page for the show, I was able to folow the Press links to the photo page and saw a few interesting things. one of which, what looked like a multi-engined scooter dragster, I'd have linked here, but that stuopid photo pages only give the javascript code, as opposed to the picture url... besides that there were only a couple other pics of scoots. |
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