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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 24, 2013 17:58:07 GMT -5
Sooooo, I was looking to remove my clutchbell to do a little modifying of the bell and sand down the pads a bit. However, once I put my 17mm socket in my impact wrench and tried to get it off,...NADDA! It wasn't budging. I soaked it with some break-free, I hit it with the impact for nearly 30 secs at one point, and NOTHING!!!
I put a clamp on the rear brakes to hold the rear-end while I did it, and I just cannot get it loose.
Ideas? Suggestions?
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Post by beachbum on Feb 24, 2013 17:59:45 GMT -5
Try heating it up first.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 24, 2013 19:03:44 GMT -5
I assume you've had success doing this then? I have a hi-temp heat gun, so I guess I will try this out later in the week when I get a chance. Thx.
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Post by gy6girl on Feb 24, 2013 23:23:15 GMT -5
I had this same thing just the other day.
I tried WD-40, a plumbers torch, you name it.
Had to pull out the impact wrench. It took that nut off there no problem.
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Post by beachbum on Feb 25, 2013 0:41:30 GMT -5
I have an impact wrench, but still could not get the nut off until I heated it.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 25, 2013 5:53:59 GMT -5
Ok,....THAT gives me a little hope then. LOL Cause I wrapped on that s.o.b. for quite some time yesterday with the impact, and nadda. I will try again today with some heat =o)
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Post by The_Magician on Feb 25, 2013 15:27:29 GMT -5
You need more heat than a heat gun will put out. You need to use a torch and get the nut hot QUICK and immediately loosen it. Try to get the nut cherry red when you do this.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 25, 2013 20:30:25 GMT -5
Gotcha. Yeah, my 1000w heat gun didn't do squat to it. *sigh* I even tried heat "cycles" to see if that would work, but it only ended up heating everything up evenly. ARGH.
I have a butane torch adapter, I just need more butane. I'll get that first-thing tomorrow. Thanks!
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Post by ericrockstar on Feb 25, 2013 20:49:52 GMT -5
My crappy electric impact wouldn't do it. Had to bust out the air impact. Came right off.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 26, 2013 6:00:46 GMT -5
Sadly, I don't have an air compressor system. Just one of those things I've put off buying for too long. However I will go pick up a little Bernzomatic tank of butane for my torch and try that this afternoon *fingers crossed*
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Post by godlesscommie on Feb 26, 2013 7:11:16 GMT -5
Please think twice before putting a torch on a shaft nut.
I mean an exhaust stud would be OK, but this is for the clutch shaft and bell.
It would pay off to ride the bike to a shop, put an air impact on it and then reinstall the nut with just enough force to take you back to wherever you are planning on working on your bike.
Heating a shaft, and letting it cool in an uncontrolled environment will take away its hardness.
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Post by godlesscommie on Feb 26, 2013 7:12:56 GMT -5
Or, if you have a 12 Volt impact, clamp the leads on battery terminals on a running car. 14+ is better than 12 any day.
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Post by The_Magician on Feb 26, 2013 14:41:44 GMT -5
You will not damage anything if you heat the NUT correctly. You are not wanting to get the SHAFT glowing red as godless is implying. It will get no hotter than normal operating temperatures when done the RIGHT way.
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Post by beachbum on Feb 26, 2013 18:30:46 GMT -5
Any luck yet??
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 26, 2013 20:52:53 GMT -5
None as of yet. Little too cold out in the garage to wanna do anything. I will try tomorrow right after work. But I DID get a Bernzomatic tank, awaiting to put some heat to the clutch nut.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 27, 2013 17:39:37 GMT -5
Un-friggin-believable.
Applied a torch to it for a few minutes, hit it with the impact, and STILL it won't budge. WTH?!?!?! Why would someone apply so much torque to this thing. And it's a 2011, so it's not like it's corroded to hell and back. ARGH! Guess I will have to try a more-pneumatic solution. In the meantime, I will leave the drivetrain cover off, and soak it throughout the night, and see if that helps. Not like I'm riding anywhere in this steady rainfall anyway.
Thank you for the tips so far, everyone. I'm sure I'll get this thing licked soon enough.
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Post by ericrockstar on Feb 27, 2013 18:10:52 GMT -5
Are you using an actual electric impact wrench or one of those impact driver things, that you put a socket adaptor on? Most drivers aren't gonna have the kind of torque you need.
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Post by beachbum on Feb 27, 2013 18:12:32 GMT -5
If you can trailer it over to mechanics garage i.e., gas station, and have them use theirs to get that thing off.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 27, 2013 18:23:27 GMT -5
Are you using an actual electric impact wrench or one of those impact driver things, that you put a socket adaptor on? Most drivers aren't gonna have the kind of torque you need. Yea, using a DeWalt 18v 1/4" impact with a 3/8" drive attachment and 17mm socket. Guess I'll see about taking it to a local shop to have them hit it with an impact. Or, I've a friend down the road that has one I'm sure he'll let me use for a second. Thx  |
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Post by edfr on Feb 27, 2013 18:35:26 GMT -5
That is your problem the BATTERY impact wrenchs do not put out enough to loosen much of anything. If you want an Electric Impact wrench get one that plugs into a wall socket. They crank out 240psi and is more than enough to get just about anything off. They have a good one at HARBOR FRIEGHT for $50.00 bucks it is called CHICAGO(blows the nuts right off). ;D  Lefty |
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 27, 2013 20:43:22 GMT -5
I'm shocked to hear someone say "Chicago Tools" and "Good in the same sentence.
But,...my back's against the wall here soooooo,..... lol
I'll have to give that a try then. We have a harbor freight here in Columbus, thx.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 27, 2013 20:51:47 GMT -5
Ok, based on Harbor Freight's site, the $49.99 1/2" impact has more than twice the torque as what I'm trying to apply to it, so I guess I might go ahead and get myself one of them.
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Post by dyoung1167 on Feb 27, 2013 23:07:47 GMT -5
i suggest what others have already. use someone elses to loosen it because your dewalt is plenty good to reinstall and there after remove. factory tends to way over tighten initially, so it would be a waste of money unless you really foresee future use.
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Post by medman1952 on Feb 28, 2013 2:18:19 GMT -5
a quarter inch impact is not big enough, that 1/2 inch should take care of it and pick up some impact sockets as well, regular sockets are not strong enough to use with an impact wrench.
1/4 impact drivers are more for driving screws into wood than working on a vehicle of any kind.
I picked up the Harbor Freight impact and it works well.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 28, 2013 5:41:10 GMT -5
Oh yea, I definitely foresee using it on future projects. I have 3 other motorcycles, as well as work on our cars, so it would more than come in handy. In fact, I found a guy selling a Dewalt 1/2" impact 110v for $70 (regularly $300+) and has 325ft-lbs of torque. AND he's right here in town, so it saves a drive to H.F. =o)
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 28, 2013 21:19:13 GMT -5
I GOT IT!!!!
Whew! Got the clutchbell off....FINALLY! I went to a guy locally and bought that DeWalt 110v impact, and it took 2 seconds, and voila!
Now time for some modifying to the bell and get some better ventilation/grip ;D
Weekend to-do list, here I come!!
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Post by beachbum on Feb 28, 2013 21:22:33 GMT -5
Right on...good tools make life more simple, huh?
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Feb 28, 2013 22:11:05 GMT -5
Incredibly! It was your guys' tips that directed me towards a nice impact that I loooong needed
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Post by gy6girl on Feb 28, 2013 23:41:29 GMT -5
Yay!! Congratulations.
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Post by someoneinnc on Mar 1, 2013 9:10:08 GMT -5
i have a chicago tools thunder gun clone impact.. 775lb/ft and its the best 60 bucks i ever spent... has lasted 6 year sin my shop....
ANYWAY,,,, heat just the nut, not the shaft.....
metalurgicly speaking, that will cause the shaft to anneal, or soften and remove the heatr treat and temper, that is important because that changes the property of the steel and weakens it, removes essential carbon and such.... there heat treated and precision ground... so dont get the shaft any hotter than nessessary//
heat the nut then try, if it dont let it cool before re heating it/// so the heat soak into the shaft dont get too high...
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