north carolina moped law proposals hb 48

[gearhead460]

i'm here from moped army and listing the new moped laws being proposed to happen. the bill is in the house now it hb 48. it proposes that tag title insurance and inspection be placed on true 50cc mopeds. negating the need of the individuals from the cheap transportation that they should be. i'm dirt poor, unemployed for the last two years living on handouts because of bad governing. and it happening again. if your a citizen of n.c.. then band together and stop this horrid bill from coming to be

[doomsday]

I have no problems with this bill if they are wanting just tags insurance and the inspection thing, eh, probably doesn't need to be there though.. the scooter is sharing the road with everything else. It should be insured in case of accident. You still have cheap transportation here. tags are usually only a few bucks a year. There are bigger things I would like to see them work on when it comes to scooters, but this doesn't seem that bad to me.

[doomsday]

For any ones viewing, here is the bill they are talking about


GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NORTH CAROLINA
SESSION 2013
H D
HOUSE DRH70021-MH-18 (01/11)
Short Title: Operation of Mopeds. (Public)
Sponsors: Representative Shepard.
Referred to:
*DRH70021-MH-18*
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED 1
AN ACT TO REQUIRE MOPEDS TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE DIVISION OF 2 MOTOR VEHICLES AND TO HAVE IN FULL FORCE AND EFFECT A POLICY OF 3 FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. 4
The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts: 5
SECTION 1. G.S. 20-10.1 reads as rewritten: 6
"§ 20-10.1. Mopeds. 7
(a) General Provisions. – It shall be unlawful for any person who is under the age of 8 1617 years and has not completed the graduated drivers license process to operate a moped as 9 defined in G.S. 105-164.3 moped upon any highway or public vehicular area of this State. 10
(b) Passengers. – It shall be unlawful to have any passengers on a moped. 11
(c) Registration. – Mopeds shall be registered with the Division. The owner shall pay 12 the same fees and be issued the same type of registration card and plate issued for a motorcycle. 13 In order to be registered with the Division and operated upon a highway or public vehicular 14 area, a moped must meet the following requirements: 15
(1) The moped has a manufacturer's certificate of origin. 16
(2) The moped was designed and manufactured for use on public highways. 17
(d) Financial Responsibility. – It shall be unlawful to operate a moped on a public street 18 or highway or public vehicular area without having in full force and effect financial 19 responsibility as required by the provisions of Articles 9A and 13 of this Chapter. The Division 20 shall treat a moped the same as any other motor vehicle for the purposes of compliance with 21 Articles 9A and 13 of this Chapter." 22
SECTION 2.(a) G.S. 20-51(9) is repealed. 23
SECTION 2.(b) G.S. 20-76 is amended by adding a new subsection to read: 24
"(c) Whenever the applicant for the registration of a moped is unable to present a 25 manufacturer's certificate of origin for the moped, the applicant must submit an affidavit stating 26 why the applicant does not have the manufacturer's certificate of origin and attesting that the 27 applicant is entitled to the registration. Upon receipt of the application and accompanying 28 affidavit, the Division shall issue the applicant the registration card and plate. The Division 29 may not require the applicant to post a bond as required under subsection (b) of this section. A 30 person damaged by issuance of the registration card does not have a right of action against the 31 Division." 32
SECTION 3. G.S. 20-183.2(a1) and (b) read as rewritten: 33
"(a1) Safety Inspection Exceptions. – The following vehicles shall not be subject to a 34 safety inspection pursuant to this Article: 35
H.B. 48
Jan 31, 2013
HOUSE PRINCIPAL CLERK
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(1) Historic vehicles, as defined in G.S. 20-79.4(b)(63). 1
(2) Buses titled to a local board of education and subject to the school bus 2 inspection requirements specified by the State Board of Education and 3 G.S. 115C-248. 4
(3) Mopeds. 5
(b) Emissions. – A motor vehicle is subject to an emissions inspection in accordance 6 with this Part if it meets all of the following requirements: 7
… 8
(2) It is not a trailer whose gross weight is less than 4,000 pounds, a house 9 trailer, or a motorcycle.a motorcycle, or a moped." 10
SECTION 4. G.S. 20-140.4 reads as rewritten: 11
"§ 20-140.4. Special provisions for motorcycles and mopeds. 12
(a) No person shall operate a motorcycle or moped upon a highway or public vehicular 13 area: 14
(1) When the number of persons upon such motorcycle or moped,motorcycle, 15 including the operator, shall exceed the number of persons which it was 16 designed to carry. It is unlawful for the operator of a moped to carry 17 passengers, as provided under G.S. 20-10.1. 18
(2) Unless the operator and all passengers thereon wear on their heads, with a 19 retention strap properly secured, safety helmets of a type that complies with 20 Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) 218. 21
(b) Violation of any provision of this section shall not be considered negligence per se 22 or contributory negligence per se in any civil action. 23
(c) Any person convicted of violating this section shall have committed an infraction 24 and shall pay a penalty of twenty-five dollars and fifty cents ($25.50) plus the following court 25 costs: the General Court of Justice fee provided for in G.S. 7A-304(a)(4), the telephone 26 facilities fee provided for in G.S. 7A-304(a)(2a), and the law enforcement training and 27 certification fee provided for in G.S. 7A-304(a)(3b). Conviction of an infraction under this 28 section has no other consequence. 29
(d) No drivers license points or insurance surcharge shall be assessed on account of 30 violation of this section." 31
SECTION 5.(a) G.S. 58-36-3 reads as rewritten: 32
"§ 58-36-3. Limitation of scope; motorcycle and moped endorsements allowed; 33 Department of Insurance report. 34
(a) The Bureau has no jurisdiction over: 35
(1) Excess workers' compensation insurance for employers qualifying as 36 self-insurers as provided in Article 47 of this Chapter or Article 5 of Chapter 37 97 of the General Statutes. 38
(2) Farm buildings, farm dwellings, and their appurtenant structures; farm 39 personal property or other coverages written in connection with farm real or 40 personal property. 41
(3) Travel or camper trailers designed to be pulled by private passenger motor 42 vehicles, unless insured under policies covering nonfleet private passenger 43 motor vehicles. 44
(4) Mechanical breakdown insurance covering nonfleet private passenger motor 45 vehicles and other incidental coverages written in connection with this 46 insurance, including emergency road service assistance, trip interruption 47 reimbursement, rental car reimbursement, and tire coverage. 48
(5) Residential real and personal property insured in multiple line insurance 49 policies covering business activities as the primary insurable interest; and 50 marine, general liability, burglary and theft, glass, and animal collision 51
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insurance, except when such coverages are written as an integral part of a 1 multiple line insurance policy for which there is an indivisible premium. 2
(6) Insurance against theft of or physical damage to motorcycles, as defined in 3 G.S. 20-4.01(27)d. 4
(7) Personal excess liability or personal "umbrella" insurance. 5
(8) Liability insurance and theft or physical damage insurance on mopeds as 6 defined in G.S. 105-164.3. 7
(b) Member companies writing motorcycle liability insurance under this Article and 8 writing insurance against theft of or physical damage to motorcycles under Article 40 of this 9 Chapter may incorporate motorcycle theft and physical damage coverage as an endorsement to 10 the liability policy issued under this Article. Member companies writing moped liability or theft 11 and physical damage insurance under Article 40 of this Chapter may incorporate such 12 insurance as an endorsement to liability and physical damage policies issued under this Article. 13
(c) Beginning on February 1, 2003, and annually thereafter, the Department of 14 Insurance shall report to the President Pro Tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House 15 of Representatives on the effectiveness of S.L. 2001-389 in assuring the provision of insurance 16 coverage to motorcyclists at fair and economical rates." 17
SECTION 5.(b) G.S. 58-37-1(6) reads as rewritten: 18
"§ 58-37-1. Definitions. 19
As used in this Article: 20
… 21
(6) "Motor vehicle" means every self-propelled vehicle that is designed for use 22 upon a highway, including trailers and semitrailers designed for use with 23 such vehicles (except traction engines, road rollers, farm tractors, tractor 24 cranes, power shovels, and well drillers). "Motor vehicle" also means a 25 motorcycle, as defined in G.S. 20-4.01(27)d. The term does not mean a 26 moped as defined in G.S. 105-164.3. Notwithstanding any other provisions 27 of this Article, liability insurance on a moped is not eligible for cession to 28 the Facility. 29
…." 30
SECTION 5.(c) G.S. 58-40-10 reads as rewritten: 31
"§ 58-40-10. Other definitions. 32
As used in this Article and in Articles 36 and 37 of this Chapter: 33
(1) "Private passenger motor vehicle" means: 34
a. A motor vehicle of the private passenger or station wagon type that is 35 owned or hired under a long-term contract by the policy named 36 insured and that is neither used as a public or livery conveyance for 37 passengers nor rented to others without a driver; or 38
b. A motor vehicle that is a pickup truck or van that is owned by an 39 individual or by husband and wife or individuals who are residents of 40 the same household if it: 41
1. Has a gross vehicle weight as specified by the manufacturer 42 of less than 10,000 pounds; and 43
2. Is not used for the delivery or transportation of goods or 44 materials unless such use is (i) incidental to the insured's 45 business of installing, maintaining, or repairing furnishings or 46 equipment, or (ii) for farming or ranching. 47
Such vehicles owned by a family farm copartnership or a family farm 48 corporation shall be considered owned by an individual for the 49 purposes of this section; or 50
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c. A motorcycle, motorized scooter or other similar motorized vehicle 1 not used for commercial purposes. A moped as defined in 2 G.S. 105-164.3 is not considered a motorcycle, motorized scooter, or 3 other similar motorized vehicle. 4
(2) "Nonfleet" motor vehicle means a motor vehicle not eligible for 5 classification as a fleet vehicle for the reason that the motor vehicle is one of 6 four or fewer motor vehicles hired under a long-term contract or owned by 7 the insured named in the policy." 8
SECTION 5.(d) G.S. 58-40-15(9) reads as rewritten: 9
"§ 58-40-15. Scope of application. 10
The provisions of this Article shall apply to all insurance on risks or on operations in this 11 State, except: 12
… 13
(9) For private passenger (nonfleet) motor vehicle liability insurance, 14 automobile medical payments insurance, uninsured motorists' coverage and 15 other insurance coverages written in connection with the sale of such 16 liability insurance; except this Article applies to motor vehicle liability 17 insurance, automobile medical payments insurance, uninsured motorists' 18 coverage, and theft of or physical damage insurance on mopeds as defined in 19 G.S. 105-164.3. 20
…." 21
SECTION 6. This act becomes effective July 1, 2013, and applies to offenses 22 committed on or after that date.

[edfr]

If you use the public roads it should be registered and tagged and have at least liability insurance.
Lefty

[doomsday]

This country really really needs to start embracing scooters more. With the gas prices the way it is and the job situations the way it is, scooters need to become as popular here as they are in taiwan. The problem is how they are restricting them currently. Putting severe speed limits as low as 25mph on them when the average speed limit is around 45mph is just stupid. It is one of the reasons that so many motorists in this country is against scooters in the first place. They need to remove the speed limit on 50cc and under scooters. Personally I think they need to have a special classification on scooters all together. This whole motorcycle endorsement crap for scooters is wrong in my opinion. If a person can ride a bicycle, they can ride a scooter, Twist and go is a wonderful thing. It should already be covered under your standard drivers license. If the government is really concerned about safety (which we know they dont give a crap at all), then at most, they should simply force you to take a safety course before you can purchase a scooter.

If they did these things, I think it would go a long way to making the scooter a much more viable option in the United States.

[edfr]

And you mentioned the problem, the 50ccs CANNOT KEEP UP with the traffic they are to slow and that my friend will cause a lot of accidents. Most roads are 25-45 if your going to travel on roads with the higher speed limits your scoot should be able to do those speed limits. So get something that can do those speed limits I mean that is a no brainer. If not stay on the roads that your scoot is capable of doing the speed limit pretty straight forward I think. And that is for everyones safety the person on the scooter and the people in cars.
Lefty

[inuyasha]

Feb 12, 2013 23:58:25 GMT -5 edfr said:

And you mentioned the problem, the 50ccs CANNOT KEEP UP with the traffic they are to slow and that my friend will cause a lot of accidents. Most roads are 25-45 if your going to travel on roads with the higher speed limits your scoot should be able to do those speed limits. So get something that can do those speed limits I mean that is a no brainer. If not stay on the roads that your scoot is capable of doing the speed limit pretty straight forward I think. And that is for everyones safety the person on the scooter and the people in cars.
Lefty

Hi Lefty
You should amend that statement to read most of the 50 cc scoots with stock 4 stroke engines have trouble keeping up with traffic on most roads and not state that all 50 cc scoots have that problem
It all depends on whether its a 2 stroke engine or 4 stroke
As most of the 2 stroke 50's are more then capable of keeping up with the traffic at those speeds around town and the city
Most stock 4t scoots are woefully inadequate but 2ts are quite a different story
Most can easily run 40 to 50 stock and then theres the ones that excel like my "April" which can easily reach speeds of 60+mph
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

[rockynv]

Unfortunately many restricted 50cc scooters were built with that restriction in mind and do not have frames, wheels or brakes that will handle speeds over 35 mph very safely.

Bikes like the SR 50 show that a 50cc does not of itself need to be slow and can keep up with city and most country road traffic.

Some States such as Florida are taking safety to heart and have turned over licensing for Scooters and Motorcycles to the MSF. Pass the MSF course and they authenticate your certificate of passing the MSF course making you eligable for a Motorcycle License or Endorsement.

Too many families have had their lives ruined by uninsured drivers/riders so something had to be done.

[doomsday]

Feb 13, 2013 13:05:09 GMT -5 rockynv said:

Unfortunately many restricted 50cc scooters were built with that restriction in mind and do not have frames, wheels or brakes that will handle speeds over 35 mph very safely.

Bikes like the SR 50 show that a 50cc does not of itself need to be slow and can keep up with city and most country road traffic.

Some States such as Florida are taking safety to heart and have turned over licensing for Scooters and Motorcycles to the MSF. Pass the MSF course and they authenticate your certificate of passing the MSF course making you eligable for a Motorcycle License or Endorsement.

Too many families have had their lives ruined by uninsured drivers/riders so something had to be done.

You still have to take the written test and eye test here but if you pass those and take the msf course and pass it, they wave the roadtest and you get your motorcycle endorsement. I think that is pretty cool that NC does that.

[gearhead460]

so i guess this group is full of rich employed people that can afford even a car. this is why the moped laws were created the way they are in the first place. i can see some good from a few of the things this would offer. but insurance is one thing that would put to foot the ones that mopeds laws were intended for. when your broke, you do things you might not think of normally, to be able to survive or maybe just keep the things you had. so does this proposal sound that good. i prefer not to have the need to resort to such actions. legislation the creates resourceful thieves, that using the knot that was placed on ones shoulders. just saying... ps... plus by the way this reads the lion share that have posted on this, are not from n.c. and already have to live with such bureaucratic madness.

[edfr]

Some maybe rich some employed some not some retired. But insurance I believe is a must minimum would be liability to cover someone Else's property or injury. If an uninsured person is at fault it will cost you more than insurance for a year and maybe even jail time plus you will be without the transportation because they will impound it.
The other person not at fault then has to go to his/her insurance to cover the costs. Then of course the insurance is going to up their premiums. So all that seems fair to you is that what you are saying?
Lefty

[inuyasha]

Feb 13, 2013 17:35:18 GMT -5 gearhead460 said:

so i guess this group is full of rich employed people that can afford even a car. this is why the moped laws were created the way they are in the first place. i can see some good from a few of the things this would offer. but insurance is one thing that would put to foot the ones that mopeds laws were intended for. when your broke, you do things you might not think of normally, to be able to survive or maybe just keep the things you had. so does this proposal sound that good. i prefer not to have the need to resort to such actions. legislation the creates resourceful thieves, that using the knot that was placed on ones shoulders. just saying... ps... plus by the way this reads the lion share that have posted on this, are not from n.c. and already have to live with such bureaucratic madness.

Hi
I'm From CT where are small scoot laws are extremely simple
No Reg No tag no insurance no restrictions on speed and you only need a normal license for motorbikes with 5 BHP or less
www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&q=430480
And I'm retired and living on a fixed income, not rich by a long shot
But all of my scoots no matter the engine displacement are still registered and insured as IMHO its the responsible thing to do
Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank

[teddy554]

I feel for you and hope it wont pass but it will why because it is more money for the state.

[doomsday]

Feb 13, 2013 17:35:18 GMT -5 gearhead460 said:

so i guess this group is full of rich employed people that can afford even a car. this is why the moped laws were created the way they are in the first place. i can see some good from a few of the things this would offer. but insurance is one thing that would put to foot the ones that mopeds laws were intended for. when your broke, you do things you might not think of normally, to be able to survive or maybe just keep the things you had. so does this proposal sound that good. i prefer not to have the need to resort to such actions. legislation the creates resourceful thieves, that using the knot that was placed on ones shoulders. just saying... ps... plus by the way this reads the lion share that have posted on this, are not from n.c. and already have to live with such bureaucratic madness.

I am from NC, Charlotte in fact. The city that the cops love to harrass scooters because they think every single one of them are DUI suspects. Dont get me wrong, there are some nice officers here as well, but charlotte isnt really known to be "friendly" towards 50cc scooters.

What this law can do that is good is to help reduce thefts of scooters. If they are all registered it is going to make it harder to sell. That is a good thing for everyone. Tags is simply for money, I understand that, the rise of scooters in this state, they want a piece of it. Its cheap enough not to be a big deal though. The insurance though, I agree with also. For less then $100 a year to be covered is pretty cheap. A lot cheaper for those older mopeds to. The thing is, you are sharing the road with every other motor vehicle out there to, you could be the cause of an accident just as much as someone else.

I guarantee if you were on a scooter and someone hit your scooter and destroyed it, you would be demanding them to pay for it. But if you are the one that hits someone else and damage their vehicle, your trying to act like they wouldn't get crap from you because you are already broke. Seriously, thats what I am hearing here. Look, I am absolutely 100% for freedom to the right of travel and think drivers licenses are absolutely stupid and not needed, but I do not mind if each state has its own road rules such as speed limits, tags, insurance. I think those are needed.

[skuttadawg]

My 50 is tagged with full coverage . ^5 ( high five ) Hank +1

[prodigit]

Feb 13, 2013 13:05:09 GMT -5 rockynv said:

Unfortunately many restricted 50cc scooters were built with that restriction in mind and do not have frames, wheels or brakes that will handle speeds over 35 mph very safely.

Bikes like the SR 50 show that a 50cc does not of itself need to be slow and can keep up with city and most country road traffic.

Some States such as Florida are taking safety to heart and have turned over licensing for Scooters and Motorcycles to the MSF. Pass the MSF course and they authenticate your certificate of passing the MSF course making you eligable for a Motorcycle License or Endorsement.

Too many families have had their lives ruined by uninsured drivers/riders so something had to be done.

Know that that's only in the Western world. In the rest of the world, there are no restrictions on 50cc scoots, and they may go as fast as they can.

To the original OP, please don't confuse mopeds with 49c scoots, and 50cc scoots.
50cc scoots are scooters that are larger than 49cc. It could be a 49cc with BBK.

49cc scooters are automatically limited to 30MPH (40MPH in many states, unless you have a motorcycle endorsement).

Mopeds can be 49cc scooters, with pedals, but can also be segways, or any vehicle with either a small displacement <49cc gasoline engine, or an electric motor. These vehicles are limited to 20MPH in most states, and 30MPH in Florida (some other states also allow mopeds to go faster).

So the fact that they are limiting mopeds to 23MPH, may be depending on which state you live in, either good or bad. They either raise the speed limit, or level it to the speed of other states.

Unfortunately North USA is much more into laws, restrictions, and money.
S USA is more lax in it.

[rockynv]

Feb 13, 2013 17:35:18 GMT -5 gearhead460 said:

so i guess this group is full of rich employed people that can afford even a car. this is why the moped laws were created the way they are in the first place. i can see some good from a few of the things this would offer. but insurance is one thing that would put to foot the ones that mopeds laws were intended for. when your broke, you do things you might not think of normally, to be able to survive or maybe just keep the things you had. so does this proposal sound that good. i prefer not to have the need to resort to such actions. legislation the creates resourceful thieves, that using the knot that was placed on ones shoulders. just saying... ps... plus by the way this reads the lion share that have posted on this, are not from n.c. and already have to live with such bureaucratic madness.

I was unemployed and crippled with a wife and children so I cut my expenses on non-essentials like cable tv, drinking, smoking and fast food to keep food for the family, insurance, housing and family transportation available. Now that I finally got another job I think twice before even stopping for a seniors cup of coffee. I ride the motor bike that I do now because it will essentially be free being paid for by the gas savings over my old van which I can not afford to replace.

I survived by taking any job that was available regardless of how menial even for a few dollars a week as any dollar I earned offset how fast my unemployment benefits ran out. Planted vegetables in the yard and ate a lot of beans and the cheapest rice available with the occasional reduced for quick sale meats. Did not go on welfare or get food stamps etc either. The wife and kids did not like it but they came out of it with their health and are rarely ill.

For personal transportation then, I called the police about an abandoned bicycle, recorded the serial number and claimed it when the waiting period was over. Didn't even consider motorized transport for myself so I strapped my cane to the bike and peddled everywhere I needed to go. I did not go anywhere unless I absolutely had to for work or to take care of my families needs.

I have been through this twice so I am no stranger to want and hard times. My family roots are in small truck farms and goat herding. No wealth here.

[jarlaxle]

Feb 13, 2013 18:12:58 GMT -5 inuyasha said:

Feb 13, 2013 17:35:18 GMT -5 gearhead460 said:

so i guess this group is full of rich employed people that can afford even a car. this is why the moped laws were created the way they are in the first place. i can see some good from a few of the things this would offer. but insurance is one thing that would put to foot the ones that mopeds laws were intended for. when your broke, you do things you might not think of normally, to be able to survive or maybe just keep the things you had. so does this proposal sound that good. i prefer not to have the need to resort to such actions. legislation the creates resourceful thieves, that using the knot that was placed on ones shoulders. just saying... ps... plus by the way this reads the lion share that have posted on this, are not from n.c. and already have to live with such bureaucratic madness.

Hi
I'm From CT where are small scoot laws are extremely simple
No Reg No tag no insurance no restrictions on speed and you only need a normal license for motorbikes with 5 BHP or less
www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&q=430480
And I'm retired and living on a fixed income, not rich by a long shot
But all of my scoots no matter the engine displacement are still registered and insured as IMHO its the responsible thing to do
Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank

My friend tried to tag his Islander 50 in CT and they refused! (Note: he WAS insured.)

[inuyasha]

Feb 16, 2013 18:48:11 GMT -5 jarlaxle said:

Feb 13, 2013 18:12:58 GMT -5 inuyasha said:

Hi
I'm From CT where are small scoot laws are extremely simple
No Reg No tag no insurance no restrictions on speed and you only need a normal license for motorbikes with 5 BHP or less
www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&q=430480
And I'm retired and living on a fixed income, not rich by a long shot
But all of my scoots no matter the engine displacement are still registered and insured as IMHO its the responsible thing to do
Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank

My friend tried to tag his Islander 50 in CT and they refused! (Note: he WAS insured.)

Hi
Did he try to register it as a scoot/motordriven cycle or a motorcycle?
I used the term motorcycle as that whats written on both of my titles and i had no problems getting a registration for them
Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank

[jarlaxle]

Tried both...when they asked for engine size, he told them "50cc" and was told they couldn't register it.

[inuyasha]

Feb 17, 2013 12:02:36 GMT -5 jarlaxle said:

Tried both...when they asked for engine size, he told them "50cc" and was told they couldn't register it.

Hi
Sure its CT hes talking about as we dont go by engine size but BHP of the engine of the scoot in question
www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&q=430480
And my aprilia sr 50 puts out well over 5bhp and so does my redstreak
Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank

[edfr]

So let me get this straight you go into a DMV try to register your scoot, bring in WHAT IS REQUIRED( Title, Bill of Sale, Insurance on it if required, drivers license if required, Or MCO if new etc..) and they tell you, you cannot register it. And of course you just said O-kie Dokey and walked out!!
You did not bother to ask WHY you could not register it or anything to get whatever it was that was NOT UP TO SNUFF straightened out!
Lefty

[jarlaxle]

The only answer he ever got from the drone behind the counter was, "You can't register a 50cc motorbike in this state." He was living in Stonington at the time, I am 100% sure it was CT.

[zumaguy]

Feb 12, 2013 21:06:51 GMT -5 gearhead460 said:

i'm here from moped army and listing the new moped laws being proposed to happen. the bill is in the house now it hb 48. it proposes that tag title insurance and inspection be placed on true 50cc mopeds. negating the need of the individuals from the cheap transportation that they should be. i'm dirt poor, unemployed for the last two years living on handouts because of bad governing. and it happening again. if your a citizen of n.c.. then band together and stop this horrid bill from coming to be

Hi from Fayetteville.

Yeah, I've already contacted the senator via e-mail but I doubt that there's much that we can do.

Its entirely possible that this thing doesn't go through---its failed several times before. But then again who knows.

I don't know if you saw it or not, but several months ago ( I think last summer) there was a special about this on the evening news. An ER doctor decided to make this his personal cause after seeing alot of injured moped guys come into the ER, lol.

Personally I don't care about the insurance and registration so as long as they don't require a drivers license for these things--having to have a license would kill the 49cc industry in this state, know what I mean?

The insurance deal makes sense but I'd rather we stay regulation free, of course.

[zumaguy]

Feb 12, 2013 23:58:25 GMT -5 edfr said:

And you mentioned the problem, the 50ccs CANNOT KEEP UP with the traffic they are to slow and that my friend will cause a lot of accidents. Most roads are 25-45 if your going to travel on roads with the higher speed limits your scoot should be able to do those speed limits. So get something that can do those speed limits I mean that is a no brainer. If not stay on the roads that your scoot is capable of doing the speed limit pretty straight forward I think. And that is for everyones safety the person on the scooter and the people in cars.
Lefty

Not really. Here in NC--where we're not regulated at all (no license, insurance, tags needed)--scooters and mopeds are all over the place and aren't causing "alot of accidents".

And alot of guys can't get anything larger than a 49cc because to do so requires a drivers license, which is sorta the whole point of buying a scooter/moped for most guys in NC--they've lost their license and need transpo (the average guy wouldn't even want a scooter or moped if they had a license---at least not where I'm from).

Sure, there's an occasional crash, sometimes a fatality...but its always the guy on two wheels that gets the short end of the stick.

Riding a 49cc simply requires commonsense, that's all. Me, I ride on the right side of the road (as the law requires), wear a fluorescent orange vest with reflectors, travel those roads/streets with the slowest speed limits and least traffic, and simply pull over and let cars pass whenever a back up looks like its gonna occur. No problem.

As for our safety--that's not really any of your business, ya know? If I wanna ride my 49cc and get killed in the process, lol, that's on me. As for the cagers: Its very, very, very rare that a scoot/moped causes a cager to get killed (In fact, I've personally never heard of it happening in my city however I assume that it does).

peace

[stiv625]

My license was suspended for speeding tickets when I bought my first 50cc scooter new here in Raleigh last year. It is definitely my experience that suspended licenses are the #1 reason to get a 50cc, but mind you it isn't always from a DWI. I was able to get my insurance company that covered my Ninja 500 to add my scooter on even though the state doesn't require liability insurance. After I sold the motorcycle it was just $87/yr for the 50cc!!! I now have my license back but still ride the 50cc occasionally for it's practicality even over my 4-cyl compact car. I think liability insurance should be req'd but having a license and Highway Use Tax / plates on a cheap 50cc doesn't make sense.... there are more traffic issues caused by people riding pedal bicycles than motorized scooters!

[prodigit]

I once saw a cager get killed because of a scootard!
Turns out the lady riding in G-string was more interesting to the man, than the upcoming tree!
Since then, they've banned g-strings on scooters

[stiv625]

hahaha

[rockynv]

Here a DUI or loss of license leaves you on a battery powered DUI scooter (sub 25 mph) or a pedal bicycle and nothing more. The hard nosed approach reduced DUI instances and other moving viloations quite a bit and has made life much better for everyone.

They have a program for repeat offenders that provides accomodations, 3 square meals a day and a supervised out door recreation program along with medical benifits. Transportation is provided if the swamp/exercise area is a too far to walk to. A safety device is employed so nobody gets lost or left behind and there is always plenty of supervision.

Kidding aside the company I worked for in the past used Prison Resource Industries and would send me there to help get things ramped up and I can tell you that having seen where rebelling against being a good citizen leads that my resolve to stay on the straight and narrow has indeed been reinforced.

You don't want to find out from personal experience what happens if you are told to stand on the footprints outlined on the floor and place your hands on the outlines on the wall after loosening your belt.


Bigger problems to deal with in NC if that many people there have lost their licenses due to misconduct. For many this type of attitude leads to a very extremely bad place to be where even a simple thing like walking too fast can get you shot.

BTW: Moped laws were written to address the vehicles popular with those having trouble dealing with the cost of gasoline spiking from 25/28 cents a gallon to a $1.39 a gallon and to set reasonable limits on what would be considered a motor assisted bicycle or a small motorcycle. I was there unemployed riding a 125 mpg 25 mph moped when this all began 40/50 years ago. The Vietnam Vets came home after that and understandably got their jobs back however many employers could not support them and the workers that filled their positions after they were drafted so many were let go though no fault of their own when the vets came back. Rode a moped through the dead of winter in New England those years and did a lot of wood chopping, fence laying, fishing (no rods just hand lines with weights made from scrap copper pipe) along with other odd jobs to make ends meet. Learned some simple things like when to take your shoes and socks off and hang them over your shoulder by the laces so they would not wear out so fast and have holes in them by the winter. I could not afford to buy alchoholic beverages or the gasoline to drive around recklessly enough to loose my license as I was the oldest and had to spend all I had to feed and care for my two kid brothers along with keep them warm in the sub-zero winters. That I had to get an annual sticker to put on my moped was not that big a deal.

[stiv625]

Don't get me wrong I feel where you're coming from and maybe I should clarify... my license got suspended from unpaid speeding tickets. I wasn't super careless or reckless just things added up and got away from me. I deserved it though and it pushed me to take another job while attending school and get the money together to pay them off and have my license reinstated. I appreciate and respect that I haven't had to go through the same hardships as you. I don't know the true meaning of money being tight I guess, it certainly isn't easy but I've seldom if not ever had to worry about where my next meal was coming from and I am truly fortunate for that. I really respect you for persevering and making ends meet no matter what. I'm trying to take valuable perspective from that.

That being said, I really would have a problem with legislation taking away 50cc's from more people who really depend on them. Some people just flat out can't afford any other reasonable means of transit. I couldn't believe how affordable scooters were and wished someone got my started sooner. I understand that people with crappy driving records and DWI and school bus violations and such need to be punished but honestly being limited to 35 MPH seems punishing enough to me

Yay or nay on liability insurance though? I carry it out of purely choice and think for the $7/mo or w/e it works out to you can't go wrong. It's not fair to all the other drivers that you aren't held accountable. There have been some kinda messed up stories on the news about scooter accidents and I feel bad b/c every once in a while it really isn't the cagers fault.