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Post by gmblnmstr on Jan 13, 2013 8:01:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Wang:
Roy: that makes complete sense. With this kit they include fuel lines that you can literally put the current lines inside...as a matter of fact with their instillation basically you cut the old line at the connector leaving part on and then sliding the new over the old and clamping. I was assuming the bigger stronger lines were to keep as much fuel as possible available for the nozzle...also to give enough room to let any vapor bubbles to escape to the return line.
Right now I am getting very excited...lol. And my scoot...I tweaked the carb a little today....again! She is showing me a nice little bit of power...I came drifting out of the parking lot and screaming down the road. If she was a person I would be a little confused...maybe excited because she's getting modded tomorrow...or like kid who has been very very bad and is now acting on her best behavior because she knows she is about to get a punishment.
Tomorrow is technically my day off...but still have a lot to do in the morning. So my plan is to take my scoot to my friends in the morning...he is going to weld the bung for the O2 and put a hole in the fuel tank for the return line. Then we are going to start the install in the afternoon. I even checked the weather for tomorrow a high of 34 and a low of 25...but most important...no snow or rain predicted...lol
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Post by spandi on Jan 13, 2013 9:38:09 GMT -5
Spandi: You wanted to know the company...so I told you...I gave you an english site. I don't want this to sound odd..but I get the feeling you are looking for a nice clean descriptive sellers page with user testimony and comments?? One may exist but I have not found it. It has been my experience that when you find those type of sites you end up paying 3 or 4x's the price. Open the page linked above...click the technology tab...you have two choices FIA system or application (on left side of the page). These will give you the theory and a few schematics. Then you can also click on the tab titled PRODUCT (on the top)...and see pics of the components. It may apply to more configurations..but from what I can tell the kit is directed at three categories; Bent Frame (honda wave types 100, 110), Pedal Car(scooters 125, 150), and straddle (motorcycles 125, 150, 175, 200, 250). ECU and Power Nozzle have two varieties (100-150 and 150-250). There are several options when it comes to "oil and gas separators" oil being what we call gas...and gas being vapors or bubbles. Also what type of carb is being replaced and how it connects to the engine. My kit will be a Pedal car, 150, gy6, vacuum style, with two extra brass T-connectors. I asked if I needed a different CDI..and was told no...they would send me wiring instructions on directing the function of my cdi to the system ecu my. At time of ordering I was a little selfish and only asked questions in regard to my specific configuration, sorry. Now you know as much as I do...good luck. Are you trying to buy one right now??? Let me get the system..by today or tomorrow and I'll take pics and document the process. I might be able to get a bit more information for everyone. My drive is that I wanted to put EFI on my scoot. I basically stumbled onto this system...I do not know if it works. For all I know it could be as useful as slick 50 or the infamous ebay electric turbo. But I had a feeling that the existing systems were just smaller versions of old existing technology. Just making things smaller isn't always the best way...sometimes you need to redesign. When I first began reading posts on small engine EFI kits to me it seemed strange that no one had ditched the fuel pump for something more efficient. Especially since these kits do not need to push the fuel volume of an automotive engine. They looked like a what you would get if you took a four cyl system, quartered it and made it smaller. I am excited...I want this to work. But I also know that I am going to get a lot of help during installation and trouble shooting from the person I bought the kit from. This is my first time doing this so please understand...I'll find out a lot more as I go along...thanks Naah, wasn't looking for a "Nice clean descriptive seller page" either. But to be honest the site was confusing and since you the added (and extraordinary) advantage of people who can speak and read Chinese, it might be helpful to share a little of that expertise with those who could not. (BTW, not looking to buy a unit at this time.) |
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Post by spandi on Jan 13, 2013 9:42:24 GMT -5
P.S. Glad you received your unit, and hope the install goes smoothly. But again, your friends can tell you what the labels (and instructions) mean in English and so guide this (and you) to a successful conclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 10:50:07 GMT -5
Well it sure seems you have a lot more experience than I do in these things, that's a far cry from the plug-and-play system I would need and even those systems usually require a couple of mind-twisting modifications so I certainly wish you the best of luck, I would have to guess that so long everything works out, $175 seems like a fair deal for a TBI system.
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Post by gmblnmstr on Jan 15, 2013 0:58:10 GMT -5
Well...to update...I had to put a hold. My friend said that his welding equipment would not weld the supplied bung to my exhaust....so I am on hold till I get time to find someone that can do that for me. On the positive side I solved how to orient the throttle body and the nozzle so that the idle adjustment was easily accessible. They included a machined piece that two holes were threaded...at first it seemed odd. Then I pulled my head out of my a$$ and realized that they should be like in the pic I took...everything lined up perfectly. One step forward...two steps back...along with the welding problem...all this time I thought my scoot was running a DC CDI...when I realize...it is AC. Which I guess...doesn't hurt things much but I was planning on running it dc so now I have to figure out if I NEED a DC cdi...so my excitement is a little low right now  |
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Post by gmblnmstr on Jan 15, 2013 0:58:53 GMT -5
oops forgot to attach Attachments:
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Post by tvnacman on Jan 15, 2013 6:06:25 GMT -5
I don't know your kit , but Idle speed is set from the ecu same with fast idle . I don't know your system , on your injector housing how many wires . There could be a stepper motor working fine air adjustment then the injector fuel matches . That is how idle speed is set on fuel injection . You need the TP reading zero .
I'm watching this very closely , go to a muffler shop to get the bung welded .
John
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Post by gmblnmstr on Jan 15, 2013 12:24:36 GMT -5
John The pic I snapped shows how it would go together...the power nozzle oriented up and the linkage on the bottom. Really the idle adjustment is suppose to be used on initial setup then like you said the ecu takes over the function. Attachments:
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Post by gmblnmstr on Jan 15, 2013 12:35:06 GMT -5
But by using the adapter with the slightly offset...you are able to turn the Throttle body over as seen in this picture that would make initial setup a lot easier. As is in this pic (not from my scoot..wish it was though...lol). Right now...my scoot is fighting me and running like crap...I want to get it sorted before I proceed on the efi. I've got something going on in the mid range...so once that is fixed...I'll be back on track. Attachments:
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Post by tvnacman on Jan 15, 2013 13:01:30 GMT -5
Lets think out side the box for a moment . Loosen the manifold clamp and twist it 45 or 90 degrees so you can get to the screw/adjustment . Is the o2 sensor connected ?
Did you start with the valves adjusted ? Is your nattery fulley charged ? Whay is the charging voltage at idle , what is it @5k rpm ?
I would be very to talk to you over the phone .
John
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Post by tvnacman on Jan 15, 2013 13:04:46 GMT -5
I looked at the site you got the system from . I don't see the bung listed or a air intake sensor (map) .
John
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Post by wangchicken on Jan 16, 2013 1:43:16 GMT -5
aha ,i see throttle assembly now makes sense, just have a muffler shop weld it typically cost no more than fifteen dollars.
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Post by gmblnmstr on Jan 17, 2013 3:08:12 GMT -5
John:
Working on two things right now...the kit is still in the box and not on the scoot. 1) Like you mentioned...trying to get my scoot running good before I experiment with the kit. Reason: Only fair to do an assessment/evaluation on a good runner instead of trying to figure out if problem after install were preexisting or due to the kit. Where I live the cold weather has been running havoc and my scoot is not performing good. 2) I'm working on translating the installation manual that was shipped. I am only part way through...a lot of chinglish to decipher.
With your questions...there are four sensors...1 Throttle Position (built into TB) 2 O2 sensor (put into exhaust) 3 Air intake sensor ( attached to intake manifold) 4 Engine Temp Sensor (attached to valve cover bolt).
Unlike the ecotron system there is not a sensor that is placed directly into the air flow...like your standard MAF.
Note: To me it would make sense to drill a hole and attach a bolt into the air flow and atttach the sensor to that...since I have a metal intake pipe between the air filter and carb....but all the info says that this system will work with it attached to one of the bolts securing the intake manifold.
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Post by wangchicken on Jan 17, 2013 12:34:06 GMT -5
the ecotrons kit has one sensor in the air stream it is intake air temp/.
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Feb 11, 2013 12:31:13 GMT -5
Bummer, The thread that was continued when we moved to the new and improved format is lost due to back up.
I do want to see more info via gmblnmstr.
The lower cost of the system he is using makes it much more interesting, and closer to the reach of people with lower budgets.
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Post by tvnacman on Feb 11, 2013 12:51:53 GMT -5
I missed it .
John
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Post by ericrockstar on Feb 11, 2013 15:09:27 GMT -5
Noooo!!!! I missed it??? What's the other thread it continues on? I really wanted to see how it worked out for him.
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Post by sharks06lly on Feb 11, 2013 18:29:47 GMT -5
crap i was all excited reading this and now im like NOOOOOOOO!!!! WHERE IS THE HAPPY ENDING
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Feb 14, 2013 13:03:50 GMT -5
I assume this thread and project are not done, as I am highly interested in this EFI system.
The little bits of the thread were lost in the shift over and back to and from the new forum.
I haven't looked to see if gmblnmstr has been posting anything else.
I will keep watching.
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