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Post by dwscoot on Jan 4, 2013 12:15:02 GMT -5
What's your feeling about riding with little ones?
My son loves to hop on back - it's a blast to scoot him around side streets. But I'll admit - it's not quite as safe as his strapped in seat on my bicycle. Helmets are required in CA - that's a no brainer.
I've also heard the law says the passenger has to be able to reach the foot pegs to be legal. Can anyone verify this?
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Post by inuyasha on Jan 4, 2013 12:24:10 GMT -5
Hi
Welcome abaord
Pleased to meet you
Its just me but i dont ride with passenger's of any age tried it once and the thought of some one wriggling around and possibley upsetting my balance is out of the question
How old is the child and how tall?
If the person is so small that they cant reach the foot pegs i would definatelty not put them on the back of a motorbike of any size
I started riding when i was 6 on a rupp mini bike, why not get your son one and teach him how to ride
Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank
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Post by dwscoot on Jan 4, 2013 12:43:03 GMT -5
I've ridden large displacement motorcycles for years and I'd never dream of putting my 3 yr old son on the back of one of those. The funny thing is he could probably reach the footpegs because the passenger pegs are so high. But the scooter's passenger footrests are all the way to the floorboard - so he won't reach for a long while. My 50cc scoot goes just a little faster than a bicycle. I sit my son against the backrest and me and he doesn't move. Just an occasional scoot on side roads - makes his day. I've taken him to the grocery store, which is less than a mile from my house.
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Post by dwscoot on Jan 4, 2013 12:46:24 GMT -5
Oh and I'm very used to riding with a passenger. I've logged thousands of miles on motorcycles with my wife on back. She's ridden with me on the scooter too - but 50cc's doesn't work very well.
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Post by snugglebunny on Jan 4, 2013 12:46:48 GMT -5
as in all things in this life,
you have to live with your decisions,
you might 2 up with him for a long time and nothing ever happen
and he gets the thrills of scootin'
but then again.....................................
your decision, hun
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Post by dwscoot on Jan 4, 2013 12:53:14 GMT -5
Found this on DMV:
Child Passenger Restraint System: Requirements for Children 8 Years of Age or Younger
27360. (a) Except as provided in Section 27363 a parent, legal guardian, or driver shall not transport on a highway in a motor vehicle, as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (3) of Section 27315, a child or ward who is under eight years of age, without properly securing that child in a rear seat in an appropriate child passenger restraint system meeting applicable federal motor vehicle safety standards.
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Post by dwscoot on Jan 4, 2013 12:56:27 GMT -5
Here's the answer from the California Highway Patrol:
A child may ride as a passenger on a motorcycle when he/she is no longer required to be in a child restraint (car seat) and their feet can reach the passenger foot pegs. Failure to obey this could result in citations being issued for violations of 27360 of the California Vehicle Code (Child Passenger Restraint law) and 27800 of the Vehicle Code (Motorcycles - Passengers: Equipment and Usage). Additionally, depending on the circumstances, an officer could cite or arrest the adult for child endangerment.
Just for clarification, the child seat law currently states children shall be secured in a proper child restraint until the age of 6 or 60 pounds.
As of January 1st, that law will be modified to require child restraints be used up to the age of 8 or until a child reaches 4'9" in height.
WOW!!! "arrested for child endangerment" I think I found my answer. No more scooting for my boy for a while.
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Post by inuyasha on Jan 4, 2013 13:03:25 GMT -5
Here's the answer from the California Highway Patrol: A child may ride as a passenger on a motorcycle when he/she is no longer required to be in a child restraint (car seat) and their feet can reach the passenger foot pegs. Failure to obey this could result in citations being issued for violations of 27360 of the California Vehicle Code (Child Passenger Restraint law) and 27800 of the Vehicle Code (Motorcycles - Passengers: Equipment and Usage). Additionally, depending on the circumstances, an officer could cite or arrest the adult for child endangerment. Just for clarification, the child seat law currently states children shall be secured in a proper child restraint until the age of 6 or 60 pounds. As of January 1st, that law will be modified to require child restraints be used up to the age of 8 or until a child reaches 4'9" in height. WOW!!! "arrested for child endangerment" I think I found my answer. No more scooting for my boy for a while.[/quote] Hi A wise decision I'm very relieved Take care and ride safely Yours Hank |
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Post by carasdad on Jan 4, 2013 13:03:53 GMT -5
In most states it is illegal to ride '2 up' on a scooter. Reason being is that the laws were written back in the 70's when 'Mopeds' such as the Puch..Tomos...Solex etc.. only had a single passenger seat. They don't really keep track of laws and update as needed. For example..in Michigan we got rid of the helmet law...so if you are 16 you can ride a 150+ mph crotch rocket with no helmet. BUT!! If you are under 20 riding a scooter or moped at 30mph...you are required to wear a helmet. Not advocating no helmet..or '2 up' on a scooter...just saying they need to look at laws before passing them and make amendments to other laws. Such as '2 up' on a scooter as they are now designed for 2 riders. But I do not suggest a child passenger or inexperienced one..for as I have found even if they are 20+....without experience...it is difficult to carry them as a passenger because when you lean to turn..it never fails..they wanna lean the opposite way. 20+ yo and you'd think they never rode a bicycle where you lean on turns as well..  However I do ride my 3 yo grandson on my scoot up and down our long driveway at 5 mph...he sits on the floor board..and loves it.. |
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Post by yoshidawg on Jan 5, 2013 20:10:16 GMT -5
My brother in law got stopped by the police for riding his 6yr son in FRONT of him, with him hanging on to the handle bar, and no helmet. Really? I took this child out ONE time I don't think he got the point of holding on or that he could be injured, he kept leaning way back and staring up at the sky. If not that, then he was bumping his helmet into my back. I got scared and returned home quickly. Never agian. I'd heard that the father had to finally sell the thing because the kid wouldn't stop harrasing him to go for a ride, but like I said, he just didn't get it.
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Post by njyuriy on Jan 15, 2013 15:32:38 GMT -5
I put my kid (7) in front of me, and we go for a little ride around development (1 mile circle, no traffic, 25 speed limit). He loves it! He has his own helmet, and jacket, and gloves. My dad used to ride with me like that on a streetbike ( I was kinda sitting on the tank in front of him :-)) on the back roads, never on a highway until I was 8, than I was on a back all the time. And from 14 I was riding on a dirt roads, great practice for any kind of rider!
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Post by amac1680 on Jan 15, 2013 15:56:11 GMT -5
I don't ride two-up, personal choice.
That being said I see no problem and respect others personal choice to do so.
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Post by prodigit on Jan 15, 2013 18:07:36 GMT -5
I'd not be too fond of riding with anyone who's not at least 12 or 13 years of age, and who can clearly understand the dangers of falling off a bike.
That being said, there are trunks that give some bit of a back support, and some even have armrests.
Though I don't know if arm rests are a good idea if the bike ever falls, and the kid is stuck between the trunk, and armrests.
In such case it might do more damage than good.
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Post by skuttadawg on Jan 16, 2013 0:16:08 GMT -5
One day my ex wife could not find her keys so I had to get my 9 year old daughter from school . Well she has only ridden a bicycle with training wheels so I was concerned about her being to handle balancing but I am such a veteran I had had many first time riders on board and know what to look out for . A passenger not leaning with you can make it awkward to go in the curves and if an adult even lead to a mishap . She was nervous at first since hewr very first time and she is very girly and a sweet heart . Luckily I had a child helmet on hand as no way would I with out it . After less than a mile she said " Woohoo , go faster daddy " and I was on my 2T 50cc that was mostly stock at the time . My Jonway Magnum has metal folding pegs which is better for passengers than the edge of the floorboard . She had ridden a few more times with me only on secondary roads around my neighborhood as I would never ride with her on a fast highway as I do not trust cagers and I rode way more consersative than when I ride solo.
I would NEVER had a child ride upfront as that is asking for trouble not to mention legalities . a girl in my neighborhood had a scooter . I am guessing she was 13 . She would ride around the block slowly WITHOUT a helmet which concerned me for her safety . I saw her with her little brother who only had on a diaper not even shoes and I had to run and have a long talk with her parents over it . I told them I and not a rat but I am sure someone else would have reported it to the police out of concerns for her baby brother .
I first had my daughter on and I held up the scooter and leaned it over a few times prior to riding to show her how it felt to lean and that she would not fall off as many first time passengers get nervous
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Post by rockynv on Jan 17, 2013 5:27:35 GMT -5
Most of the laws still work as written as scooters are classified by the Federal DOT upon import with the 125cc and up being classified as Highway MotorCycles regardless of what the vendor or we call them so legally a states motorcycle laws and regulations apply to them.
As for riding with a child as a passenger those regulations have been in effect for some years and as dwscoot found out a simple phone call to the DMV can clear up what the regulation is in your community. You may also want to check with your insurance carrier to see if there are any other limitations based on your policy.
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However I do ride my 3 yo grandson on my scoot up and down our long driveway at 5 mph...he sits on the floor board..and loves it..
