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Post by fastsob on Nov 27, 2012 22:02:15 GMT -5
50cc Taotao scooter for sale. Like new. 107 Kilometers. Mostly ridden around our neighborhood. Asking $650 Attachments:
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Post by prodigit on Nov 27, 2012 23:22:21 GMT -5
It might be a good idea to let us know in which area the scooter is, since your profile does not say it.
Also a bit more background on the scoot, and why you're selling it would be nice to know!
And a dumb, but important question, do you have the papers?
I'd buy it in a nick, but not for that price. My new tao costed me $499.
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Post by skuttadawg on Nov 27, 2012 23:23:15 GMT -5
Mine was cheaper too and a 63cc
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Post by fastsob on Nov 28, 2012 8:07:04 GMT -5
Sorry for the lack of details. I'm located in Raleigh, NC. I bought the scooter from a family member who fell on hard times. He had bought it new and it had 30 kilometers on it when I became the proud owner. The remaining miles have been put on it riding my young kids around our neighborhood. I know it sounds cliché, but it is basically brand new. The only sign of wear is the slight discoloration on the muffler that I believe is normal with any use. The reason I am selling it is simply in hopes of getting a little cash for Christmas. I'm certainly no scooter enthusiast. I walk around it in my garage every day and ride it very little. The only "papers" I have is the bill of sale from when I bought it. As far as the price- I don't want to give it away, but it is certainly negotiable.
Thanks for you guys’ time. I would be glad to provide any additional needed info.
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Post by prodigit on Nov 30, 2012 19:47:34 GMT -5
Without title, no one is going to want to buy it.
You'll have to sell it with title, or the scoot is worth only scrap money. (used for replacement parts, which is like ~$100-125 at best)
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Post by scootnwinn on Nov 30, 2012 20:49:01 GMT -5
He's right he is actually right
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Post by fastsob on Dec 2, 2012 16:02:23 GMT -5
In NC, there is no licese, registration or insurance required for a scooter 50cc or less. My understanding is that because of this no title was ever issued. I can't apply for a duplicate because on was never issued or needed.
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Post by prodigit on Dec 7, 2012 3:30:49 GMT -5
You always have a title for any machine that has a VIN number, or needs a tag.
In FL, you only need to register it, and get a tag for it. No need for a drivers license or insurance, but you do need a tag, unless it has pedals and goes below 30MPH.
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Post by lovemy2strokes on Dec 7, 2012 9:39:04 GMT -5
You definitely dont always have a title with any vehicle purchase. Vast majority of imported vehicles have a MCO ( manufacturers certificate of origin) that can be used to obtain a title in your state permitted you fall with in your states guidelines. I have seen many brand new scooters from the dealer not having titles also. Ive bought a few new bikes ha.
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Post by waterboysh on Dec 7, 2012 9:44:11 GMT -5
You definitely dont always have a title with any vehicle purchase. Vast majority of imported vehicles have a MCO ( manufacturers certificate of origin) that can be used to obtain a title in your state permitted you fall with in your states guidelines. I have seen many brand new scooters from the dealer not having titles also. Ive bought a few new bikes ha. Right, but the point is you can get the title using the MCO. I just bought a new scooter from a dealer and it didn't have the title either. However, they obtained a title by using the MCO and once it came in they gave it to me. |
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Post by stiv625 on Dec 7, 2012 12:07:50 GMT -5
most of the 50cc scooters in NC don't have titles. the State doesn't care about registration, insurance, license, etc so most the dealers here don't bother with anything other than a Bill of Sale. I guess technically you could take the bill of sale and apply for a title but who cares... some of my cars don't even have titles.
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Post by snugglebunny on Dec 7, 2012 12:30:27 GMT -5
after reading a ton of posts
how people are NOT satisfied with a 50cc,
the stories of almost getting creamed,
because they dont have the power to get out of the way
and if you want to do any thing like the legal speed, you have to add a BBK
theres no way i would be interested in a 50--unless i lived in a state that has DUI 50's, and i had a DUI, which wont EVER happen.
i have to say thanks but naw
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Post by inuyasha on Dec 7, 2012 12:38:17 GMT -5
after reading a ton of posts how people are NOT satisfied with a 50cc, the stories of almost getting creamed, because they dont have the power to get out of the way and if you want to do any thing like the legal speed, you have to add a BBK theres no way i would be interested in a 50--unless i lived in a state that has DUI 50's, and i had a DUI, which wont EVER happen. i have to say thanks but naw Hi You just need to get a quality 2t 50cc as my "April" has enough performance to rival 4t 150s with a topend of well over 50mph without any modifications I have no problems keeping up with traffic and if i decide to modify her the performance will just get even better A 2t 50 with a 90cc bbk can easily exceed 70mph Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank |
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Post by snugglebunny on Dec 7, 2012 12:43:45 GMT -5
after reading a ton of posts how people are NOT satisfied with a 50cc, the stories of almost getting creamed, because they dont have the power to get out of the way and if you want to do any thing like the legal speed, you have to add a BBK theres no way i would be interested in a 50--unless i lived in a state that has DUI 50's, and i had a DUI, which wont EVER happen. i have to say thanks but naw Hi You just need to get a quality 2t 50cc as my "April" has enough performance to rival 4t 150s with a topend of well over 50mph without any modifications I have no problems keeping up with traffic and if i decide to modify her the performance will just get even better A 2t 50 with a 90cc bbk can easily exceed 70mph Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank well that is true as heck, i was thinking it, but didnt type it lol but then again you have one of best scooters, in the world. not caring about size, going. and eourpeans love 2t's Super quick acceleration, and can hold it for well, awhile. his is a tao-tao not a Apirlia |
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Post by prodigit on Dec 7, 2012 16:31:57 GMT -5
The top end of the 4 strokes is quite good, though the acceleration pretty much sucks.
If you are a lightweight person (I'm 170LBS, so if you're lighter than me), and tune the rollers, a 50cc can pretty much perform normal in traffic.
Especially the ATM50, because it's a smaller than usual scooter (thus lighter in weight, faster in acceleration).
If it where upto me, I wished Tao would make this ATM50 even smaller (like 15-20% smaller in length), get rid of the passenger's seat, making it a very tiny 1 person scooter, that will still allow a 6'5" person to be able to drive it (They're currently made for 2 small people or one large person).
That way the price will go down even more, weight goes down, and acceleration goes up.
But hey, the ATM50 is not that bad, compared to all other scooters out there.
Stock, I'd say, it beats most of it's competition in acceleration and speed, largely due to being so small!
But I do agree with you, that the minimum you need is an 80-100cc to have both the speed and acceleration you need to drive in most environments.
I guess for that reason a 50cc is good for people with DUI, because the scooter is just not fast enough to keep up with traffic, and cause real accidents.
A 2 stroke is circumventing the law. Eventhough they are 49cc's, in order to drive a scooter without drivers license in many states, the scooter needs to have a lower than (I believe) 3BHP power curve, and drive no faster than 30MPH (40MPH in Florida).
20MPH for mopeds (30MPH in Florida).
2 strokes have something like a 5BHP power curve, but most cops don't know or really care about this...
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Post by carasdad on Dec 13, 2012 14:00:57 GMT -5
In Michigan...no title is issued or needed as it is not considered a registered motor vehicle. To sell one all you need is a bill of sale with the VIN numbers on it(one reason so many get stolen in this state) One nice thing about the TaoTao ATM50 is that they sure keep my shop busy with repairs...in fact..any of the TaoTao models  |
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Post by inuyasha on Dec 13, 2012 14:51:25 GMT -5
The top end of the 4 strokes is quite good, though the acceleration pretty much sucks. If you are a lightweight person (I'm 170LBS, so if you're lighter than me), and tune the rollers, a 50cc can pretty much perform normal in traffic. Especially the ATM50, because it's a smaller than usual scooter (thus lighter in weight, faster in acceleration). If it where upto me, I wished Tao would make this ATM50 even smaller (like 15-20% smaller in length), get rid of the passenger's seat, making it a very tiny 1 person scooter, that will still allow a 6'5" person to be able to drive it (They're currently made for 2 small people or one large person). That way the price will go down even more, weight goes down, and acceleration goes up. But hey, the ATM50 is not that bad, compared to all other scooters out there. Stock, I'd say, it beats most of it's competition in acceleration and speed, largely due to being so small! But I do agree with you, that the minimum you need is an 80-100cc to have both the speed and acceleration you need to drive in most environments. I guess for that reason a 50cc is good for people with DUI, because the scooter is just not fast enough to keep up with traffic, and cause real accidents. A 2 stroke is circumventing the law. Eventhough they are 49cc's, in order to drive a scooter without drivers license in many states, the scooter needs to have a lower than (I believe) 3BHP power curve, and drive no faster than 30MPH (40MPH in Florida).
20MPH for mopeds (30MPH in Florida).
2 strokes have something like a 5BHP power curve, but most cops don't know or really care about this...[/quote] Hi Not in my state and im sure theres other states with the same policy that would consider them legal as well www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&q=430480Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank |
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Post by prodigit on Dec 13, 2012 21:52:02 GMT -5
I know that proving BHP is very difficult, and isn't done by police officers.
And many officers don't know the law concerning this, thus never bother to chase scootards with a 2stroke; but I did read the 3BHP limit for 50cc scooters, and 40MPH speed limit in some states, and in many countries.
For as long as there are not a lot of accidents happening, I'm sure no one is going to give a damn, if your scoot has more than 3BHP.
The moment a lot of issues start happening with these bikes, a lot of officers will look deeper into the laws.
even if in your state there's no such law, it's very common if there is a law like this in other states or countries, that it will be adopted somewhere in the future.
All it takes is enough problems for this law to get voted through.
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Post by inuyasha on Dec 13, 2012 22:00:40 GMT -5
I know that proving BHP is very difficult, and isn't done by police officers. And many officers don't know the law concerning this, thus never bother to chase scootards with a 2stroke; but I did read the 3BHP limit for 50cc scooters, and 40MPH speed limit in some states, and in many countries. For as long as there are not a lot of accidents happening, I'm sure no one is going to give a damn, if your scoot has more than 3BHP. The moment a lot of issues start happening with these bikes, a lot of officers will look deeper into the laws. even if in your state there's no such law, it's very common if there is a law like this in other states or countries, that it will be adopted somewhere in the future. All it takes is enough problems for this law to get voted through. Hi Our laws regarding scooters here in ct where much as the other states until 2008 They then determined that the low speeds were detrimental to the safety of the operator and changed the laws to allow them more BHP to make it safer for those on small 50 cc scoots to keep up with the traffic flow I doubt we will ever go back to the old laws and i hope more states follow our example Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank |
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Post by prodigit on Dec 14, 2012 1:07:32 GMT -5
It would be nice for once that the law helps out people, instead of being in the way.
The only reason why I say about the BHP, is because Belgium has adopted that law many years ago. They did it, because school kids would start buying 2 strokes, that not only would go higher than the speed limit, but they where capable of getting drunk (and killed) on scooters with 2 people (instead of only one).
Belgium has had many laws looked at in much finer detail, and a lot of the traffic regulations established there, have been adopted over here in the US.
The problem isn't when you're having an endorsement license. The issue is when you don't have one.
If you have a motorcycle endorsement license, you can drive 70MPH, on a 10BHP turbo supercharged 50cc 2 stroke, and no one will give a d*
When you don't have a license, you're not supposed to have a lot of power, because you supposedly have not yet 'learned to control it', or you learned but lost privileges, because of abuse (DUY or something else).
In those cases, too much power is not wise; however 4 to 5BHP should be a nice power curve IMHO for anyone driving without a license. Just as long as the speed is limited, the extra power should allow better acceleration.
3BHP is just too low for normal acceleration beyond 20MPH in these times of more fast paced traffic.
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