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Post by kjmitchell85 on May 18, 2012 18:10:45 GMT -5
Anyone know what could cause a starter to spin the wrong direction?it was working fine and now it's not
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Post by qwertydude on May 18, 2012 20:14:56 GMT -5
How do you know it's spinning in the wrong direction? Have you opened up the CVT and verified it's spinning incorrectly?
Or is it just not extending and catching the gear teeth? If it's not extending the two main culprits are a bad battery or poor battery contacts and usually the number one culprit is a dirty sticking bendix. The bendix can be cleaned the lazy way, soak it in a cup of gasoline overnight then spray some grease in the mechanism to lube it up, make sure to wipe any excess grease off it as you don't want it flinging onto the belt.
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Post by kjmitchell85 on May 18, 2012 21:32:15 GMT -5
How do you know it's spinning in the wrong direction? Have you opened up the CVT and verified it's spinning incorrectly? Or is it just not extending and catching the gear teeth? If it's not extending the two main culprits are a bad battery or poor battery contacts and usually the number one culprit is a dirty sticking bendix. The bendix can be cleaned the lazy way, soak it in a cup of gasoline overnight then spray some grease in the mechanism to lube it up, make sure to wipe any excess grease off it as you don't want it flinging onto the belt. yes i opened the cvt and it was going the wrong direction.the battery is new and so is the bendix.the only thing i can think of is possibly a wire crossed somewhere because i've also not been able to use my start button
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Post by Scooter Boy on May 18, 2012 22:59:59 GMT -5
If it is spinning the wrong direction you have the battery hooked up backwards. The starter is a DC motor and to reverse the direction you reverse battery polarity
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Post by wile on May 18, 2012 23:50:03 GMT -5
Yep, hooked up battery wrong, RED WIRE GOES TO THE + TERMINAL and the BLACK WIRE GOES TO THE - TERMINAL. You also better check your FUSE on the RED WIRE, HOPE IT BLEW otherwise you might have blown other parts on the scoot. Wile
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Post by kjmitchell85 on May 19, 2012 0:59:25 GMT -5
the battery is hooked up correctly.the guy that had it before me wrecked it and had some of the cdi wires wrong and possibly the killswitch could any of these things cause this or a bad ground?
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Post by D-cat on May 19, 2012 9:00:29 GMT -5
Actually I have read of this before where the start motor armature had simply worn down to the point where the primary power pull started reversing. I still don't understand how it is possible without some obvious transition but it apparently does happen.
Take the starter off and test it in hand (negative ground). If it goes in reverse (cl) while holding it, then you need a new starter. If it goes the right direction (ccl), then start looking for FUBAR wiring.
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Post by kjmitchell85 on May 19, 2012 14:57:23 GMT -5
i tried a different starter and it does the same thing.Any other suggestions?
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Post by wile on May 19, 2012 15:06:20 GMT -5
How about some pictures of the Wires going to the Starter From the Solenoid and wire on the starter. Wile
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Post by kjmitchell85 on May 19, 2012 21:17:07 GMT -5
i'll get some pics tomorrow.does anyone have any type of diagram for the killwitch wiring,that's the only thing i know isn't right the wires were severed and plugged back in after it was wrecked and i'm sure they are wrong
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Post by mainepeace on May 20, 2012 18:00:13 GMT -5
Wire the starter motor DIRECTLY to the battery. If it spins in the proper direction you know there is something wrong in the wiring.
TYPICALLY the starter motor has a direct wire to the (+) battery terminal and is grounded to the engine case. There is a solenoid wired in there to the kill switch and starter. If those wires were backwards it still would not cause the starter to spin backwards as none of that controls the flow of electricity through the solenoid.
Greg
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Post by D-cat on May 20, 2012 20:02:30 GMT -5
2 starters same symptom? Check the battery polarity.
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Post by kjmitchell85 on May 20, 2012 20:19:03 GMT -5
i figured out the killswitch and tried both starters with a different battery grounded off of the scooter and still it goes the wrong way so i'm guessing its the starters
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Post by wile on May 20, 2012 20:28:51 GMT -5
Ok, which way is the little gear on the starter spinning WHEN LOOKING AT THE STARTER FROM the BACK of the starter? Wile
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Post by kjmitchell85 on May 20, 2012 22:37:41 GMT -5
it's going to the left or counter clockwise if i look at it from the back or to the right if i look at it from the cvt side
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Post by nhaven on May 22, 2012 11:27:35 GMT -5
it's going to the left or counter clockwise if i look at it from the back or to the right if i look at it from the cvt side I think your starter is spinning in the right/proper direction.
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Post by kjmitchell85 on May 22, 2012 13:20:37 GMT -5
it's turning wrong because if i reverse polarity it will start.Does anyone know if peace scooters are supposed to have a 2 wire starter because it has an extra plug thats empty and i was thinking maybe the previous owner put the wrong one on it
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Post by D-cat on May 22, 2012 14:27:22 GMT -5
The bendix is a counter-gear so it is supposed to turn the same direction as the engine (ccl looking straight on from the CVT side).
When I say check the battery polarity, I don't just mean visually make sure the black is on - and red is on +, I mean take a multimeter to the battery and make sure + really is positive. I have a hard time with the idea that two starters in a row would be backwards.
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Post by kjmitchell85 on May 28, 2012 18:20:03 GMT -5
i got looking at the other starter and noticed it looks like a 2t starter would that make any difference?
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Post by uberscootin on May 30, 2012 0:17:25 GMT -5
my jalon 50cc 4t is doing the same thing, bike starts fine with kick but hit the electric start and it just spins it dont even try to engage, wires are all intact one wire into starter, if viewing from cvt or left side of scoot the starter spins to the Right or cw this spins the bendix to the Left or ccw the bendix wont spin out to engage the starter gear in this direction i replaced the bendix and took starter apart and cleaned and greased cleaned armature contacts, brushes are fat and worn evenly i even tried using another battery and putting pos to the one starter wire and ground to engine and i got same results, its freakin strange
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Post by rlljr103082 on Mar 1, 2013 9:19:16 GMT -5
I had the same problem, thought it was bad after I cleaned it. Well I found the answer on 1 site last night, which worked for me. When I put the starter back together I had the case upside down, so i took the 2 screws out that hold the starter together, then turn the case around which flips the magnets inside around. Wahlaa, polarity reversed due to the case being be up or down, would of never thought it.
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