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Post by blacktopbob on May 2, 2012 8:09:46 GMT -5
You have to look really close to see it, but the hole for the bolt is the same diameter as the head of bolt.The motor will pop out of the frame and ruin you and the scooter. Attachments:
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Post by blacktopbob on May 2, 2012 8:11:19 GMT -5
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Post by blacktopbob on May 2, 2012 8:12:16 GMT -5
made to fail Attachments:
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Post by blacktopbob on May 2, 2012 8:14:37 GMT -5
The nut for the bolt may be welded on crooked.Stripping the threads as too. Attachments:
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Post by gitsum on May 2, 2012 11:13:28 GMT -5
I don't think I have to ask if this is a Chinese made scooter... I just wouldn't trust my life on a two wheel vehicle that may very well have a catastrophic failure of a critical suspension or braking component due to poor assembly or low quality materials. Anyone buying a Chinese made scooter better know how to go over everything with a fine tooth comb. This still doesn't safeguard you from a failure due to cheap metals being used which may not be readily visible  I realize not everyone wants to spend $3000-$5000 for a scooter, and a $900 internet deal on a Chinese made 150 seems tempting... But Kymco makes the Agility 125 that retails for $1899, and the Lance Cali Classic is made by Sym for $1995. Double the money of a Chinese cheapo, but they will last way more than twice as long. They will require very little in the way of repairs, if you keep up on the basic maintenance. It doesn't matter that Kymco and Sym have their cheaper models made on mainland China, they are not the same thing, not even close! So if money is an issue, why not save for a little longer and invest twice the money which will give you more than twice the return in the long run. That's saving money to me  Not to mention there is always the options for a used quality scooter. A year and half ago I bought a used 2007 Yamaha C3 in pristine condition with 750 miles on the clock for a $1000. It gets 115 mpg, is water cooled, fuel injected and absolutely bulletproof. For $500 I bought a 2007 Sym DD50 with 1400 miles that wasn't running very well. I invested a little money into it and for about $750 ended up with a 47mph little two stroke that was a blast to ride. I know a lot of people here have bought a Chinese scooter and it has worked out well for them. Congratulations. I'm not saying that all Chinese scooters are total junk. But I am saying that I would not risk riding one, and even the better made Chinese scooters are not as good as Taiwanese or Japanese, they just don't compare. That being said, almost all of the posts here are like this one, a newer or lower mileage Chinese made scooter with a mechanical issue Chinese manufacturers don't have to answer to any safety issues. They do not have to worry about any liability period. Why should they spend more money to make something safe or reliable, when all they have to do is slap a cheap price on it and it sells? The rest of the world is being cheap and greedy and enabling the Chinese to make money  If people in general were more educated and moral, there wouldn't be any Chinese scooter market  |
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Post by toxictom on May 2, 2012 13:40:26 GMT -5
The Lifan 125 I bought had badly worn motor mount bushings. The previous owner had replaced the metric bolt with an SAE bolt that was slightly smaller. That little teeny slop in the bushing coupled with engine vibration wore them out real quick.
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Post by ltdhpp on May 2, 2012 17:33:52 GMT -5
How many of the mounts did you find like that? What type of scooter is it?
Did it feel like the back end was going to fall off going down the road???
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Post by psychedelicode on Aug 7, 2012 8:59:53 GMT -5
Jeez I thought the welds on my Jonway were bad.....
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Post by scootcauseihaveto on Aug 22, 2012 23:51:47 GMT -5
Yes please tell me what brand this was
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Post by jwalz1 on Aug 23, 2012 13:58:52 GMT -5
Gitsum,
I agree with some of the points you are trying to make. It is sometimes mistaken for looking down on people who buy the Chinese scoots and that is not my intent because I shopped and almost bought one myself, but the fear of small headaches to major dangerous failures I went the other way.
The other thing that does not get mentioned is that the deal you see for the chinese scoot is the price you pay and with the Kymco or Sym, you see the suggested retail. I bought one of the more expensive Kymcos, but my dealer knocked $1,000 off the price. Sometimes the difference in cost is not as much as people think.
In the end, I bought the Taiwan brand becuase I thought it would see a fair amount of highway speed and maybe a few weekend trips at some point. Although if I was only going to ride it around town I can not honestly say if I would have just bought the cheapest 150 I could find or paid a couple grand on a Super 8 150. I REALLY like the looks of the Super 8.
I really love the Honda PCX 150 too, but $4k for a 150 is spendy. But it would not be that much if Honda did not make such damn awesome product.
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