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Post by thatonekidera on Oct 9, 2007 20:48:39 GMT -5
Success!! We put some fuel directly into the carburator and it started right up. We adjusted the brakes and I took it for a test ride in the parking lot of the school I teach at. We then had to adjust the idle as it was taking off with out turning the throttle. A little bit of an adjustment and it runs great! I took it around the block and got it up to about 40mph (i'm sure it could do a lot more, but I wasn't too comfortable) here are a couple of pics... this is me in the parking lot... and my mechanic friend giving it a test run... and one more...
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Post by hillbilly on Oct 9, 2007 21:07:00 GMT -5
:)Glad to hear you are up and running.
Since it sounds like you are planning on doing a hard break-in don't forget to change the oil in the engine and gearbox soon.
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Post by thatonekidera on Oct 9, 2007 21:22:08 GMT -5
:)Glad to hear you are up and running. Since it sounds like you are planning on doing a hard break-in don't forget to change the oil in the engine and gearbox soon. word. thanks for the reminder. what type of oil do you suggest? synthetic? 10w-40w?
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Post by hillbilly on Oct 9, 2007 21:33:42 GMT -5
Stick with using conventional oil until it has around 1000 miles on it at least. Synthetic oil will prevent the engine from breaking-in properly. I plan to switch to synthetic on this scoot then.
15-40 oil is what they call for. It works well in air cooled engines since the tolerances are a little looser on them.
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Post by swampsniper on Oct 9, 2007 21:35:01 GMT -5
:)Glad to hear you are up and running. Since it sounds like you are planning on doing a hard break-in don't forget to change the oil in the engine and gearbox soon. word. thanks for the reminder. what type of oil do you suggest? synthetic? 10w-40w? Good 10-40 will do, get some miles racked up before switching to synthetic.
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Post by wireburn on Oct 11, 2007 13:25:21 GMT -5
That "Don't use synthetic oil for break-in" thing is a myth. Do what you want, though. You won't hurt anything either way.
-Mike
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Post by guyruss on Oct 11, 2007 23:33:58 GMT -5
wait awhile before switching to synthetic, and when you do it should also help your engine run cooler, which is good on a little air-cooled engine. First remember that oil forms a cushion between all those moving parts that move past each other this helps cut down on friction. A descent 10-40w is good on a single 4-strock engine. Second keep replacing the oil at least 200 miles after first change because the oil retards the engine corrosion, that is all the water and acid that is present in the engine, and turns black, the engine needs clean fresh oil to do the job properly. Third, you don't want to use the expensive stuff untill your engine is properly seated (cushioned), and brock in. Wait at least 700-1000mls then switch to synthetic oil. everybody is right and wrong about the use of synthetic oils. From what I have been taught (meaning through gov test) there doesnt seem to be much of a difference (however) just like I said earlier the use of synthetic oil performs better than regular mineral oils while performing in a hotter climate, or little hard running engines by keeping them cooler. With all this said, im personaly switching over any time after 600mls or so. I hope this makes sense, and I didn't bore you, just felt I should help out if I can, and I like your scoot, and I really hope you prove that a cheaper price scoot can last a long time, and save you money.
Scoota-Rollin-Friend Russ
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Post by hillbilly on Oct 12, 2007 14:53:30 GMT -5
I took out the fuel sending unit today to see why the gas gauge would not work. It turned out that the sender was installed wrong. It was mounted so that the float arm was pointing at the side wall of the tank so that it could not rise. Rotating it got the gauge working. The float arm as installed. The arm should move upward and to the left in this picture but it would be blocked by the tank wall. Scoot currently has 323 miles so I also removed the plug for a peek. Looks ok so far. After I pick up my Granddaughter from school I may try to take a peek at the CVT belt.
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Post by thatonekidera on Oct 12, 2007 19:01:56 GMT -5
Nice Pictures! Looks like you've gotten the whole camera thing figured out.
How much oil should the scooter take and how do I check the level?
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Post by swampsniper on Oct 12, 2007 19:17:06 GMT -5
Just ride it, another 4 or 5 thousand miles, and we can discuss it, then!
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Post by thatonekidera on Oct 12, 2007 19:36:49 GMT -5
I'm doing an initial change and taking out the oil the scooter was shipped with, as suggested by all on this board. I figured it out. thanks.
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Post by hillbilly on Oct 12, 2007 21:07:00 GMT -5
Nice Pictures! Looks like you've gotten the whole camera thing figured out. Thanks. I can't really claim to have things figured out but I am having fun playing with the camera and learning. Have you had a chance to get your scoot broken in yet? Does everything seem to work properly on it now? Since you said this is your first scoot one other thing that you might want to try is adding a little reflective tape to your helmet or jacket if you ride much in the dark. It makes a huge difference in your visibility to others.
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Post by stickler64 on Oct 13, 2007 20:18:03 GMT -5
There's a guy on totalruckus boards thats got 2300 kms on his chinese no name big ruckus clone. (Sometimes called the rugged 150) Nothing but oil changes so far. I'm interested in getting one and was so happy to hear that it's been running well.
Good luck Hillbilly and thatonekidera
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Post by gary2gs on Oct 15, 2007 22:28:46 GMT -5
Hey there Hillbilly, I know you've been watching some of my postings. I thank ya.
But how's that cheap scoot of yours' doing?
Gary
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Post by hillbilly on Oct 16, 2007 9:05:48 GMT -5
Hey there Hillbilly, I know you've been watching some of my postings. I thank ya. But how's that cheap scoot of yours' doing? Gary I've had to slow down my usual activities for the last couple of days taking care of my 6 yr old granddaughter with the measles. Turns out her mother was never exposed as a child and so we thought it would be better to have her stay here. I've ridden a few short errands around town on the scoot but mileage is only up to 392 so I just haven't gotten to use it much. I did notice a squeak that had started happening when the scoot was going over bumps. Turned out to be that since the centerstand and kickstart levers align with each other when the stand is up that they are rubbing together. I'll dig up a little rubber washer or something and glue it to the centerstands stop under the scooter to lower it just a little when raised so that it no longer makes contact with the kickstarter. I have also picked up a little top end now that it has a little more use on it and am seeing about 55 or so on the speedo. gps previously showed the speedo a touch slow so it should be doing at least the indicated speed. Once my granddaughter gets better I am planning on celebrating with a ride to the lake or somewhere.
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Post by julio on Oct 16, 2007 14:51:25 GMT -5
Your scooter is made by the same people that made my wife's roadrunner classic. Ours came with the alarm and remote starter and mirror signal lights. Other than that it looks the same. Take pictures of the belt brand and I will tell you if its the same (its in chinese but has a picture of a lion or dragon). Sadly for some people around I dont thing you are going to have a lot of problems with it. Check the center stand bolts for tightening (or all of them). I lost one of the exhaust bolts. Good luck and keep posting pictures.
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Post by hillbilly on Oct 18, 2007 22:11:27 GMT -5
The low beam on the headlight went out on the scoot this evening. I was able to ride home on high beam but have since removed the bulb and dropped it so now both filaments are broken. I think vibration is hard on our cheap bulbs. When I get a replacement headlamp tomorrow I will install it with a soft rubber ring where the bulb seats into the headlamp housing to see if that helps any. I couldn't use anything too thick or the headlamp connector would not have pushed in far enough to turn and lock into place. This photo shows the ring I'll use.
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Post by scottfla on Oct 22, 2007 11:57:00 GMT -5
Excellent write up and most of the pictures came out
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Post by earlwb on Oct 23, 2007 14:51:53 GMT -5
I surmise that the bulbs are at the bottom for quality control, so you have the luck of the draw as to getting a good one or not. Next is fingerprints or oil residue (from the fumes of the new plastic headlight shells and lenses). Like on the movie or overhead projector bulbs, you need to not touch the glass. So when one first gets their scooter, they should carefully clean the bulbs with acetone and a clean cloth before they fire up the scooter and lights. I had one bulb let go too, and it had a great burned in fingerprint on it, from the factory assembly person.
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Post by mortar235 on Oct 23, 2007 19:20:58 GMT -5
I surmise that the bulbs are at the bottom for quality control, so you have the luck of the draw as to getting a good one or not. Next is fingerprints or oil residue (from the fumes of the new plastic headlight shells and lenses). Like on the movie or overhead projector bulbs, you need to not touch the glass. So when one first gets their scooter, they should carefully clean the bulbs with acetone and a clean cloth before they fire up the scooter and lights. I had one bulb let go too, and it had a great burned in fingerprint on it, from the factory assembly person. yea i suppose considering how fast they have to work and how much they get paid to install the headlights we can't complain too much
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Post by keith4scoot on Nov 1, 2007 15:47:33 GMT -5
Any news hillbilly? I think I have the exact same scoot (except I have a factory alarm). It was sold to me as a 50cc, but the carb and filter assembly are apparently the 150cc ones. It was going 50mph, but now it is cutting back if I try to go over 40mph. I found that the air filter had a big hole down the side, so I think I ran dirt through it for the first 1800 miles. I've been cleaning the carb out on a regular basis to get it to run like it used to. I've had a bunch of other issues... It now has 2200 hours. Very fun to drive, but not dependable.
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Post by hillbilly on Nov 4, 2007 21:37:21 GMT -5
Any news hillbilly? I think I have the exact same scoot (except I have a factory alarm). It was sold to me as a 50cc, but the carb and filter assembly are apparently the 150cc ones. It was going 50mph, but now it is cutting back if I try to go over 40mph. I found that the air filter had a big hole down the side, so I think I ran dirt through it for the first 1800 miles. I've been cleaning the carb out on a regular basis to get it to run like it used to. I've had a bunch of other issues... It now has 2200 hours. Very fun to drive, but not dependable. If you want to see what size your engine is you can look on the left side at the bottom for either a number 139 or 157 followed by three letters. The 139 is a 50cc and the 157 is a 150cc. If you haven't adjusted your valves yet they may be in need of attention and might be causing some of the performance loss. Quite a few scoots use this same body and some are from better makers than the one I have. As for news on this scoot, there has not been a lot to report lately. An annoying squeak developed due to interference between the kickstarter and the centerstand arm when riding. I took a hand grinder to the edge of the centerstand and got a little clearance since they were just barely touching. Had a job doing some work on a resort down by Branson the past few days and took the scoot with me on a trailer hoping to use it for errands and rack up some mileage on it in the good weather we've been having. Ended up just using it for a couple of trips to the convenience store and being too tired to joyride so the scoot still only has a little over 600 miles. I've been kind of surprised that I haven't drained the battery yet running the alarm system. I have been leaving it with the alarm on even when it is parked at home because I was curious how long the scoot could keep enough electricity for the starter. I've had the scoot sit for 3 days without being ridden and most of the mileage put on it has been short trips so at some point the battery is bound to need a charge I'd think. If it didn't have a kickstarter I'd worry about it more but as it is I think I'll just run it until it won't start so I'll have an idea what a good recharge interval would be. So basically the scoot seems to have survived through break-in and is running a little smoother and faster than it used to but needs some more miles on it.
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Post by keith4scoot on Nov 4, 2007 22:55:34 GMT -5
Thanks a lot hillbilly. I would call my problem more of an outright refusal to run at higher rpms... It runs just as great as it always has if I don't twist the trottle more than about 2/3 of the way. It runs great up to 30mph. If I push it beyond that, there is an almost violent cut back in power. Very jerky. It just refuses to go to higher rpms without cutting back. I've ruled out inlet restriction (ran it without the filter, it had the same problem). I was thinking that the high end running of the carburator needs adjustment because it just doesn't seem to be getting the fuel it wants when you push it. Does that sound more like a valve adjustment problem? It has 2200miles on it. I've been searching trough here for a thread that talks about the carb adjustment screws.
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Post by keith4scoot on Nov 4, 2007 23:12:41 GMT -5
My engine stamping says: 1P54QMJ 07ED3329
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Post by keith4scoot on Nov 4, 2007 23:13:52 GMT -5
I wish I could type... engine is 1P57QMJ 07ED3329. So I think that means it is a 150cc...
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Post by hillbilly on Nov 4, 2007 23:15:45 GMT -5
Keith, it sounds like it could possibly be coil breakdown at higher rpm also from those symptoms.
The gas flow at higher rpm is controlled by the size of the main jet and the position of the cv slide in the carburetor. The main jet is probably ok or it would not have the power it still does. You might have a hole or tear in the rubber boot at the top of the cv slide.
Have you checked to make sure you don't have any air leaks at the intake manifold?
The valves can definitely cause the loss of power you are having also. Have they ever been adjusted yet? At 2200 miles they are overdue.
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Post by hillbilly on Nov 4, 2007 23:18:39 GMT -5
I wish I could type... engine is 1P57QMJ 07ED3329. So I think that means it is a 150cc... Yeah you got a 150 and it should be able to do the 50mph or so like it was without straining.
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Post by keith4scoot on Nov 4, 2007 23:22:43 GMT -5
I have not had the valves adjusted. Is the something a scooter neophite of medium mechanical ability can handle? Are then any threads in here with instructions on doing it? I've purchased a new carb, but I haven't tried it yet. I'll check the intake for leaks too.
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Post by hillbilly on Nov 4, 2007 23:30:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I bet you could adjust your valves if you wanted to. The main things you would need to get that you don't probably have are just a couple of feeler gauges to set the gap with. Get a .004 and a .005 gauge and set both valves to a clearance of .004. I'm not good at linking to things but I hope this will take you to the thread you need. Check out the BEST OF SCOOTDAWG near the bottom of the home page for lots of cool stuff. scootdawg.proboards59.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=1180465496A couple more pictures over at Swampsniper's that are really nice.
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Post by swampsniper on Nov 4, 2007 23:53:09 GMT -5
I only swipe the best pics on the net! ;D It beats taking my scooter apart, LOL
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