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Post by reaper on Sept 3, 2011 19:20:58 GMT -5
hi i just bought a 2003 geely i have the vin but dont know what model it is. im also am having problems getting it started the guy started it when i got it but now its only wants to start with starting fluid any suggestions what could be wrong with it  |
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Post by keetarider on Sept 3, 2011 19:30:47 GMT -5
If it's a 4T, it's probably a valve adjustment. After that running or not, a full PDI will probably go a long way towards putting it back in shape. www.x1scooters.com/pdi.html |
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Post by Pony66 on Sept 3, 2011 19:37:34 GMT -5
Before you tear the engine apart, check the kill switch right by the throttle. The next step would be to test for fuel and spark.
Spark test: pull out the spark plug, put the cap on, ground it to the ENGINE. crank and watch for little blue spark.
Fuel test: pull the vacume hose off the intake manifold(black plastic elbow from carb to engine) squirt a little starter fluid in there. Crank and if it runs for a second, its fuel related.
Try the kill switch and then the two tests and post results.
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Post by keetarider on Sept 3, 2011 19:46:51 GMT -5
All relevant points, but adjusting the valves is certainly not tearing the engine apart.
Unless the kill switch is off, or we're not holding a brake handle in, when cranking, it probably isn't either spark or fuel. He had it running.
That's not saying a full go through isn't warranted here. It most certainly is, and the reason for the PDI.
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Post by Pony66 on Sept 3, 2011 20:11:42 GMT -5
All relevant points, but adjusting the valves is certainly not tearing the engine apart. Unless the kill switch is off, or we're not holding a brake handle in, when cranking, it probably isn't either spark or fuel. He had it running. That's not saying a full go through isn't warranted here. It most certainly is, and the reason for the PDI. Your certainly correct and the PDI is needed. Reaper@ How are you starting it with starting fluid? Do you have the airbox off? Dont turn the throttle because it automatically gives extra fuel at startup and is prone to flood. Is the vacume hose still connected to the intake manifold and gas tank petcock? The kill switch being off has made me look stupid more than once  thats why I always ask |
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Post by keetarider on Sept 3, 2011 20:28:28 GMT -5
That's the take I got. The guy he bought it from was able to get it started, but now he can only get it to go, with starter fluid.
Now if it would only start off of starter fluid, then would die, I'd say vacuum related fuel delivery. Still leaning hard on the valves here.
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Post by edfr on Sept 3, 2011 20:39:19 GMT -5
If it has a CHOKE(ENRICHER) it may not be working. The guy probably started it before he came over to buy and warmed it up(old trick of the trade..:LOL). Then he he started it up right before his eyes. Then he took it home and shut it off and let it sit for awhile enough to cool off and it is hard to start now.
But yes if it is a 4T the valves should be the FIRST thing to adjust before anything else.
Lefty
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Post by reaper on Sept 3, 2011 21:27:47 GMT -5
i can tell you he didnt have it started before hand. i didnt know it had a kill switch on ill look tomarrow after it stops raining (have it covered) as for how my brother who knows a bit about motors has the hose to the air handler off. im new to mopeds and love this thing tho never had a chance to ride it yet.
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Post by one1 on Sept 4, 2011 1:07:19 GMT -5
If it is a 49/50cc 2003 Geely it is a JL50QT-16. Known as a Geely Fashion. It's a two stroke scooter. You'll see an oil fill for the 2 cycle oil under the seat with a rubber black plug on the fill tube. Google for more info. (there is also a dedicated Yahoo group for Geely scooters). Minus this red box on the back I was test fitting at the local bike shop when I took this pic, this is what one looks like.  My Geely is very stubborn when cold. My issue is believed to be too much 2 cycle oil in the carb first thing in the morning after sitting and getting oil leaked into the carb. I only found this issue by the 2 cycle oil leaking out of the airbox, which was easy to see the blue/green oil coming from the carb inlet once the filter box was off. I was told it was running rich causing this issue. Maybe you have a similar issue, see any 2 cycle oil in there around the carb inlet? I hope they have filled the 2 cycle tank up and not ran it without oil! Gas fill is behind the seat, oil fill is under it. The only other thing I can advise is this post I found in a google search which sounds a lot like my issue: ********************** other than that there is a oil/carb/case problem after winter storage sooner or later the oil valves will get stuck open and fill the carb or case with oil making for hard starting or the extreme, the scooter will not kick over when you stand on the kick starter. the fix is to remove the muffler ,spark plug and crank it over, that will force the excess oil out the plug hole & exhaust port when you get tired of that after a couple of years just disable the oil pump and premix ***************** |
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Post by reaper on Sept 4, 2011 1:31:53 GMT -5
thats what i have i think it needs some work. what is that box on the floorboard? i dont know how to post a pic of it. i realy need brakes on it and geely are hard to find is there any that fit them well??
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Post by one1 on Sept 4, 2011 1:49:28 GMT -5
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Post by reaper on Sept 4, 2011 1:56:17 GMT -5
where i live there hard to find most of the ones here are made in the us. and to one1 is there anything i have to do to start it or is there a kill switch i don't know about
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Post by Pony66 on Sept 4, 2011 9:42:45 GMT -5
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Post by one1 on Sept 4, 2011 11:12:16 GMT -5
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Post by Pony66 on Sept 4, 2011 12:32:53 GMT -5
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Post by reaper on Sept 4, 2011 14:50:09 GMT -5
someone that fixes them in this area told me to look for gy6 as the motor. it is an 03 has around 500 miles
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Post by freedomscoot on Sept 4, 2011 16:31:48 GMT -5
If it starts with starting fluid, then the problem has to be fuel-delivery related.
First thing to do: Pull the fuel line that runs from the gas tank to the carb, and see if fuel comes out.
See if this scooter has a manual fuel shut-off (petcock) in the line or at the tank...it may just be turned off....
You did make sure there is fuel in the tank?
How did you transport the scooter home? If you transported it in a vehicle, it may have gotten jostled...or if it was laid down at all, the float in the carb may have gotten knocked out of place and stuck. Give the carb a few whacks with a rubber mallet or other suitable object to jar it loose.... (I just fixed my neighbors car by doing this!).
Always start with the simple, obvious things first when troubleshooting...and move on to the more complex after the obvious things have been eliminated.
(No offense to Keet...but suspecting valve lash as the first thing when a motor won't start is like suspecting a bad heart when you sneeze!)
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Post by one1 on Sept 4, 2011 16:49:58 GMT -5
That is the one in the 2003 Geely 50cc. Everything listed on that page for the 50cc fits my 'ped. I have seen every part this week in my teardown and cleaning, LOL. *Note this engine has an electric choke when helping this user with his starting issue. The brake shoes he needs are also on that page |
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Post by reaper on Sept 4, 2011 17:18:50 GMT -5
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Post by freedomscoot on Sept 4, 2011 18:18:30 GMT -5
That's a nice-looking scooter, Reaper! You'll be a happy camper when she's fixed up!
I believe that hose that goes nowhere is just the overflow vent for the bowl.
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Post by reaper on Sept 4, 2011 22:05:19 GMT -5
thank you when i first saw it i had second thoughts about buying it spent 200 wondering if it was worth it. looked at the fuel filter theres a bit of debree in it not sure how to take it off, had my brother take the front brake off so i can get it replaced. hope this doesnt take to long to get going.
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Post by one1 on Sept 5, 2011 0:03:24 GMT -5
I was just looking at this video on youtube showing the two different engines (39 & 40) and the 2003 geely 50 is definately the second one (the 40).
Previously I didn't know the model of my engine/tranny. Never really came up.
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Post by Pony66 on Sept 5, 2011 9:46:03 GMT -5
Your engine will have a stamp with the engine code. It may be on the side, top or rear of the engine. You can see my stamp in this pic.  |
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Post by keetarider on Sept 5, 2011 10:50:33 GMT -5
If it starts with starting fluid, then the problem has to be fuel-delivery related. First thing to do: Pull the fuel line that runs from the gas tank to the carb, and see if fuel comes out. See if this scooter has a manual fuel shut-off (petcock) in the line or at the tank...it may just be turned off.... You did make sure there is fuel in the tank? How did you transport the scooter home? If you transported it in a vehicle, it may have gotten jostled...or if it was laid down at all, the float in the carb may have gotten knocked out of place and stuck. Give the carb a few whacks with a rubber mallet or other suitable object to jar it loose.... (I just fixed my neighbors car by doing this!). Always start with the simple, obvious things first when troubleshooting...and move on to the more complex after the obvious things have been eliminated. (No offense to Keet...but suspecting valve lash as the first thing when a motor won't start is like suspecting a bad heart when you sneeze!) None taken. This scoot was missidentified at the time as a 4T. Not suspecting valve lash with the info supplied, is not a sneeze but rather a butt fart. There is a 2T section and this should now be moved there. Of course it can't be valves with a 2T. WTF smells? Oh yeah we have a smoker in here  |
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Post by freedomscoot on Sept 5, 2011 11:36:48 GMT -5
None taken. This scoot was missidentified at the time as a 4T. Not suspecting valve lash with the info supplied, is not a sneeze but rather a butt fart. There is a 2T section and this should now be moved there. Of course it can't be valves with a 2T. WTF smells? Oh yeah we have a smoker in here Now you're getting into my area of expertise- farting! What smells? Uhh...it's the dog! (She's riding a 2-stroke!) |
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Post by one1 on Sept 5, 2011 12:06:27 GMT -5
Of course it can't be valves with a 2T. ...and you remember that while you are adjusting your valves.  |
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Post by Pony66 on Sept 5, 2011 12:58:04 GMT -5
Of course it can't be valves with a 2T. ...and you remember that while you are adjusting your valves. I will give you $1000 to adjust the valves on my 2T, I cant seem to find them. I also ordered some 60mph muffler bearings. |
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Post by one1 on Sept 5, 2011 16:09:56 GMT -5
That's hot. I bet if you had my silicone blue blinker fluid that thing would do wheelies.
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Post by keetarider on Sept 5, 2011 17:44:21 GMT -5
And be sure not to sit on that Johnson rod that comes with your left handed monkey wrench. You'll never get it out, and as far as I can tell, there isn't room for another one in there in the first place. Always nice to have another satisfied costumer  |
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Post by reaper on Sept 6, 2011 14:09:10 GMT -5
got home today and had a chance to take the fuel line off to check for restriction. from the tank to and from filter none but after the filter there is a part that has 3 hoses on it there is no fuel flowing from there any suggestions. ill take a pic later. |
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thats why I always ask
