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Post by JR on Jan 31, 2010 23:10:26 GMT -5
Again I thought that telling members about anything that could be considered wrong, untruthful, inaccurate, or misleading was the right thing to do. I don't see how that could be offensive or anything to fight about either? I've read a lot of the Big Guy's posts, threads, replies and such and I have for sure learned he is a stand up guy who doesn't make a point of any kind without being on the correct side of the issue IMO!
A point that was made hear about being ripped off to credit card fraud is one that a lot of people have had happen to them and myself I was ripped off by an on line dealer myself and the old saying of hind sight is 20/20 for sure is true but if I had know of this forum and stand up people like Rich then I could have possibly avoided being done that way. I'm not in any way saying these guys will or have ripped anyone off but there for sure have been some things pointed out here that for sure don't appear on the up and up and the way I see it Rich just let all know and backed it up with the evidence he presented! So at least now folks if they inquire about this seller they can look and see and make their own decision one way or another about dealing with these people from the information from this thread and others also!
I just don't see how this is fighting. JRR
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Post by rapidjim on Feb 1, 2010 9:07:49 GMT -5
I have read and even commented on this post, I even learned a couple things on how to check information about on line sellers and their credentials, in some cases just images portraying that they have credentials, thanks Rich for the info.
I just renewed my site with IAModules and just for the heck of it took a look at my "credentials" and to my dismay my COMODO SSL isn't displaying the information like it should be. I will be on the phone today to find out just what is going on. Not only do I use IAModules COMODO but also my shopping cart is protected and processed by QuickBooks Merchant Services, which is also my processor for the shop.
In todays world we have to be as careful as we can to protect our financial and personal information form those that want to steal it. Not only businesses but those folks we rely on to make purchases and keep us in business. I have to give Rich credit for not only pointing certain things out but also providing the proof to back up what he says. There are those that just spout off without providing proof and that doesn't help anyone.
I agree with jrr I don't see how this is fighting.
Jim
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Post by kz1000st on Feb 1, 2010 9:36:31 GMT -5
How very calm of you all. Go back and read this thread! Every time someone questioned some God, they were personally insulted. Let me tell you this. Znen scooters have gone on my Harley Davidson list. As in I will never own one. Plenty of other Chinese and Taiwan brands I can buy. Yes, proof was provided, along with statements like "Here smart ass" Sounds like fighting to me.
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Post by loganhes on Feb 1, 2010 10:19:36 GMT -5
I have for the most part refrained from commenting on this subject because while it was a very important topic...there was just too much negativity. Because of this we have lost another important member of this forum in the "BIG GUY". Rich has helped me several times with some carb. issues I was having and it is a shame to see him leave. Before Rich we lost KLIFF because of similar reasons. I have to agree with MEDMAN when he says that he is tempted to deleted this whole posting. It has turned very negative and nothing good will come out of this now. A lot of us need to learn how to be more diplomatic and less offensive while trying to give their point of view. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but this forum is supposed to be fun and helpfull..way too much negativity!!!!!
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Post by kz1000st on Feb 1, 2010 11:19:22 GMT -5
Some of you already know that I am no longer participating in discussions over at the Scoot Dawg website. The reason I am boycotting the Dawg Pound is simple:
Doug, the global moderator there (goes by user name medman1952) has a real ego problem and threatened to ban me on 2 occasions when I was warning users of a bad member... here's the latest story in a nutshell:
Green Earth Scooters (user name themathclub) came into the forum like gangbusters last summer promoting their bottom of the line scooters as top quality. I questioned this from the beginning, since they were selling a similar brand, delivered to your house for less than I pay as a dealer, claiming it was a premium build.
Time goes on and I just sat by and watched as I have done in the past with other sellers that have come and gone. After a user complained that they had illegal charges on their credit card, I decided to go and take a look at the Green Earth website.
Low and behold, they are displaying a BBB seal illegally, a stolen Yahoo 5 star seal, and a false 128 Bit Secure Server seal! This was intentional marketing to deceive their customers into thinking they were something they're not, and illegal use of a secure server seal, duping customers into inputting their information on a non-secure site where it can be hacked!
So in short, I refuse to be a part of ANY website that professes to want to help people, yet refuses to take down ads from unrepeatable companies!
When Doug got involved in the discussion, he chose to attack ME rather than simply remove the ads! He feels like he's the big boss there and no one should tell him what to do! How childish!
For those interested, here's some of the back and forth after I exposed Green Earth:
Here's the drivel his majesty is spreading on his forum. Excuse me but didn't the credit card issue happen after he started his attacks and oh yes, I'll put my Bashan up against any of his Flyscooters any day. He fails to mention that the reason Green Earth sells so cheap is because the scoots are leftover 2008s made by the third largest company in China building over one million engines for motorcycles a year.
From their website:
Chongqing Astronautic Bashan Motorcycle Manufacturing Co. Ltd is mainly a manufacturer of motorcycles, which incorporates research, manufacturing and marketing of motorcycles, ATVs, engines and their parts. Located in Huaxi Industrial Park in Banan District, Chongqing, Bashan Company occupies an area of 100,000 square meters, capable of producing 100,000 ATVs, 600,000 motorcycles and 1,000,000 engines per year.
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Post by medman1952 on Feb 1, 2010 11:50:05 GMT -5
I want one thing perfectly clear here, "Big Guy" Rich, has not been banned. I deleted his last post because it became a personal attack on me.
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Post by 1smf on Feb 1, 2010 12:42:15 GMT -5
Because of this we have lost another important member of this forum in the "BIG GUY".
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Post by loganhes on Feb 1, 2010 13:34:00 GMT -5
and what is your point in quoting me? Because of this we have lost another important member of this forum in the "BIG GUY".
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Post by bashan on Feb 1, 2010 13:50:38 GMT -5
All of this because I was new to the forum and posted what I thought was a one time,no response,critique of a buyer experience.And it was all about a tire.I wished to hell I'd never touched keyboard.I started this piece of dung and I hope it ends it right here.
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Post by gmoney on Feb 1, 2010 14:05:39 GMT -5
If one uses common sense it would seem that Greenearthscooters.com is in fact not and honest dealer. This is based on facts not hearsay . The fair thing to do would be remove the free ad for greenearthscooters.com and leave this post for others to read. Just my 2 cents.
Gary
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Post by bashan on Feb 1, 2010 14:23:52 GMT -5
Well,if they are in fact dubious then maybe it was a good thing.Thanks that makes me feel a little better.It just seems like a couple old friendships were lost in the bargain,never a good thing.
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Post by 1smf on Feb 1, 2010 16:07:18 GMT -5
and what is your point in quoting me? Because of this we have lost another important member of this forum in the "BIG GUY". Doubt he is really that important and doubt he will be gone long. He loves to post. So much so he created his own forum.
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Post by medman1952 on Feb 1, 2010 17:03:57 GMT -5
Earl is the only other moderator that expressed an opinion regarding the thread and the ad. We came up to the conclusion that the thread will be locked and stay and the ad will go.
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