LANCE DUKE SCOOTER WONT START(VIDEO INCLUDED)

[caliscooter2000]

I FIGURED I COULD TELL YOU GUYS MY ISSUE OR JUST SHOW IT TO YOU SO IT RAN FINE THEN IT WAS IN STORAGE FOR THE WINTER. THOUGHT THE BATTERY WAS THE ISSUE SO GOT A CHARGER AND TOOK 7 HOURS BUT CHARGED AND SAID IT WAS FULL AND TRIED TO START IT AND STILL NADA

SO WATCH THE VIDEO AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL WHAT THE ISSUE MIGHT BE FROM THE NOISE ITS MAKING WHEN I TRY TO START IT...THANKS

[jimsahm]

Did you put sta-bil in your gas before storage?

Are you getting a spark at the spark plug ? (take it out, keep it in the rubber boot and ground it to the frame or block... see if you see a little blue spark...)

SOUNDs to me that you are not getting any fuel to the carb and or the carb is gummed up ... float stuck , etc...

These are all just first things to check... Let me know the outcome and we'll see what to try next...

Jim

[caliscooter2000]

OK ILL CHECK ALL THOSE THINGS OUT AND LET YOU KNOW..THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTIONS

[JohnnyC]

Hmmm....

Have you tried shooting a little starter fluid into the carb to see if you can get it to fire up?

I assume that has a kick start on it. Have you tried turning over your kick start a few times?

Keep in mind that I'm no expert or anything, but it just sounds like it isn't firing.

Oh... and check your spark plug too. It might be time for you to get a new one.

That's a nice lookin' scoot, btw.

[caliscooter2000]

THANKS JOHNNY..the dumb thing is that everything was fine till it went to store for the winter and im in cali so it wasn't like it was super freezing. the sparkplug was new cause i replaced it after my pdi but at this point ima try all the suggestions given cause im in withdraws for real-lol

there is no kickstart on it though

[harrywr2]

May 11, 2009 15:22:53 GMT -5 caliscooter2000 said:

d im in cali so it wasn't like it was super freezing.

Freezing will increase condensation(water in the gas) but gas goes bad faster in warm weather.

Drain your carb float bowl(Whatever is in there is probably no longer gasoline) and spray some starting fluid into the air intake as others have said.

[unaggie]

fuel, air, compression, spark - if one is missing, it won't happen. Since air and compression are assumed good, check spark - no spark - figure out why not. Got spark? - check fuel. Float valves are notorious for sticking after setting still. Smack the float bowl a few times with a screw diver handle and it'll probably jar loose. This is more of a problem with gas/oil mix engines but can happen to 4 strokers too.

[wf1761]

After 60 days the gas starts to turn into varnish. It's a good idea to drain the gas tank and the carb. I would think your jets are plugged up from the varnish.

[JohnnyC]

May 11, 2009 16:18:08 GMT -5 wf1761 said:

After 60 days the gas starts to turn into varnish. It's a good idea to drain the gas tank and the carb. I would think your jets are plugged up from the varnish.

Which is one of the reasons I like to run a little seafoam through the gas. Help keep things nice and clean in there.

Of course I also don't let my scoot go for too long without starting it up. I didn't stop riding last season until about November/early December. I started it up and let it warm up a couple of times over the next couple months and then in late February/early March I took it out for my first ride of the new year.

[rherald2]

Hey cali scoot did you try to place the scoot on the center stand and twist the throttle back very little and push the start button sometimes I have to do that. But everything you try keeps us posted surely somebody here will get your riding best of luck.

["Big Guy"]

First off, your fuel gauge reads below empty... is there gas in it? Never use starting fluid! It'll eat up the diaphragm after just a few short sprays - use carb cleaner instead. Charge your battery up, and on the right bottom side of the carb is a drain screw. Open and drain whatever gas is in it, shouldn't be much. Next, on the top right is a breather nipple. Attach a hose and feed some gas directly to the carb if you have the means to. I used to use a turkey baster to suck up some gas.

With a full charge and some fresh gas, try again. Oh, and gas does not go bad after 60 days... I had a generator that I hadn't used since hurricane Katrina, and when Gustov arrived, it kicked right over - 3 years apart. My weed whacker and lawnmower also rest for 4-5 months out of the year with no attention whatsoever and they start right up in the spring.


-Rich

[allworld]

Hello caliscooter2000: I thing the suggestions already posted are a good place to start, in addition, check all the kill switches.
Good luck and keep us posted.

[lancecharming]

I`ll bet you`ve go bad gas/water inside the carb. Flush it out with new premium and you should start. (Unless a plug or CDI or something electrical went bad.) Good luck.

[kczukiman]

Did you check the kill swich?

[rampant]

Take your plug out and clean it spray just a little gas in the cylinder and try to start

[anomoly40]

Do 250's have a fuel pump? Check to see if you have any vaccum leaks, that chinese rubber can go pretty fast. Another member said to spray gas in it to see if it'd start.

Check to see if you're getting spark also.

Good luck man, I know what it feels like to be scootless.

[phaze]

sounded like a game show lol, is that how you get replys lol,

i can see it now giagnose that scoot, the winner gets seafoam for life, winner is responsible for all taxes lol

[yarddogbbq]

shine up that spark plug, use some starting fluid, walmart usually carrys it, spray it in the air intake on the left side of the bike, the two openings pointed a little down, if it starts but wont keep running pull the fuel line off of the carb on the right side of the carb that comes from the fuel filter across the engine probably, and crank till you have fuel coming from the line carefull the fuel will come out pretty good.

another way to make fuel flow without cranking the engine,

i went to the left side of the carb and pulled the vacuum line to the fuel valve and applied a little suction to the line and fuel came out of the fuel line disconnected, very good and very quickly this will also get the bad fuel out of line.

this all applies if your valve gaps are good also. cause you got to have compression to run, but it sounds like your bike is making compression the way the starter is working hard.

dont crank the starter excessively or you can burn it out. give it some time to rest if taking along time to start.

1. the shining the plug,
2. makin sure you purge the fuel line.
3. using starter spray to assist starting should start you up
4. dont twist the throttle to start till you hear it try to run. leave it closed, this controls the air to fuel ratio a little when starting cold. if these bike had a manual cv slide this would work better, when opening the throttle partially open, but vacuum cv slides like on your bike and mine and quite a few linhai, arent making any vacuum much starting and wont lift the power jet needle to supply extra fuel. but they are fuel efficient tho. when engine is hot they can be twisted a little.
5. put some stabil or lucas fuel additive in the tank, but figure how much dont put a whole dose in. (you can run worse if you overdo) a tablespoon or two of stabil shoud do. this might clean your system too. cause alcohol can corrode the internals. of carb etc. dry out rubber, like the diahram of our fuel valve or as some call their fuel pumps also. it can be run all the time and i dont have stock in the company. stabil that is. i like marvel mystery oil also. and am using now. not usually for storage cause i ride and start all winter.


good luck

let us know we (forum) have more ideas to try.

yarddog

if it starts but wont run check your air box for leaks, and air cleaner too. these help fuel to pull into the carb a little. (restriction) we would not need so much restriction if we had mechanical cv slides instead of vacuum operated slide.

check to make sure your cv slide is down, look into the carb and you should not see your power fuel needle hardly at all and the cv slide should be down move it up and let it fall down with your finger or a screwdriver gently. lifting it up it should fall down by itself.

yarddog

[kz1000st]

First, check for spark by pulling the plug and seeing if it's nice and blue and that the plug is clean. Then spray starter fluid in the cylinder. If it runs and dies then there's a fuel delivery problem or vacuum hose issue. If it keeps running then maybe you dislodged crud in the float bowl and got lucky. But it sure sounds "dry" to me. Fuel doesn't seem to be getting through.

[12string]

Make sure to check thelmen bushings and the Johnson pulley
if it won't run right, you may have to take them off and just do without.