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Post by newtothegame on Mar 29, 2009 1:20:30 GMT -5
I was traveling for 3 weeks, and now my Lance Venice won't start. I try the push button start, I try the kick start, I try priming it with the kick start, and then hitting the push button, but nothing works. It just won't turn over. It chugs like it's trying to turn over, but just won't complete turnover. Anyone have any tips to help get it started? I appreciate all help.
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Post by Kaos on Mar 29, 2009 1:29:04 GMT -5
wont turn over means that the engine is not turning when you hit the starter.
I think you mean that it DOES turn over but it will not fire up.
the most overlooked thing is that the kill switch isnt in the kill position so I would verify that first.
The next thing to check is spark......take the spark plug out, put the plug wire on it and touch it to the valve cover and turn the engine over....its best to do this in the dark so you can see the spark (or lack of) easier. If no spark then you have a bad CDI box OR a wiring problem.
If you have spark...the next thing is fuel....is your fuel filter stopped up? a line pinched?
try these things, we will get it going eventually.
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Post by Doug in San Diego on Mar 29, 2009 10:06:02 GMT -5
Hey I have a Venice
Try this
MAke sure the on switch is on , then turn on the key. Dont do anything let it sit for a minute with the light on.
This gives the auto-choke time to warm up. Then try to start it - Don't crank the throttle that would flood it.
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Post by newtothegame on Mar 29, 2009 18:40:14 GMT -5
So I tried putting the key in an letting it sit, that didn't work. Here may be a stupid question, where is the fuse box on this thing. Sorry, but I'm absolutely clueless with these things. If it was a bad fuse would it cause the engine to turn, but not fire? I can not get this thing started! Again, thanks for any and all help.
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Post by xs650 on Mar 29, 2009 18:44:22 GMT -5
So I tried putting the key in an letting it sit, that didn't work. Here may be a stupid question, where is the fuse box on this thing. Sorry, but I'm absolutely clueless with these things. If it was a bad fuse would it cause the engine to turn, but not fire? I can not get this thing started! Again, thanks for any and all help. It it's like my Lance Milan, it's one inline fuse back by the battery.. If it only has one fuse like mine, then the fuse is OK if anything electrical works. If your engine cranks when you hit the starter, then the starter solenoid is getting current, so it's not the fuse on a one fuse system. |
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Post by newtothegame on Mar 29, 2009 19:03:09 GMT -5
So I found the fuse, and that does not seem to be it. Where are the spark plugs? Would the scooter crank, but not fire if there is a sparkplug issue?
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Post by Doug in San Diego on Mar 29, 2009 19:16:01 GMT -5
Sorry.... you need to take off the outer plastic to get at the sparkplug Phillips screwdriver and the allen wrench is all you need. The first time it seems daunting, but I have done it so many times now, that I can do it about 3 minutes. Check your spark plug per the earlier thread. Just to clarify - You push the starter and it just goes NaNanananananananana but never fires at all? Let us know if you are getting spark - I know someone will solve your problem. P.S. Is your wife nagging you saying "Didn't you just buy that??!!!" or is that just mine  |
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Post by newtothegame on Mar 29, 2009 19:21:42 GMT -5
That's awesome. That's definitely what my wife is saying. Before I go takin off the outer plastic, do I need to take off the whole thing, or is there a section of the bike where the plastic needs to be removed. Doug I see your in SD, I'm actually in North County. It better not rain on me while I'm doing this.
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Post by Doug in San Diego on Mar 29, 2009 21:41:22 GMT -5
Yeah I am in Penasquitos
Anyhoo. to get to the Spark plug.... You need to remove
1) Right and left side panels (use the allen wrench to remove only one bolt per side for the back rack - this allows it to pivot out of the way, so you can access the top screw on the side panels)
2) remove the seat (2 nuts and it is off)
3) remove the center plastic (between your legs) it slides over the bracket for the seat)
4) the spark plug is on the right side in a hole
5) put the socket on first, then the ratchet wrench
Im off for two weeks - where are you in North County?
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Post by newtothegame on Mar 29, 2009 23:36:43 GMT -5
Ahhhhhh. I can't get this thing to start, it is driving me crazy. And now I've drained the battery, so now I can't even keep trying. I never did find the spark plugs, and maybe that is the issue. I am going to recharge the battery and if I can not get it started at that point, I guess I'm just going to take it into the mechanic (which I was trying to avoid). I don't get it. It just keeps going Nanananana. I try to kick start it nothing. So frustrating.
Doug, I appreciate the help. I'm actually up in Encinitas. I'll keep everyone updated on how I finally get it started.
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Post by Doug in San Diego on Mar 30, 2009 10:13:22 GMT -5
Mechanic???!!!
Come on dude! We can do it!
I got my buddies 20 year old scooter to start after about 15 minutes work.
The spark plug has a wire going to it, once you get the panels off it is easy to find
THis is not something major. Believe me I am not a huge mechanic. It feels really good to fix a problem yourself.
I am totally willing to go over to Encinitas.
We struggle but we never give in!!!
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Post by jaybs1 on Mar 30, 2009 11:33:01 GMT -5
i'm a little embarrassed to admit this, but i recently went through a similar experience, it seems i was too reliant on the not so accurate gas guage, after doing a series of diagnostics and determining there was no fuel going to the carb, i checked the fuel level only to discover i was out of gas! this, despite the guage reading half a tank. just remember, an engine needs spark fuel and air - failure to start will usually lead to one of those gremlins being out of wack - or in my case , out of fuel!
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Post by newtothegame on Apr 1, 2009 13:26:05 GMT -5
Your right Doug. I'll hold off on the Mechanic until at least through this weekend. Jaybs I appreciate the post, and that is definitely something I would do. I have checked the tank and there is some gas, so I don't that that is it. I'll see if I can't figure it out this weekend. It's tough because I am so bad mechanically, but I guess that's part of the reason I got this thing was to learn.
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Post by medman1952 on Apr 1, 2009 18:26:51 GMT -5
You two North County guys just need to get together and take car of it. Doug go help a Dawg out. BTW I at one time lived in Escondido.
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Post by Kaos on Apr 1, 2009 22:51:53 GMT -5
So I found the fuse, and that does not seem to be it. Where are the spark plugs? Would the scooter crank, but not fire if there is a sparkplug issue? the fuse may be good...but the connection TO the fuse may be bad....I suggest replacing the stock fuse holder with a new one from autozone that takes the spade type fuses. If you have a multimeter this is easy to check..with the key on...check one side against ground then the other side against ground (I suggest the valve cover).....if you get nothing then i would replace both the connector and the fuse to a spade type. (Like on Cars...SHOWN IN RED BELOW.)...i use cap connectors because the wires are more difficult to pull out than the straight connectors and also the spade wire will be much bigger than that little wire on the bike so a cap connector is a MUST...here is a pic:  Note that the chinomanual calls for an 8 amp but i have had no problems running the 7.5 amp fuse. you can also use the less expensive black one but it works great over stock, also it has a hard spring on both ends.  I hope this helps. |
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Post by streetlancer on Apr 2, 2009 0:51:28 GMT -5
Your problem could be the starters ground wire..on mine there is a ground on the valve cover and one on the frame. the one attached to the valve cover is your starter ground i believe....check yours and make sure it has good connection...If it is off it will turn over hard and you'll run your battery out and your relay will over heat from the high amps...I've had this problem already before...
If that is ok check your plug and see if it is fouled out. if it is you need a new one or soak it in dry gas 24 hrs and air dry it out and check it for good spark and re-install. while your soakin your plug charge your battery on a 2 amp 12 volt charge. if your plug is fouled out you might have a carb prob. Don't give up...you'll get it fixed
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Post by Doug in San Diego on Apr 2, 2009 10:52:49 GMT -5
Hey New
Any news? Im back from Disneyland with the kids.
Send me a PM if you want me to come over. Im no expert, but I am willing to get my hands dirty.
I bet it is something simple.
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Post by newtothegame on Apr 2, 2009 11:08:25 GMT -5
Man everyone's so helpful. I really appreciate it, this website is great. So really don't have time to work on it until the weekend, so I'm going to dedicate my weekend to fixing it. If it still doesn't work then maybe I'll have you help me Doug. I agree I think it is an easy fix if I know where to look. It started before I left on my trip, sat there and then didn't start. Can't be anything to major, right?
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Post by usfmarine on Apr 2, 2009 11:13:43 GMT -5
I'm in Oceanside, 'therustyaxe' here on Scoot Dawg is in San Clemente. You have options for help.
Also, if you do want to go the mechanic route, I suggest "Darren" at (619) 405-7467. He charges I think $35/hr and he travels to you. I might hire him to install a camshaft for me.
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Post by brian8474 on Apr 2, 2009 12:16:53 GMT -5
I would be willing to bet its a fuel problem or spark.Check the fuel line going into the carb and pull it off and see if fuel comes out.
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Post by rocketdog on Apr 2, 2009 16:37:38 GMT -5
Hey I have a Venice Try this MAke sure the on switch is on , then turn on the key. Dont do anything let it sit for a minute with the light on. This gives the auto-choke time to warm up. Then try to start it - Don't crank the throttle that would flood it. Check your schematic first. On my Scooter the electric choke is powered directly off the magneto. So having the key on does nothing. It has to be running before the choke needle closes. |
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Post by Kaos on Apr 3, 2009 7:36:27 GMT -5
So I found the fuse, and that does not seem to be it. Where are the spark plugs? Would the scooter crank, but not fire if there is a sparkplug issue? if you cracked plug then yes...the scoot will crank over but not fire up. |
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Post by Kaos on Apr 3, 2009 7:38:12 GMT -5
Also on my post about the main fuse...if that was the issue, you would not be getting nothing at all but it is best to change the cheesy china one...I have read many stories about them going bad.
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Post by newtothegame on Apr 6, 2009 11:14:36 GMT -5
Good news got it fixed. It was a sparkplug problem. My brother in law was in town so he helped me find it, cleaned the spark plug (we couldn't find a new one in any local shops) and it started right up. I was pretty excited, and now I know some of the guys of my scooter, which will be helpful. Thanks to everyone for the help, I really appreciate how helpful everyone is, and how willing everyone was to help. Thanks again.
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