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Post by harrywr2 on Dec 29, 2008 19:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by crfcom on Dec 29, 2008 19:35:12 GMT -5
Handsome. Did you see the 300? Nice. Hope someone picks them up. They both have a more upscale look to them.
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Post by flyangler on Dec 29, 2008 19:39:47 GMT -5
I like the style I especially like the seats but one conscern I would have is only a single disc front brake on a large scooter with 14 inch wheels .
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Post by crfcom on Dec 29, 2008 19:48:35 GMT -5
Some new stuff at Znen, too. Looks like they have a replacement for the ol' Duke Touring. Looks like a clone of the X9 Piaggio.http://www.znen-motor.com/
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Post by Gary on Dec 29, 2008 19:52:42 GMT -5
Very pretty.
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Post by tortoise on Dec 30, 2008 12:38:43 GMT -5
Jonway has a new two cylinder 500cc scooter on their site. . . I wonder if anyone will import it. Jonway USA is on the exibitor list for the February 2009 Indy Dealer Expo (NOT open to the public) . . so if not posted on the Jonway USA website by then, perhaps some of the industry affiliates on this forum will be able to inform the rest of us what the status is. Might also monitor the Scootertronics blog and website for updates. Definitely looks interesting . . twin cylinder engines generally run much smoother (less vibration) than single thumpers.  |
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Post by allyoop1982 on Dec 30, 2008 15:56:17 GMT -5
Very nice. I have one of the chinese clones that nobody will work on. Hope someone imports this bike!  |
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Post by Cookees on Dec 30, 2008 18:04:40 GMT -5
Damm... thats nice.
But I'm going to start my own brand of scooter and call it a ...Henway.
What's a Henway, you ask???
Wait for it..... ;D ;D
Wait for it....... ;D ;D
About 3 or 4 pounds!
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Post by scootzilla on Jan 3, 2009 0:46:14 GMT -5
Jonway has a new two cylinder 500cc scooter on their site. . . I wonder if anyone will import it. Jonway USA is on the exibitor list for the February 2009 Indy Dealer Expo (NOT open to the public) . . so if not posted on the Jonway USA website by then, perhaps some of the industry affiliates on this forum will be able to inform the rest of us what the status is. Might also monitor the Scootertronics blog and website for updates. Definitely looks interesting . . twin cylinder engines generally run much smoother (less vibration) than single thumpers. Looks like a copy of the Silverwing  |
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Post by harrywr2 on Jan 3, 2009 1:26:15 GMT -5
Looks like a copy of the Silverwing The Mrs's and I went shopping a week or so ago...wanted to sit on a Burgman 400, a Silverwing and a Kymco 500. Turned out the person on the phone 'misunderstood'...they didn't have any of them. When I asked the salesmen when they might have something he started blathering on about they might not get any Burgman 400's or Silverwings. Something about production line cuts. The Jonway 500 and Kymco Xciting 500 are aimed directly at the top end of the sub 650 CC scooter market. I would note a Kymco 500 Xciting is priced exactly the same as a Burgman 400. Honda has already abandoned the 250cc scooter market in the US. |
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Post by scoot-away on Jan 3, 2009 1:37:30 GMT -5
Hey Cookees you can't call it Henway you should call it No-way, as that little bike hardly cleared the first car.
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Post by Gary on Jan 3, 2009 7:05:45 GMT -5
A new scooter shop opened up here in San Diego selling mostly 150cc scoots. The owner tells me he's going to get some Pierspeed 400 cc scoots in soon. www.peirspeed.com/europa.htmHe does not know price yet. Will be interesting to see. The Jonway is prettier to my eye. Wonder if the Jonway will be fuel injected. My guess is the Pierspeed won't - the specs dont say. (But they do list the imfamous electric/kick start). |
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Post by colin on Jan 4, 2009 2:35:47 GMT -5
Power does seem conservative, but then again motors that are understresses do last longer.
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Post by allworld on Jan 4, 2009 8:58:27 GMT -5
Hello Gary: That Peirspeed 400cc is the same as the Q-link Splendar, also Bandit has the same scooter. The price should come in around $4400.00 or so.
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Post by rony on Jan 26, 2009 16:23:46 GMT -5
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Post by allworld on Jan 26, 2009 18:43:11 GMT -5
The 2009 lineup for maxi scooters (250cc +) is starting to look very nice.
While Sym, Kymco, Hyosung, Piaggio are all very nice, the once considered junk Chinese brands are looking much better.
Linhai 400cc
CfMoto CF250T-6
Znen 400cc
Jonway 300cc & 500cc
To name a few
The absence of Honda and Suzuki is not an issue for the consumer(Yamaha is still supplying scooters to the best on my knowledge) , true the Japanese scooters are top notch but you can't buy what isn't available. I know I will get a couple more years out of my Linhai, ( Ya it is that good) so by the time I am shopping for a new scooter I may be saying, "Honda who??"
The deal maker is always going to be the price for me.
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Post by harrywr2 on Jan 26, 2009 19:18:10 GMT -5
My Harley friends have invited me ride with them to Sturgis this summer...if you send me a Jonway GTS 500 I'll prove it...I'll ride it from Seattle to Sturgis and Back |
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Post by chetti on Jan 29, 2009 18:21:10 GMT -5
Ya, that is a nice scooter. If I bought a brand new 400cc or 600cc scoot, it would be a Yamaha. Especially if the China brand cost $4500 or more for the 500cc scoot. And I would have to have a garantee, warranty worth something, ect. Not a warranty that amounts to" you are on your own".
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Post by rony on Feb 2, 2009 23:27:37 GMT -5
My Harley friends have invited me ride with them to Sturgis this summer...if you send me a Jonway GTS 500 I'll prove it...I'll ride it from Seattle to Sturgis and Back If you order one I'll send it to you. I may also give you a discount if you ask nicely. Rony evosales.comiscooterparts.com |
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Post by rony on Feb 2, 2009 23:42:16 GMT -5
Ya, that is a nice scooter. If I bought a brand new 400cc or 600cc scoot, it would be a Yamaha. Especially if the China brand cost $4500 or more for the 500cc scoot. And I would have to have a garantee, warranty worth something, ect. Not a warranty that amounts to" you are on your own". I don't think the 400 to 500cc Chinese scooters will cost as much as $4500. The 400cc motorcycles are going to be in the low 3k range. I would expect the scooters to be in that range as well. They may ask for exorbitant prices the first couple months but they will lower the price. The price of Chinese scooters is and should remain for now at 1/3 to 1/2 of the Japanese and European bikes in the same group. The price of Chinese scooters may go up as the US puts pressure on China to stop manipulating the value of the RMB. The Chinese government does that to keep prices steady against the USD; China would lose export orders if the currency fluctuation increases their prices. You can check the history of the RMB vs the USD, it has not moved in the past 18 months. We don't want the RMB to remain the same because cheaper prices in China = less jobs here. Rony evosales.comiscooterparts.com |
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Post by donkinney on Feb 3, 2009 6:18:23 GMT -5
I have a 257cc linhai clone scooter and a silverwing 600 twin. Both have single disc on front and back. Both are good, the silverwing is smoother and both stop very quick so I would not be afraid of the single disc on front, the silverwing has 13" on back and 14" on front. I remember when we had drum brakes on both and no problems stopping, then disc on front, drum on back and now disc on both. The high performance motorcycles have twin disc on front but they usually weight 600 lbs or more. Don
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Post by Gary on Feb 3, 2009 10:44:18 GMT -5
A 400cc china scoot in the low $3K range would be a very interesting offering. My guess is there would be a lot of demand, partly from 250cc china scoot owners that have had their scoots for a few years now and want to upgrade.
I'm also anxious to see if/when fuel injected 250cc china scoots come out, and what their price point will be.
PS: I must say though that I'm pretty attached to Ole Blue. She's like a well broken in baseball glove now....
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Post by harrywr2 on Feb 3, 2009 11:16:46 GMT -5
The high performance motorcycles have twin disc on front but they usually weight 600 lbs or more. Don I have twin on the front...one side is linked with the back disc and applies and equal pressure to front and back and runs of the left brake handle...and works good for smooth, no nose dive stops. The right brake handle runs the other disk and is for those "stand it on its nose" stops. |
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Post by haakon59 on Feb 7, 2009 21:14:27 GMT -5
Nicely designed scooter. It wouldn't surprise me if this brand hits the US market this year because my sense is that there will be a trend towards scooters and bikes. Anyone have any experience with this brand at all? Reliability, etc?
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Post by harrywr2 on Feb 7, 2009 21:46:09 GMT -5
Nicely designed scooter. It wouldn't surprise me if this brand hits the US market this year because my sense is that there will be a trend towards scooters and bikes. Anyone have any experience with this brand at all? Reliability, etc?[/quote Jonway owns JmStar and Shanhei Shenke...in terms of numbers of Chinese scooters sold in the US they have a fair share of the market. The biggest impediment to importing it will be making the EPA standards for 280cc+ bikes without fuel injection. There is no nitrogen oxide standard for less then 280cc bikes...so easy enough to meet the federal standard for Hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide...just run lean. For 280cc+ bikes the 2010 standard is a combined nitrogen oxide/hydro carbon standard..lean doesn't get you there. |
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Post by Gary on Feb 7, 2009 22:45:12 GMT -5
Harry -
How do you know so much about emissions and stuff? You really are able to break things down to the fundamental issues.
Gary
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Post by haakon59 on Feb 9, 2009 18:31:10 GMT -5
Nicely designed scooter. It wouldn't surprise me if this brand hits the US market this year because my sense is that there will be a trend towards scooters and bikes. Anyone have any experience with this brand at all? Reliability, etc?[/quote Jonway owns JmStar and Shanhei Shenke...in terms of numbers of Chinese scooters sold in the US they have a fair share of the market. The biggest impediment to importing it will be making the EPA standards for 280cc+ bikes without fuel injection. There is no nitrogen oxide standard for less then 280cc bikes...so easy enough to meet the federal standard for Hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide...just run lean. For 280cc+ bikes the 2010 standard is a combined nitrogen oxide/hydro carbon standard..lean doesn't get you there. Thank you Harry, as always, great information. |
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Post by harrywr2 on Feb 9, 2009 19:19:02 GMT -5
Harry - How do you know so much about emissions and stuff? You really are able to break things down to the fundamental issues. Gary Way back when I was a lowly engineering student at a 3rd rate college whose entire faculty was made up of layed off space program engineers(real rocket scientists), we ended up doing a lot of classroom projects in an effort to find the magic bullet to pollution, fuel economy and performance. Between the EPA regulations and Fuel Economy standards once mighty muscle cars had been turned into Grandma-mobiles. |
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Post by kickstand on Feb 15, 2009 4:14:02 GMT -5
Nice looking machine but wouldn't you still have a problem finding someone to work on a Jonway, whether it's a 150 or a 500? I found a trustworthy, talented mechanic who will work on anything but they are hard to find. I've told him that if he ever decides to move, don't tell me because I won't be responsible for my actions.
IMO, if anyone is wanting a scooter of this size, might as well go with the guys with dealerships - like Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki. I have trouble understanding why some of that Detroit brain power isn't going to work on an American scooter. Maybe it's the whole cost of work force issue.
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Post by allworld on Feb 15, 2009 7:59:07 GMT -5
Hello Kickstand:
You seem to be correct, many shops won't work on off brand scooters or really anything like ATV's or MC. Some of the reasons that I have always heard was "can't find parts", "there nothing but junk" "It'll cost more to fix it than to buy something better" etc... You get the idea.
I have lately seen a shift in that thinking, parts are becoming more available, the Chines have about a 40% share in the USA market and more shops are starting to carry Chines built scooters, but one of the real reasons is the economy. Mechanics need work, and well work is work.
I was looking closer at the specs. for this scooter as well as a few others: Jonway never calls it a 500cc just a 500 the hp is only around 20, I don't know what the actual engine displacement is but I think it is much less than 500.
This is similar to Linhai 400 they never call it a 400cc and it's displacement is only 352cc but has 22hp.
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