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Post by wayneb on Sept 12, 2009 16:25:59 GMT -5
I probably should have changed the oil right away, but I didn't and I have 150 miles on it
now and want to change it. What size is the oil drain plug? The biggest socket I have is 21mm
and that is not big enough.
Mirrors are staying in place now, the only thing I wish were different on it now is I could use a
little more leg room.
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Post by harrywr2 on Sept 12, 2009 20:49:52 GMT -5
24mm for the oil drain plug. 15/16" fits pretty good as well.
You'll probably also end up needing a set of metric allen head sockets..3-8mm.
As far as the legroom...yep...one of these days gonna take out the electric carving knife and do some 'customizing' on the seat.
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Post by wayneb on Sept 12, 2009 21:10:35 GMT -5
Thanks, Harry. You are always so quick to respond to questions, you must spend a lot of
time here.
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Post by harrywr2 on Sept 12, 2009 22:24:55 GMT -5
Thanks, Harry. You are always so quick to respond to questions, you must spend a lot of time here. Being the last support tech for a 25 year old product that went out of production 5 years ago has it's advatanges. Kinda like the maytag repair man. Unfortunately when the last warranty expires I'll have to get a new life...LOL You probly should rag on dave over at abscooters about becoming a UM or Hyosung parts dealer. I know they have had at least 1 'parts and service' only dealer. |
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Post by wayneb on Sept 13, 2009 8:35:57 GMT -5
I bought my Tank Touring 150 from Dave. I love that scooter, only it isn't fast enough for
highway driving. Going uphills into the wind slows it down too much.
I used to have a UM Powermax 150, there don't seem to be many dealers in the country
for them, took a long time to get some parts for it. I may have to try west60cycle.com for
parts for the Hyosung, but it would be great if Dave were a parts dealer for them. I'm
hoping I won't need more than just the basic maintenance parts for a while though.
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Post by hakuin on Sept 13, 2009 21:55:26 GMT -5
The idle speed demon struck right at 3,000 mi, and sure enough, a slight tweak to the idle speed screw cured my ills. That is just the most-recent example of how being on this forum (and this thread) has benefitted me. Thanks again!
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Post by smokerider on Sept 14, 2009 22:58:05 GMT -5
i need to throw a thanks on harry for starting this particular thread, too. so far i have had to get the starter solenoid replaced under warranty, tweak the idle screw a bit, and after 3 batteries (the dealer replaced once before we even bought it), i concur with harry's math that there ain't nothin' left with everything lit up before you ever hit the starter button. i still question if the charging system is up to the job on these. i put a 12BS with agm technology in it. if that doesn't keep up it's going back to the dealer. one funny thing i noticed about this bike when the battery is weak, is that it will still turn over (slower), but it will not fire. most motorcycles in my experience will fire up when the starter is turning at this speed. this thing needs a LOT of power to fire up. don't know if it is shutting down the computer and pump to turn the starter or what, but it will not start without a STRONG battery.
aside from hating the little obstruction in the filler neck, if there is anything i seriously don't like about this bike is the lack of a kick starter. if it is going to be this finicky with and hard on batteries, there needs to be a backup failsafe so you don't get stranded. a bike needs to be reliable or it is useless to me. and if putting a better quality battery in it is really the fix, then hyosung/um has definitely dropped the ball here. being an older rider, i had never had a bike without a kickstarter on it. when i bought my new sportster, it was a real shocker and a source of uneasiness that harley had chosen to delete them to save a few bucks. but, then i noticed that all the japanese brands had also lopped them off. well, silly me, that bike has been rock solid now for 3 years...and that battery seems as strong as the first time i hit the button....15,000mi and 3 brutal iowa winters ago. the ms3 250 has killed 3 batteries in less than a year. before replacing the battery this last time, i was charging it before every ride, and afraid to turn it off at the drive-up window for fear that it wouldn't start. my fears were realized because when i'd get home and turn it off, i'd turn it right back on again and it would be sapped again.
i know i am being long winded here, but, i got a question for ya harry. when i first read your battery saga, i thought you intimated that the 12bs was the same size. i bought online, so i was a bit surprised to find that (mine, anyway) it was taller. was yours the same size, or was it taller? it fits, but it's tight with the wiring harness the way it is. i think someone else here on scoot dawg mentioned somewhere that a 14bs is the same size as a 12bs? with even more power? did we sell ourselves short with the 12?
everything i read about this bike before buying it, said that it had electric/kick under start. we need to lobby hyosung to remedy this with a better battery, charging system, or a kickstarter retro-fit kit for it........and/or all three.
thanks again for starting this thread, harry.....very helpful.
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Post by CCProf on Sept 15, 2009 9:13:37 GMT -5
I sure can't find a kick start and it definitely sucks if you run your battery down.
Smoke - don't you use a battery tender? I plug mine in after every ride.
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Post by harrywr2 on Sept 15, 2009 9:22:49 GMT -5
i think someone else here on scoot dawg mentioned somewhere that a 14bs is the same size as a 12bs? with even more power? did we sell ourselves short with the 12? The 12BS is a bit bigger..does fit tight in the box. The problem one is going to have with any EFI bike is if the voltage drops below 12 then the Engine Control Computer is going to have a fit. Since the headlights and brakelight are both on when you start the bike you are already pretty close to the AMP rating of the OEM rated battery If it's not 100% charged you ain't gonna start. On my 150cc before I put in LED lights the voltmeter was dropping to 9 when I hit the starter with a 9BS battery. So in addition to the 12BS battery I put in a LED brakelight. That free's up another 2 AMP's. Haven't had a slow or difficult start since. I got the battery tender quick connect cord installed...haven't used it since either. Lots of manufacturer's have had troubles when they first export to the US. Just a couple of minor changes..got to take out the on/off switch for the headlight...got to put in different turnsignals(The oem turn signals in Korea are led and they are in the body). bike runs fine in Korea so they don't bother sending the minor modifications(what difference does a headlight switch make?) back to the electrical engineers for a 'reality check'. Always on headlights means you got an extra 4-5 AMP draw when your starting up. That 8 AMP battery ain't gonna make it. |
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Post by harrywr2 on Sept 15, 2009 10:44:59 GMT -5
a kickstarter retro-fit kit for it..... Once you have EFI a kickstarter won't do you any good. No 12 volts to boot the Engine Control Computer = No spark and No Fuel. |
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Post by smokerider on Sept 15, 2009 14:19:21 GMT -5
but if you have 12v and the computer boots, and the pump primes, a kickstart might start it, where the act of engaging the electric starter dooms you.
this issue is especially important with scooters. with a motorcycle, if you have any juice at all, you can put it in 2nd or 3rd gear and bump start it. the nature of the cvt makes that impossible.
anticipating this problem, i bought a little porta-jump battery for emergencies like this. the problem is that you have to turn on the ignition while it recharges your battery........with all the lights and computer, and pump on, it, just plain doesn't work.
harry, is that 1157 replacement led a direct swap, or is there some transformer or converter box that you have to install to effect the change?
prof, my philosophy is that you shouldn't have to do that after every ride. if you're planning on not riding for a month or so, then yeah. but, theoretically....no, not theoretically......you SHOULD be able to throw momma on the back of that thing saturday, and ride into pittsburgh for a steelers weekend and KNOW that it will get you back home sunday evening. you miss out on half the fun of owning a bike because you don't trust it. most of the people on this forum don't go anywhere on their bikes, because they don't trust the chinese quality. everything about this bike says "go anywhere....do anything" except this problem. and i think harry has the simple solution. i hope so, anyway. thanks again, h.
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Post by harrywr2 on Sept 15, 2009 15:28:21 GMT -5
The 1157 LED's are just a bulb swap. You'll want a red...and since the bulb points backward all the LED's in the tip rather then a radial style will work best. Most autoparts stores sell them. Super bright LED's has a better selection for cheaper... www.superbrightleds.comBe careful of the diameter of the LED bulb...it has to fit thru the hole. |
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Post by hakuin on Sept 15, 2009 21:13:17 GMT -5
Autozone had a pair of 1157 LED red bulbs selling for like $12 for a pair. Put one in my MS3 and the other in my son's Zuma tail light. Work great, even red bulbs w/red lenses (which I was apprehensive about).
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Post by harrywr2 on Sept 15, 2009 21:55:44 GMT -5
Autozone had a pair of 1157 LED red bulbs selling for like $12 for a pair. Put one in my MS3 and the other in my son's Zuma tail light. Work great, even red bulbs w/red lenses (which I was apprehensive about). One would think it wouldn't work right...but it is the correct way to go. Seems to me the red would filter out the red...but apparently not. The red lens actually filter everything but red. So if you get white..not so much light. |
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Post by CCProf on Sept 16, 2009 6:32:32 GMT -5
smoke - I don't have to plug in after every ride but I still do. Makes me feel better. The scoot's my preferred means of transport and I do trust it. Ride to a Stiller's game - NO WAY JOSE! The idiots down there on the Parkway probably paint little bike figures on the sides of their cages. It's about 75 miles from the house to the stadium and ends up taking about 2 1/2 - 3 hours if you hit the traffic wrong. My wife was badly injured down there when a semi passed on the right, cut left and picked her van up and dragged along the medial barrier for 100 + yards. She was within a foot from being pushed over and into the oncoming traffic.
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Post by wayneb on Sept 16, 2009 9:59:56 GMT -5
So far my battery has been staying charged, but I do have a battery maintainer. astroprof,
do you take the small side cover off every time you plug it in. It would be nice if there were
an easy access without having to take the cover off every time. My battery maintainer has
a 12V Accessory Plug Connection, I thought it might work using the output terminal inside
the front storage box, but it doesn't. Cooler weather is coming though so the days will be
getting longer between rides, and I will probably start plugging it in more now. Just don't
like to take the side cover off every time.
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Post by CCProf on Sept 16, 2009 10:06:46 GMT -5
I have the tender cable snaked up thru a small hole on the lower right side fairing. Easy plug in and off. Push the connecter in when not using.
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Post by harrywr2 on Sept 16, 2009 10:16:38 GMT -5
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Post by wayneb on Sept 16, 2009 11:10:33 GMT -5
My battery tender does have the other cables also. There is a hole already in the side panel right below the passenger footrest, so I can probably just run the cable through there. My old battery tender had a plug on the end of the cable like the bottom cable here: www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000EJTI7I/ref=dp_otherviews_1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&img=1My new battery tender doesn't have a plug. Would there be a problem leaving the cable attached to the battery without a plug on the other end when not using it? |
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Post by harrywr2 on Sept 16, 2009 11:17:44 GMT -5
I just tuck the end of the cable up under the battery strap when I'm not using it.
The problem with not having a plug for the end of the cable is what if water gets in it.
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Post by wayneb on Sept 16, 2009 11:31:03 GMT -5
Tucking it up under the battery strap sounds like a good idea, should be able to do that
without taking off the cover. I'll probably just buy another Black and Decker battery tender
with the plug to be on the safe side.
Thanks.
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Post by hakuin on Sept 16, 2009 22:28:39 GMT -5
I am using adhesive sided velcro tape stuck to the inside of the plastic just above the pass. footrest, then coil the hardwire portion of the tender and stick it between the velcro to hold it up & out of the way.
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Post by smokerider on Sept 17, 2009 0:14:01 GMT -5
:oman, prof, i shouldn'ta mentioned your wife...sorry bout that. i hope she didn't suffer any permanent injuries. let alone being on the back of a bike, i wouldn't blame her if she was skittish about riding in a cage on ANY highway. by the way, i love your state. when i came home from vietnam, i bought a new honda CL350 and rode it from iowa to fort dix, new jersey. along the way on the turnpike, i came upon an accident that had just happened, and was asked to (before cell phones) beat it to the next tollbooth to report it for police and rescue. married a jersey girl and spent the next 10 years (till the in-laws retired to arkansas) traversing pennsylvania in all sorts of weather. the pirates are my baseball team. wife #2 actually got me to a game at three rivers before they replaced it. my idea on the game was to make a weekend of it. if momma isn't up to it,.....ya got ridin' buddies? the fun of having a capable bike is actually going to a destination. i just put the LED 1157 in tonight, and with the 12BS agm, i shouldn't have any more problems, right harry? ;D   |
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Post by CCProf on Sept 17, 2009 8:14:07 GMT -5
Hey smoke - no problems. She still has a little PTSD but doesn't totally freak now on the highway.
Vietnam Vet? - Welcome home Brother! I was with "A" Battery 3/13th Arty, 25th Inf. June 69- June 70. 155 Self propelleds. Who were you with? I got out at Dix too. Member VVA Chapter 364.
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Post by smokerider on Sept 17, 2009 22:00:04 GMT -5
glad you made it back, too. you were probably on the ground watching as my flight to the 'world' was lifting to the clouds. jun68-jun69. i was mainly at HQ 40th sig bn at long binh, but we had units scattered all over, so i got to see qui nhon, cam ranh, cu chi, and i drove down to saigon about 3 times a week, and went on medcaps in the villages surrounding bien hoa about twice a month. we had an artillery unit right behind us that lobbed 105's over us all the time. a little disconcerting the first time you experience it. that wasn't you guys was it? my brother was with an artillery unit attached to the 4th ID near pleiku. he was a part of our little incursion into cambodia that got uncovered by the press.
where were you over there? have you been back? you're less than a day from DC,.....been to the wall yet? i wanted to be there when they dedicated it, but i was a single dad raising two daughters and couldn't afford it nor the time off work. my wife made sure i got there (as a matter of fact, it was the same trip we came up through pittsburgh and saw the pirates play).
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Post by smokerider on Sept 17, 2009 22:06:07 GMT -5
hey, soldier....have a bone (that almost sounds obscene, but.....)! i'd give one to harry for starting this thread, but, you see how many bones he's got? (i know, that sounds a bit.........)
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Post by harrywr2 on Sept 17, 2009 23:33:27 GMT -5
Wish I could reminisce with you boys...but I was too young for the 'nam. Jimmah did see fit to send me to the sandbox in '80 though..and Ronnie thought I should stay awhile. Then George Jr saw fit to send my daughter in '04 and my son in '06. Barack has seen fit to send my son to the 'stan this year.
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Post by CCProf on Sept 18, 2009 6:53:41 GMT -5
Smoke - We were based out of Cu Chi but I only saw it a couple times. We moved around a couple times. Over on the edge of the Iron Triangle, North to Tay Ninh, The Angel's Wing, down near the Delta and over on the border. I just caught the beginning of our little foray into Cambo. Wasn't me shootin over your heads. Actually, we were close enough to the Oriental River that we covered the Navy a lot.
Yep - been to the Wall. There's friends on there and that was tough.
Harry - I'm with you. My son's a Nat'l Guard Captain and was in the Sandbox. We're waiting to see if he's going back before his time is up next December. They were originally supposed to go this month but that was put off. Looks like it could be the 'stan next time.
Bones to both of ya!
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Post by smokerider on Sept 18, 2009 19:50:41 GMT -5
good on both of ya that you have family that have picked up the torch and carried it for the next generation. tell 'em an old vet is proud of them, and thanks them. hopefully, the new cic will be able to extract us without making things worse.
geez, harry, that resume almost looks like you were career!? we only had to go once. i admire and worry for the young people today suffering multiple deployments, force extended deployments, and stop loss. Providence be with them all.
so anyway, are you retired military, harry?
thanks for the bone, prof......and whoever else threw on my way.
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Post by harrywr2 on Sept 18, 2009 20:12:31 GMT -5
geez, harry, that resume almost looks like you were career!? Was thinking about it...but sometimes getting things accomplished and following orders and rules and regulations don't quite go hand in hand. |
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