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Post by argirhs on Sept 5, 2009 4:38:54 GMT -5
hi friends,my nervs are about to break,finally its coming on monday,it is coming from athens and there was a promblem with the trucks,so iam waiting,i love it allready,after my holidays i dont want even to get in a car,i hope we have an easy winter time so i can ride it
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 6, 2009 0:59:11 GMT -5
hi friends,my nervs are about to break,finally its coming on monday,it is coming from athens and there was a promblem with the trucks,so iam waiting,i love it allready,after my holidays i dont want even to get in a car,i hope we have an easy winter time so i can ride it Just get the big screen from Givi and you'll be OK for the winter. Some of my morning here are still 0 degC and I can survive behind the big screen. Believe me you'll have a blast!! Just like me - back now from an 80km run in the hills. ;D ;D
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Post by argirhs on Sept 6, 2009 2:48:35 GMT -5
the big screen does such good job?what if i use the fullface helmet?isnt it the same?
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 6, 2009 3:42:54 GMT -5
the big screen does such good job?what if i use the fullface helmet?isnt it the same? I must say it depend how tall you are, I'm 194cm. If you are shorter then the standard factory screen may be fine. I use a full face helmet and the big screen. I only use a full face as an open face does not give much protection. With the big screen I can ride with the visor open wearing safety sunglasses and gets no wind in my face even at 120kph. With the visor fully open it seems like the visor on top of the helmet deflects the wind over one's head with no wind noise.
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Post by argirhs on Sept 6, 2009 6:04:03 GMT -5
no its not enough for me either(iam 1,78m)factory screen is low for me too,i just thought that putting the big screen reduses the cold air to other parts of your body as well,if it doesnt why putting it if you wear a good helmet?i dont know much about scooters and about what this screen does,i drove the citycom a piece ,and i saw that the air was too much on my face.its important the visor to be open?(before a lot of years i drove streat bikes only with helmets and close visors)
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 6, 2009 15:29:44 GMT -5
no its not enough for me either(iam 1,78m)factory screen is low for me too,i just thought that putting the big screen reduses the cold air to other parts of your body as well,if it doesnt why putting it if you wear a good helmet?i dont know much about scooters and about what this screen does,i drove the citycom a piece ,and i saw that the air was too much on my face.its important the visor to be open?(before a lot of years i drove streat bikes only with helmets and close visors) The big screen reduces a lot of cold air to one's body. It is wider too which deflects the wind off one's hands. It's not necessary to ride with the visor open. I thought you may have a preference fo open helmets seeing you come from a warm country. When I'm just cruising the country side (like this week-end's 80km trip) I normally cruise at between 60 - 80kph. Then I like to have the visor open, feels like an open helmet and I like the feeling of air in my face. I like the visor open in the city too if it is not raining. On very cold mornings I close it a fraction. When I travel on the open road at 120kph then I close it as I like the protection from stones or insects. We have bumble-bees here, about 3cm X 2cm insect which feels like a stone when it hits you at 100kph. Hope you get your scoot today. On the 23rd of September my scoot will have it's first birthday with almost 10 000kms on the clock and it still looks like new. I am extremely happy with it. You have fun today. ;D ;D ;D SYM = Smile Your Miles!!
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Post by argirhs on Sept 8, 2009 7:47:34 GMT -5
finaly its coming tomorow,you see dew to the economical crisis,the transport companies have problems too,what about a no full face helmet?is this so bad idea?i saw one in which the visor covers the face well
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 8, 2009 15:48:23 GMT -5
finaly its coming tomorow,you see dew to the economical crisis,the transport companies have problems too,what about a no full face helmet?is this so bad idea?i saw one in which the visor covers the face well That is for yo to decide. I always ride with a full face helmet. Here are some of the pictures that influenced me in my decision. www.flickr.com/photos/roentgenator/2450912496/Now I know this rider did not wear a helmet, but when the rider were to land on his face with an open helmet, the jaw bone will be pressed into the skull - not good in my book. Rash from the road will disfigure one's face and I sort of like the person's appearance I see in the mirror everyday. ;D I feel at least the full face helmet give me the protection I'm comfortable with. I'm not preaching to you - just giving you my thought process. I hope you get it tomorrow - nothing as bad for one's nerves as something like that taking time to come. I was lucky, mine was in the shop, I took it for a ride, said I'd take it, paid for it, they registered it the next day and I got it that afternoon. Even that wait was too long!!
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Post by argirhs on Sept 9, 2009 9:07:18 GMT -5
so full helmet it is,finally i have the scooter,from the morning iam breaking in it,its beutifull,now i know why you are in love with it,i did something like 100 kilometers,i also had an issue,in a road like "glass"on a hard left turn the front part of the scooter started to get out of its cource ,but easy came in when i slow down a little,it took place slowly and that is a good point,in curvy roads if you put your weight infront it does like a bike,i loved it too, that scooter is something,it came in box 0 kilometers i starded it and ride fermaly for 5 minutes but i was opening the gass almost full and then closing it all the time,i turn off the ignition for 10 min,and after i was doing the same more hard for 10 min,then i went out to "write"some kilometers accelerate and versus the same way,after that i went on the mountains doing the u's that you told me,thats for now see you
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Post by argirhs on Sept 9, 2009 14:18:02 GMT -5
the manual sugests 20-50 oil for the motor is this real or what,what sould i put on?the temperaters here are something like 5-35 celcious,anyway i will not go out under 5 degrees,the winder is coming here,i also must tell you that a person that was there when i took told me that he went to the factory in twaiwan and he saw that they break in the motors on a dyno
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 9, 2009 16:15:17 GMT -5
The Citycom factory service manual states 10W30, which is what I used. Your temperatures is a lot like ours, except we can have -6degC sometimes and yes I do ride when it is that cold. No worries with the good weather protection of the Citycom. Luckily my trip to work is only 7kms which helps. Did you see my reply scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=200cc&action=display&thread=16772&page=3 « Reply #85 on Aug 31, 2009, 2:19pm » to you on page 3 of this review. That is my thoughts on what oil to use. Don't be afraid to use it in colder temperatures, the scoot will handle it just fine. Did you get your scoot?? For "break in" of your scoot you can read how I did it here scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=25346&page=2 Page2 Re: break-in techniques for (under 400cc) « Reply #35 on Aug 11, 2009, 2:55pm »
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Post by cp750 on Sept 9, 2009 23:00:55 GMT -5
I got lucky, walked in, took it to get the paperwork myself and rodeaway within a few hours on Saturday morning. I love it, works a treat round town. I had some trees lined up as "markers" on a piece of road where I pulled away from a standstill at traffic lights. I used trhem to work out the gains on modifying my 50cc scooter. The first tree (in modified mode) was 30kph, the second 40kph, the third 50 kph and the fourth 60kph, probably 800 metres to tree #4. My citycom hits 80kph before the first mark easily.
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 10, 2009 2:46:31 GMT -5
You were lucky you had perfect weather for riding too. My wife (on her Xigyue XY150T) and I did a 80km ride Sunday afternoon, thru the tunnel to Lyttleton, around to the top overlooking Sumner, along the Crater Rim Road to the bottom of the Gondola, walked up to the Gondola for a drink, then further to the Sign of the Kiwi and back home. Lovely. You'll enjoy that too, The Citycom loves to carve the twisties. I'll keep my eyes open for you. Where are you based in Christchurch? I'm here in the north - Belfast/Papanui.
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Post by argirhs on Sept 10, 2009 6:40:07 GMT -5
yes i have it,please read my comment above my comment about the oil
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Post by argirhs on Sept 10, 2009 6:43:28 GMT -5
about the oil yes i know about 10-30,i just mentioned it because it was writen in the greek manual
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Post by argirhs on Sept 10, 2009 15:36:51 GMT -5
hi,today i checked the tires presure,it was 30 infront and 40 the rear,so i fixed it,probably that is the reason why on a left turn the front part of the bike started to get out of its cource,here in greece most of the roads are something like glass or inox(surfaces),so allthow i heared that the maxxis tires are good,i am thinking putting on the metzelers fellfree,is that a bad idea?in the dealer i almost had a fight,they told me to use 20-50 oil for the motor,this is what the manual for greece says,i think after that iwill go for synthetic oil(after some miles ofcourse)and forget about the 2year waranty that they have for the citycom
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 11, 2009 6:19:09 GMT -5
hi,today i checked the tires presure,it was 30 infront and 40 the rear,so i fixed it,probably that is the reason why on a left turn the front part of the bike started to get out of its cource,here in greece most of the roads are something like glass or inox(surfaces),so allthow i heared that the maxxis tires are good,i am thinking putting on the metzelers fellfree,is that a bad idea?in the dealer i almost had a fight,they told me to use 20-50 oil for the motor,this is what the manual for greece says,i think after that I will go for synthetic oil(after some miles ofcourse)and forget about the 2year waranty that they have for the citycom Yes I think you are right, it is the pressure that caused it No give in the tire and to small a contact surface because of the high pressure. . I weigh 89kgs and use 26 front and 30 back which seems to give me the best ride on the Maxxis tyres. The other thing is that new tires are more slippery as they still have the release agent on the outside layer of rubber. They will improve as they wear. I spoke to one person who always take his electric belt sander to his new motorcycle tires to get rid of that outside layer. I think the Maxxis tires are sort off middle of the range tires. At the start mine was very slippery in the wet, but now they are OK. Today I was riding in the mountains on a wet twisty road and they felt quite good, but the road surface was very coarse and washed clean from the heavy rain. In the city with the oil, etc. on the wet smooth roads and the wet road markings I would say they are just ok. I take it easy around sharp corners on a wet road in the city. I've heard very good reports from the Pirelli GT's (long life, good grip in the wet) and thought I'll try them when these Maxxis of mine wear out. I don't know the Metzelers, the only experience was a 30km ride I took a Harley Davison 1500cc on which had them on. The bike handled very well, but I don't know the tires or the bike to know which to put it down to. I do know that Metzelers are a premium tire and has a good name. If you do put Metzelers on I would like to hear of your experience. Have you had any experience in the past with them? Did the shop have the manual?? I wonder, because then they would not have said 20W50. That is the oil weight for air-cooled motorcycles (with big engine tolerances) in a hot climate and/or city stop start riding, not an water-cooled precision (small tolerance) engine like the Citycom's. You want the 10W or 5W oil for start-up(where most of the wear occurs) lubrication. Congratulations and I'm glad you ere enjoying yours. I did a 300km trip this afternoon here in the Southern Alps. Christchurch to Arthurs Pass Village if you wanted to look on Google where it is. Over a mountain Pass 900m high and with a head wind (50kph forcast, probably about 30kph) and the Citycom handles it just fine 115kph on the speedo and even 138kph(naughty me ) at one stretch. At one part of the trip the gradient and wind had the scoot only do 100kph wide open throttle.Fuel consumption going 3.8l/100km and back 3.4l/100km very good. I will post a video I shot sometime ;D ;D
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Post by argirhs on Sept 11, 2009 7:01:59 GMT -5
thanks friend,about the metzelers yes,i had those tires in my bike before some years,i think its the only tire that anybody sould use,i think its not a question at all,its your life and the cost of an accident and disaster,that is what i believe about matzelers and the other brands,i think they have a winter type for all around riders like you,i believe that it will give you more plessure if you turn everywere with nothing to think(about meet the surfase of the street).About the oil the manuals that i find here keep saying that its good(the manual) for the country that the bike goes,so i can not argew with them,also i read something like the 20w-50 is not thik as we think,and that 20w is ok for something like -10 celsious and doesnt lose viscosity in high temperatures if we talk about mineral(petroleoum)oils,i think they afreind the warm weather here in greece,about synthetic i think is the best,i also read that the diesel oils for trucks are the best oils, even for bikes,i wanded to tell you, because i read in one of your posts about the mixture of different oils,once i had a gas station and the oil dealers from the mobil use to say that is the worst think to mix oils,and from my todays job(coolant engineer)if we mix synthetic and mineral oil its a disaster,it can become a very thik tar inside the tubes,of cource i dont know if this have to do anything with 4t gas engines.Finally about the tires i will take a look in a greek forum, i believe here are the worst roads,in your country i think the roads are fine and you can hardly understand if a tire is good ,but what about the "glass roads"of my country?you really can test a tire here(most of the roads here you can not find the small rocks on the surface only smooth tar surface),believe you must go for the metzelers
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Post by argirhs on Sept 11, 2009 7:20:54 GMT -5
i see you "work"your bike very much,and on the mountains were for sure the roads are quite good(no sun to destroy the surface)thats the best fun for me too riding the mountains,when i took the scoot for first time before 2 days it was completle empty,and i put 10 litters in,today it took 8,37 litters and i did 280 kilometers(city, mountain,some out of city),i think is very good but i think it has to do something with the tires that had to much pressure,i see the big screen of yours didnt" hit"much the consumption of the scoot,i live in north greece in a town called naoussa,its a mountain city 400 meters above sea level with big mountains 2050 meters high,the city is north-west from thessalonike(salonika)city almost 100 km(road),but iam bad with cameras(but i like to see) and work with the computers
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Post by argirhs on Sept 11, 2009 8:25:06 GMT -5
i read in greek forums great things about the bringeston battlax tires
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Post by cp750 on Sept 11, 2009 18:10:17 GMT -5
Hi, I'm in Richmond and most is just comuting into the area by South city along Fitzgerald ave. I use the green grocers in Marshlands as an excuse to toodle up the motorway and do a round trip but generally won't be doing high miles.
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 12, 2009 2:47:40 GMT -5
Hi, I'm in Richmond and most is just comuting into the area by South city along Fitzgerald ave. I use the green grocers in Marshlands as an excuse to toodle up the motorway and do a round trip but generally won't be doing high miles. Well I'll keep my eyes open when I'm in that part of town. Hope you enjoy yours.
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 12, 2009 3:02:37 GMT -5
Hi argirhs - the 20W50 will be good in your scoot. If it was to void my warranty, then I would go with 20W50. The 5W or 10W is just better all round oils. The problem with tires for our scoots is the size. It is an odd size and not all tire manufacturers make tires for them. I'm to lazy now to look what the scoot's tire sizes are and to see if Metzeler makes them in that size. I'm sure you will check it out by the sound of it. Our city streets have this smooth (glass as you call it) surfaces too in some places. I agree with you on good tires. A few years ago I rode a Suzuki GN250 year round and I put Pirelli tires on it. The chaps at the bike tire shop thought I was crazy, but even in -9 degC mornings with black ice on the roads I never had any problems. Sometimes others at work would ask me if I felt the black ice on the road and I did not even know there was. It transformed the bike. Yes I know about mixing synthetic and mineral oil, but Mobil states on the website that one can mix their synthetic oil with mineral. But now I'm going with full synthetic. I know the engine is way smoother and idles higher on cold mornings. I had a look at your town with Google Maps, looks like you have lots of nice places to ride. One of the photos even show you get snow in winter. Enjoy your ride. ;D
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Post by argirhs on Sept 12, 2009 6:15:08 GMT -5
i saw your place too,and your fotos,yes we have snow allthough its not so much the latest years,in older times at winter we had 1-2 meters snow,i will go with the 20-50 on this change of oil and then with 10-30 or10-40 they excepted it,of cource after 3000-4000 miles i will go on with fully synthetic,about the tires i didnt here good staff about gs or gts tires i think its pirelly,bad the diablo pirelly must be good,the metzeler wintec,and this battlax bringeston nowone has something bad to say,but i will search it more and let you know
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Post by argirhs on Sept 12, 2009 12:34:56 GMT -5
from what i see about tires you have to go for the pirelly diablo but not gs or gts,or the bringeston battlax(i think this is the best),no michellin
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Post by argirhs on Sept 12, 2009 14:25:22 GMT -5
i hear that the metzeler feelfree(aviable for citycom)are the same with the pirelly diablo,and that either metzeler makes tires for pirelly or pirelly bought the metzeler combany,people here say that metzeler feelfree is great in the wet,and in the dry allthough the front tire is ok the rear is not so good
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 13, 2009 5:40:11 GMT -5
i hear that the metzeler feelfree(aviable for citycom)are the same with the pirelly diablo,and that either metzeler makes tires for pirelly or pirelly bought the metzeler combany,people here say that metzeler feelfree is great in the wet,and in the dry allthough the front tire is ok the rear is not so good Good to get to opinion of someone who has experience with these great tires. Your climate is closer to ours too, perhaps warmer for longer tho. Not a lot of manufacturers cater for our scoot tire sizes 110/70-16(52P) & 140/70-16(65P). I like these two: 1.) Metzeler Feelfree (not the Wintec - no sizes for our scoot) 2.) Pirelli Diablo They look very much alike, especially the back tires. Bridgestone Battlax does not seem to cater for our sizes. Avon Viper Strykes does not have the superior grip in wet weather apparantly, but seem to be good in dry and give a long life. I have had correspondence with radiuswoodguy of this forum and he has 10 000+miles on his Citycom. He runs Michelin Gold Standard and has 5000 miles on his current set. He thinks that he'll get 5000 miles more. Most of his running is on open road and logging roads and rain forest (very wet) weather. He seem to be very happy with the Pirelli Gold Standards which may be more suited to his open road traveling. He does not have to content with slick road surfaces as in the cities. have fun.
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Post by argirhs on Sept 17, 2009 5:18:22 GMT -5
hi guys,500km almost,and the consumption is something like 4litters/100km,most in the city
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Post by argirhs on Sept 19, 2009 13:20:20 GMT -5
today i changed the oil,i took out the oil with no name that they put in my citycom in the first change,so now i have the motul 10-40 semisynthetic,i think the scooter is better on that,600kms
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Sept 20, 2009 4:23:48 GMT -5
Hi argirhs, sound like you're piling the k's on now, having fun. I put a computer hard-disk magnet in the little oil strainer sieve to catch all the metal parts in the oil before the oil pump circulate them thro the engine. There is not much, but it did have a small amount of gray stuff on it when I cleaned it last time. First time after 4000kms. The magnet (actually four thin magnets stuck together) is to big to be sucked up the oil pump and they tend to stick to the bottom of the oil strainer in case you wondered. My rude form of an oil filter. Miles of smile to you.
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