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Post by scootnwinn on Jan 27, 2013 12:08:13 GMT -5
No I have no problem with you other than your mood swings constant name calling blatant lying and things like that you can kiss what ever you want I never aske you to. Why any one would encourage you or approve of your behavior is beyond me. They must not be paying attention. I do have a 1/4 of a brain and leftwayleft is you too all day everyday explain that. If you aren't trying to be deceptive why reintroduce yourself? Just say hey I'm using this account now not I'm back when you never left. I don't have a problem, yours are apperently many and multifaceted. You bring hate and intolerance to the forum and I think you will find many of my.posts in the welcome section. Good.day to you
lol you argue with experts with theories? when have i lied? and please god learn to use spell check? Seriously, you are going to request spell check when you are so clearly anti-grammer. You lied when you joined a forum under a new name with a different email address because you had been banned from it. That is lying. Though from what I gather your moral code is not the same as many on here and is generally quite malleable so that it suits your current whim.
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Post by snugglebunny on Jan 27, 2013 12:16:07 GMT -5
mike and lee conspired to steal the site and thought no one would care. well, they were wrong.
ive been all over the PRO B site you cant sell a forum, you can change the admin( assume the 'ownership') i just read where 2 people wanted to change their site from 1 owner to the other it was accomplished in one day. lee should have know how to do this. but as a slum landlord he didnt care about the right, legal way to do it
he SOLD it, lol he cant sell something that isnt his. ALL posts, etc etc etc is the property of PRO B. all the technical data etc.
i am NOT a lawyer, like i am NOT a mech, but ya know, ive been going to school, well heck always. im always in a class at the community college, or at PITT so im NO dummy
i'll bet PRO B turns the "ownership" over to Doug and makes mike return all the copyrighted posts , data etc off their site
just my 2 cents
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Post by amac1680 on Jan 27, 2013 13:13:50 GMT -5
Finally all the hub bub about SPAM? Take note since the move not one spammer here? Now that sure makes one wonder now doesn't it? yea that is really funny, no spam once the site was stolen. mmmmmm curious kitty wanna know why?
thats one of the reasons, certain individuals said the members were complaining and gee no spam in 2-3 days now?
hmmmmmmmI'm no Internet guru but you can't SPAM a site you can't join and this one is shut tight. Be Big, AMAC
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Post by Dawg on Jan 27, 2013 13:13:57 GMT -5
OK, dawgs & dawgettes... I am founder (LEE) of this forum. We started with about 8 members in 2006 and have grown to what it is. Sorry they disabled my admin account here so you aren't seeing my regular profile but it's me and you can email me for verification. Yes, I teamed up with Mike to improve the quality of the forum. Part of the improvement is locating on a site where we have more control than proboards allows. As to loyalty, we owe proboards nothing. I paid personally to keep google ads off as long as I could afford it. As to the banner ads, they were free. This place has been a labor of love and goodwill as will the new location.
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Post by leftwayleft2 on Jan 27, 2013 13:26:19 GMT -5
Dawg?-I am new here so I dont know you from Adam BUT if you were working so hard to improve the site and had teamed up with Mike to do this WHY did you not let the members know in advance? You have been silent duing all of this until now....Why?
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Post by snugglebunny on Jan 27, 2013 13:26:33 GMT -5
lee well all thanks and all but dont you think any advance notice would have helped.? when i had to click to go to the new site well that's not the way it works, is it? if a site moves usually are automatically redirected, right? thats what caused all my scare. and after i re joined a site i belong to i started getting tons of spam on my business e mail, thats the one registered here. so i was like WHAT?
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Post by Dawg on Jan 27, 2013 15:01:46 GMT -5
I apologize for not giving advance notice personally. Been in ill health.
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Post by inuyasha on Jan 27, 2013 16:18:58 GMT -5
I apologize for not giving advance notice personally. Been in ill health. Hi Lee So sorry to hear that my friend 520431-20080802135503 by inuyasha50, on Flickr Love the new site btw thanks ever so much Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank
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Post by EPAhater on Jan 27, 2013 16:26:11 GMT -5
Hank you sure don't know a smoke screen when you see it. Lee has been playing the ill health card for some time now, wasn't too ill to sell your posts and material without your permission was he? Probably sitting on the beach now with a coke and rum!
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Post by amac1680 on Jan 27, 2013 16:29:50 GMT -5
I did not agree to have the content that I posted on this forum moved to a new site. I will not move to that site and request that any and all content that I have posted here and was moved be immediately deleted from that site. I own the content that I have posted here and the administrator of this site has zero rights to that content. Roy I understand how you feel but if you want your posts removed you should consider reataining an attorney. Just as the move was made without the input of the members so will be the final decision as to what happens to the content. When the legalalites of this start to be played out both sides will want to claim some sort of rights to old content. If either gets those rights remain to be seen but you can be sure the parties involved are concerned about their rights. Not yours or mine or others. It's not cut and dry and I would expect the parties involved will stop posting about it very soon. If not by choice by advice of their attorneys. It appears proboards admin has already stopped. Not a pleasent thought but unfortunaly the nature of these things. Be Big, AMAC
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Post by amac1680 on Jan 27, 2013 16:34:41 GMT -5
Hank you sure don't know a smoke screen when you see it. Lee has been playing the ill health card for some time now, wasn't too ill to sell your posts and material without your permission was he? Probably sitting on the beach now with a coke and rum! I would hope you know for sure that he's well and having a party. Yes it could /seems to be a smokescreen but if one doesn't have intimate knowledge of a mans health it's caustic to make such accusations. Civility still reigns Supreem. Be Big, AMAC
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Post by inuyasha on Jan 27, 2013 16:35:58 GMT -5
Hank you sure don't know a smoke screen when you see it. Lee has been playing the ill health card for some time now, wasn't too ill to sell your posts and material without your permission was he? Probably sitting on the beach now with a coke and rum! Hi Not here for the pissing match with the powers that be, i find it to be quite unsavory to say the least And once i post something to the Internet its public knowledge free to be read by all, theirs no ownership or copyright laws on my material and postings as far as I'm concerned so to me where is irrelevant its the people not the place I'm just here to make friends, help our when possible, and enjoy good fellowship with other like minded individuals All of this bickering is very tiresome Take care and ride safely dear Friend Yours Hank
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Post by scootnwinn on Jan 27, 2013 16:43:43 GMT -5
Amen Hank amen. Any one any where can copy and put this board any where I knew that when I joined. Give it up guys you are supporting a corporation that does not care about you. Interesting how quickly you all turned on Lee
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Post by millsc on Jan 27, 2013 16:44:20 GMT -5
Its not that serious you can google scooter problems and posts from scootdawg pop up, public posts for anyone to see member or not, so it really don't matter where the posts are all can see them regardless.
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Post by snugglebunny on Jan 27, 2013 16:46:46 GMT -5
guys here is where your wrong. { i know, i know u hate when im right} when you joined. last week. 2010 w/e you had to sign and agree to a TOS {terms of service} like me, you prob just checked that box. in the terms of service, it says that all post, data, pictures,etc everything is property of PRO B.
thats the only legal question.
i like both forums, BUT......................................
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Post by inuyasha on Jan 27, 2013 16:55:00 GMT -5
guys here is where your wrong. { i know, i know u hate when im right} when you joined. last week. 2010 w/e you had to sign and agree to a TOS {terms of service} like me, you prob just checked that box. in the terms of service, it says that all post, data, pictures,etc everything is property of PRO B.
thats the only legal question.
i like both forums, BUT...................................... Hi Better reread the tos 15. USER CONTENT "User Content" is any content, materials or information, not including Personal Information (as defined in ProBoards' Privacy Policy), that You upload or post to, or transmit, display, perform or distribute by means of, the Website, whether in connection with Your use of Services or otherwise. To clarify, You maintain full ownership of all your User Content posted to ProBoards. Because You own Your User Content, under the law, ProBoards requires a license from You before it can allow the User Content to be posted on the Website. Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank
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Post by amac1680 on Jan 27, 2013 16:57:26 GMT -5
guys here is where your wrong. { i know, i know u hate when im right} when you joined. last week. 2010 w/e you had to sign and agree to a TOS {terms of service} like me, you prob just checked that box. in the terms of service, it says that all post, data, pictures,etc everything is property of PRO B.
thats the only legal question.
i like both forums, BUT...................................... It's hard to be sure who is correct at this juncture. We accepted terms and conditions and the legality of those terms and conditions will come under scrutiny should a legal battle play out. Law is called a practice because the parameters change. In Internet law it gets even mor foggy. In the legal arena everything gets challenged and TOS of much larger operations have been found to be invalid. Time will tell but everyone's oppinion is just that. Not right or wrong at the moment. Be Big
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Post by millsc on Jan 27, 2013 16:57:53 GMT -5
If mike removed all the original posts from this scootdawg and renanmed the forum all this would be over, in a few days there will be enough new posts on the new site to carry its weight to be viable anyways.
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Post by EPAhater on Jan 27, 2013 17:05:20 GMT -5
Hank you sure don't know a smoke screen when you see it. Lee has been playing the ill health card for some time now, wasn't too ill to sell your posts and material without your permission was he? Probably sitting on the beach now with a coke and rum! I would hope you know for sure that he's well and having a party. Yes it could /seems to be a smokescreen but if one doesn't have intimate knowledge of a mans health it's caustic to make such accusations. Civility still reigns Supreem. Be Big, AMAC Yes it could /seems to be a smokescreen but if one doesn't have intimate knowledge of a mans health it's caustic to make such accusations.
Didn't post what I didn't know, known for a long time.
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Post by EPAhater on Jan 27, 2013 17:09:30 GMT -5
guys here is where your wrong. { i know, i know u hate when im right} when you joined. last week. 2010 w/e you had to sign and agree to a TOS {terms of service} like me, you prob just checked that box. in the terms of service, it says that all post, data, pictures,etc everything is property of PRO B.
thats the only legal question.
i like both forums, BUT...................................... Hi Better reread the tos 15. USER CONTENT "User Content" is any content, materials or information, not including Personal Information (as defined in ProBoards' Privacy Policy), that You upload or post to, or transmit, display, perform or distribute by means of, the Website, whether in connection with Your use of Services or otherwise. To clarify, You maintain full ownership of all your User Content posted to ProBoards. Because You own Your User Content, under the law, ProBoards requires a license from You before it can allow the User Content to be posted on the Website. Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank You can Hank but Lee couldn't nor did he have the right to sell anything that didn't belong to him, did you give him permission to sell your posted material? Did he share a royalty with you? Since you own the material he would have to ask you permission to do so. You just woke up one morning and found it gone. What about the people who don't want their material moved? What about their rights? BTW there is a big difference between transfer and sell, you can't sell something that doesn't belong to you......legally. Can I sell your scooter? I'll get all I can and you can just hope I'll pay you what's it's worth? ;D
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Post by leftwayleft2 on Jan 27, 2013 17:13:00 GMT -5
If mike removed all the original posts from this scootdawg and renanmed the forum all this would be over, in a few days there will be enough new posts on the new site to carry its weight to be viable anyways. I agree 110%!! That is what should of been done in the first place.
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Post by millsc on Jan 27, 2013 17:14:23 GMT -5
Still should be done now to make things sorta right lol.
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Post by leftwayleft2 on Jan 27, 2013 17:20:23 GMT -5
Yep.. It was just done wrong from the get go...thats why it all seems underhanded. Could of prevented all the squabbles and stuff. A simple post stating that Mike was going to start a new Scooter forum and a link to it with a invitation for all to come check it out and join if they so choose.
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Post by inuyasha on Jan 27, 2013 17:21:23 GMT -5
Hi Better reread the tos 15. USER CONTENT "User Content" is any content, materials or information, not including Personal Information (as defined in ProBoards' Privacy Policy), that You upload or post to, or transmit, display, perform or distribute by means of, the Website, whether in connection with Your use of Services or otherwise. To clarify, You maintain full ownership of all your User Content posted to ProBoards. Because You own Your User Content, under the law, ProBoards requires a license from You before it can allow the User Content to be posted on the Website. Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank You can Hank but Lee couldn't nor did he have the right to sell anything that didn't belong to him, did you give him permission to sell your posted material? Did he share a royalty with you? Since you own the material he would have to ask you permission to do so. You just woke up one morning and found it gone. What about the people who don't want their material moved? What about their rights? BTW there is a big difference between transfer and sell, you can't sell something that doesn't belong to you......legally. Can I sell your scooter? I'll get all I can and you can just hope I'll pay you what's it's worth? ;D Hi For me its not an issue as once i post to the Internet i have no illusions on controlling the content any one and every one has access to it Life is too short to worry about such trivialities And i would not presume to speak for the others Your simile with the scooter is not applicable as that is a material possession i own and not a thought i shared so if you did that it would be theft, i dont see Lee moving my thoughts and views somewhere else to be quite the same situation Take Care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank
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Post by millsc on Jan 27, 2013 17:25:04 GMT -5
Me personally i don't care where my posts are its public anyway, but some do so in order to make some happy the old posts should come down and the named be changed and then its all over.
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Post by leftwayleft2 on Jan 27, 2013 17:49:29 GMT -5
I know I am changing the sublect here....Sorry but I have a couple new questions I asked on my "Newbie" post that I would love any answers or advice I can get..Thanks
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Post by snugglebunny on Jan 27, 2013 17:57:10 GMT -5
NO ur a trouble maker, lefty sent ya a pm
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Post by inuyasha on Jan 27, 2013 18:11:01 GMT -5
If you haven't read the user agreement and just clicked the box, you should go back and read it. "User Content" is any content, materials or information, not including Personal Information (as defined in ProBoards' Privacy Policy), that You upload or post to, or transmit, display, perform or distribute by means of, the Website, whether in connection with Your use of Services or otherwise. To clarify, You maintain full ownership of all your User Content posted to ProBoards. Because You own Your User Content, under the law, ProBoards requires a license from You before it can allow the User Content to be posted on the Website. For these reasons, the following provision is a necessary part of this Agreement: YOU HEREBY GRANT THE PROBOARDS PARTIES A PERPETUAL, FULLY PAID-UP, WORLDWIDE, SUBLICENSABLE, IRREVOCABLE, ASSIGNABLE LICENSE TO COPY, DISTRIBUTE, TRANSMIT, PUBLICLY DISPLAY OR PERFORM, EDIT, TRANSLATE, REFORMAT AND OTHERWISE USE USER CONTENT IN CONNECTION WITH THE OPERATION OF THE WEBSITE, SERVICES OR ANY OTHER SIMILAR OR RELATED BUSINESS, IN ANY MEDIUM NOW EXISTING OR LATER DEVISED, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION IN ADVERTISING AND PUBLICITY. YOU FURTHER AGREE THAT THE PROBOARDS PARTIES MAY PUBLISH OR OTHERWISE DISCLOSE YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION IN CONNECTION WITH THEIR EXERCISE OF THE LICENSE GRANTED UNDER THIS SECTION. YOU AGREE TO WAIVE, AND HEREBY WAIVE, ANY CLAIMS ARISING FROM OR RELATING TO THE EXERCISE BY THE PROBOARDS PARTIES OF THE RIGHTS GRANTED UNDER THIS SECTION, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY CLAIMS RELATING TO YOUR RIGHTS OF PERSONAL PRIVACY AND PUBLICITY. YOU WILL NOT BE COMPENSATED FOR ANY EXERCISE OF THE LICENSE GRANTED UNDER THIS SECTION. You hereby represent and warrant that You own all rights, title and interest in and to User Content or are otherwise authorized to grant the rights provided the ProBoards Parties under this section. You further represent and warrant that all User Content fully complies with ProBoards' Community Guidelines. Further, You agree that all information sent to, or retrieved from, the ProBoards servers will comply with ProBoards' Developer Guidelines which is hereby incorporated by reference and made part of this Agreement. I already have consulted with my attorney on this matter. He will get back to me on my legal options. Roy Hi Rob I fail to see what impact this has on you personally, could you elaborate? And what do you hope to accomplish or get by seeing a laywer over this? Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank
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Post by EPAhater on Jan 27, 2013 18:25:20 GMT -5
You can Hank but Lee couldn't nor did he have the right to sell anything that didn't belong to him, did you give him permission to sell your posted material? Did he share a royalty with you? Since you own the material he would have to ask you permission to do so. You just woke up one morning and found it gone. What about the people who don't want their material moved? What about their rights? BTW there is a big difference between transfer and sell, you can't sell something that doesn't belong to you......legally. Can I sell your scooter? I'll get all I can and you can just hope I'll pay you what's it's worth? ;D Hi For me its not an issue as once i post to the Internet i have no illusions on controlling the content any one and every one has access to it Life is too short to worry about such trivialities And i would not presume to speak for the others Your simile with the scooter is not applicable as that is a material possession i own and not a thought i shared so if you did that it would be theft, i dont see Lee moving my thoughts and views somewhere else to be quite the same situation Take Care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank i dont see Lee moving my thoughts and views somewhere else to be quite the same situation
Doesn't matter what you and I think but what is fact is Proboards thinks different and they're the one running the show, not Lee and Mike.
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Post by inuyasha on Jan 27, 2013 18:51:38 GMT -5
Hi For me its not an issue as once i post to the Internet i have no illusions on controlling the content any one and every one has access to it Life is too short to worry about such trivialities And i would not presume to speak for the others Your simile with the scooter is not applicable as that is a material possession i own and not a thought i shared so if you did that it would be theft, i dont see Lee moving my thoughts and views somewhere else to be quite the same situation Take Care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank i dont see Lee moving my thoughts and views somewhere else to be quite the same situation
Doesn't matter what you and I think but what is fact is Proboards thinks different and they're the one running the show, not Lee and Mike. Hi I may be wrong in this and please correct me if i am But isnt proboards just the land lord of the site? before i bought my own home if was unhappy with where i lived i let my landlord know and i moved some wheres else Is it not the same with this? Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank
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