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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 11, 2012 20:54:15 GMT -5
As the title says... I picked up a running scooter today, for a mere 100 bucks! It has some weird functions though! VERY weird... ... First and foremost, I've owned TWO "VIP" 50cc GY6 Scooters and ONE 150cc "Type R". That being said, I've worked on these scooters A LOT (as a mechanic) and had a lot done to my 1st VIP - pretty much EVERYTHING you could do to it as a 50cc, other than a big bore kit! Anyways, lets jump into it! This "new" scooter ROLLS! It does a steady 41-45mph top end (GPS verified!!! I'm 145lbs at 5'9.) Still has the stock exhaust AND full airbox, pretty quick for being "stock looking"!  Though it HAS to have different rollers in it, it has good topend too though AND gets there d*** quick! Duno... The entire front end is messed up, someone just kind of slapped up different plastics on to make it look somewhat "decent" and "murdered" it out. It also lacks a battery (must kick start - turns over instantly) and has no headlight(s), turn signals, brake light(s), etc... It lacks a "twist throttle" as well, it's been "rigged" to engage the carb by the right brake lever! It has no gauge cluster and no electronics work, not even a key! Ha! Ok with me, ALL the wiring is still there and will be fixed in time - to an EXTENT! On THAT NOTE, now onto the issue! ;D I like not having the gauge cluster and seeing the handle bars and such, looks "sportier" IMO. But what I CANNOT seem to figure out is how you must cut the scoot off! You have to lean it to the left?!?! I've been baffled by this ALL DAY! It cuts off as if your actually hitting a kill switch! No puttering, "dieseling", just OFF! You can take sharp turns to the left (btw it has stiffer springs and handles VERY well) and have no fuel/ignition cut off AT ALL, ONLY when the bike is sitting still and leaned to the left (rather far I might add) will it cut off! Now I'm trying to figure this out! haha! Is it a fuel issue that when leaned to the left it cuts out due to lack of fuel?! I would think not, as it's an instantaneous thing - dead! PLUS it'll start RIGHT back up! My first thought when seen was, "OK, this thing stops getting fuel when leaned because of where the fuel is in the tank!" But then I looked in the tank and it's SLAM FULL, plus the bowl would have enough fuel to let it run for ATLEAST another 30 secs (give or take!) So I'm thinking it's some type of ignition/safety issue, that if the bike were to be dropped or something it would just die. (I duno, to maybe preserve a limb, it running off on its own, etc...) But that doesn't make sense because it would seem to me, IF THAT WERE THE CASE it would die or atleast TRY on sharp turns! For the life of me, I can't figure it out and it's baffling to say the very least! The owner couldn't explain as he bought it from a guy to get to school and back while his license was suspended. He just knew the guy was setting it up for "racing" and he did NOTHING to it the entire time he had it - he wasn't very mechanically inclined either. This is how he was taught to run it and that's all he did.  He had a bicycle headlight attached to the handle bars and a bicycle "taillight" as well via zip-ties....... yea... EXACTLY! So that's IT! WTH is going on here!? Ha! I know it HAS to be something simple but it's hard to figure out when you don't even know the brand of the bike. Just that it's a GY6 50cc motor and a Chinese made one AT THAT! Identical setup to ALL my other bikes! With ALL OF THAT SAID, I have another question(s)! How would I go about wiring a kill switch to this puppy?? Once I fix the INITIAL problem at hand? I plan to just use a toggle/button switch to do so... And also I would like to get the correct front plastic(s) on and install a REAL headlight and taillight using NO SWITCH! Just something that comes on once the bike is running! How would one go about wiring THIS SCOOTER to do such a thing? I like not having to bust out a key and start this thing, I just wanna kick it over and boom!!! Headlights and taillight kicks on while it's running!!!  I have no use for an on/off switch for the lights, just as long as they're on while the bike is on! I guess I would need a schematic of the bike's/motor's wiring (if someone out there has one!!!) or just someone to explain how I would do so! I want all the wires out of this baby, other than a push button kill switch and lights that kick on ONCE THE MOTOR is running and ONLY when the motor is running. Everything else, I can figure out! Simple enough, eh? I'm VERY good with wiring things and doing so cleanly and neatly, I just want this to remain a simple "kick and go scooter"!  But first and foremost I MUST figure out how and why this thing only cuts off when it's tilted?!?!Cheers to any replies and help is MUCH appreciated! This thing runs like it has a wild hair up its *you know what*!!! I'm pretty stoked to get it THE WAY I WANT IT! Here's a couple pics... if someone could possibly attempt to tell me what KIND of scooter this is, that would be great as well! I think I've explained it well enough, sorry about the ramble - I wanted whomever reads this and/or gives feedback to get the FULL PICTURE though! No pun intended... hehe! Here ya go!!!    |
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Post by martyd on Oct 11, 2012 22:10:33 GMT -5
i can not tell you what kind it is but it does look pretty cool i like the rockstar decal thats sweet and for 100$ it is good
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Post by csmcgurl on Oct 11, 2012 23:01:22 GMT -5
doesnt sound like a fuel issue either my guess is some kind of electronic acceleromater deal
sounds like a wiring nightmare tho sound fun stock my scooter was hitting40 to 43 gps verified im hitting high forties now with all the add ons and great acceleration
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Post by jlee on Oct 11, 2012 23:42:26 GMT -5
You have to lean it far over to the left... hmm... do you happen to have the kickstand down at the time? That would explain why it doesn't happen in sharp turns - loose kickstand safety killswitch...
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 12, 2012 1:09:48 GMT -5
You have to lean it far over to the left... hmm... do you happen to have the kickstand down at the time? That would explain why it doesn't happen in sharp turns - loose kickstand safety killswitch... No the kickstand HAS to be up to be able to lean it ENOUGH! Still didn't figure THAT one out! But I did rig me up a foglight for a headlight, works PERFECT! It cuts on AS SOON as the motor starts running! ;D ... So that's ONE THING down! I also figured out a way to wire the brake light, just need to order the actual light "fixture" from Scrappydog! Everything else (wiring that is!) excluding what the scooter NEEDS to RUN, is going to go! That way I essentially have a street legal dirt bike, minus the gears! Ha... Might even see if I can fab in some Renthal handle bars!!!  That'd be TOO SICK! Nonetheless... I'm still trying to figure this "lean to the left" thing! I guess it's not TOO bad, but it would be A LOT nicer to have a kill switch, instead of a "lean switch" lmao... no pun intended (if that IS the case... fuel!) |
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 12, 2012 1:12:29 GMT -5
Oh and thanks for the compliments! I like the way it looks as well! Murdered out with the Rockstar stars! Nice.... I still gotta do some cleaning up and purchase one piece of plastic from Scrappy as well!
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 12, 2012 8:44:18 GMT -5
ANYONE know what this is or could be?!
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Post by moorso on Oct 12, 2012 9:13:15 GMT -5
On my big bike I wired in a mercury switch from an old thermostat to set off an alarm when the bike is uprighted off the kickstand and the alarm is activated. It could be that a mercury or similar tilt switch is wired to shut it down when tilted over so far.
The headlight....I wired mine directly to a black wire coming off of my keyed ignition switch. I dont know what you got there....how do you start it if you dont have a key? Oh yeah, kickstarter.
Nice looking buggy for a hundred bucks
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 12, 2012 9:59:57 GMT -5
Thanks man... so what does this thing LOOK like?! I looked threw the wiring and it's just a tangled mess, I'm not sure what to touch and what NOT to touch! HAHA! I did however figure my light situation out, for a headlight and taillight when the bike is running! Now it's just a matter of getting the lights! (I'm going to use a box fog light up front, on the handlebars, for a headlight and the original light in the back, from Scrappydog!) THAT being said, there is NO keys or ANYTHING! Just think of a dirtbike, that's essentially how it's set up! Kick start and roll, lights blazing 24/7! I rewired the lighting because it was easy enough to figure out... I need to know what stays on these bikes JUST to make them run off the kick start! It doesn't even have the electric choke hooked up (I don't believe) Because you have to give it some gas to get it running, but it'll start in less than 3 kicks EVERYTIME and then runs like a dream afterwards!
... I would like to get the birds nest of wires out of this thing!!!!
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Post by moorso on Oct 12, 2012 11:57:57 GMT -5
Heres an el cheapo, emphasize el cheapo, mercury tilt switch www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_sabc?url=search-alias=aps&pageMinusResults=1&suo=1350060644215&tag=533643275-20#/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=mercury+tilt+switch&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Amercury+tilt+switchI doubt thats whats in there in, but who knows. Basically when the switch is tilted to a level position, a blob of mercury makes contact with two contact points and completes a circuit, which in your case would be to shut down the bike. So if you had a merc tilt switch it would have to be mounted on an angle so that when you scoot was leaned hard enough , the switch would level off and shut it down. Back in the old days, thermostats for rooms in a house had a glass bulb in them that had contact points at each end and a blob of mercury inside it. The glass bulb was attached to a bitmetallic strip in a coil shape that grew or shrunk with temperature. The whole assemble was adjustable so that when a certain temp was hit, the mercury made contact and turned on a furnace. Simple. I took an old thermostat apart and took out the bulb an wired it into my vtx 1300 under seat so that if the alarm is activated (say I leave the bike in a shady looking area) and someone tries to steal it by uprighting it off its kickstand the horn will go off. Simple but should be effecitve unless he snips the horn wires  |
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 13, 2012 7:44:16 GMT -5
Heres an el cheapo, emphasize el cheapo, mercury tilt switch www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_sabc?url=search-alias=aps&pageMinusResults=1&suo=1350060644215&tag=533643275-20#/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=mercury+tilt+switch&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Amercury+tilt+switchI doubt thats whats in there in, but who knows. Basically when the switch is tilted to a level position, a blob of mercury makes contact with two contact points and completes a circuit, which in your case would be to shut down the bike. So if you had a merc tilt switch it would have to be mounted on an angle so that when you scoot was leaned hard enough , the switch would level off and shut it down. Back in the old days, thermostats for rooms in a house had a glass bulb in them that had contact points at each end and a blob of mercury inside it. The glass bulb was attached to a bitmetallic strip in a coil shape that grew or shrunk with temperature. The whole assemble was adjustable so that when a certain temp was hit, the mercury made contact and turned on a furnace. Simple. I took an old thermostat apart and took out the bulb an wired it into my vtx 1300 under seat so that if the alarm is activated (say I leave the bike in a shady looking area) and someone tries to steal it by uprighting it off its kickstand the horn will go off. Simple but should be effecitve unless he snips the horn wires Haha! That IS nifty! Did you just have a hidden kill switch for the alarm or something? (well, I guess the remote huh?) I don't think that's what's on this bike though, if so it's hidden VERY well!!! I pulled the bike down to bare metal and motor last night to inspect ALL elements (rewire, tighten bolts, check belt, things of that nature) of it and try to get the "birds nest" of wires out! I did indeed get ALL of the wires out and now I just have a wire(s) running for front and rear lights, two coming from the brake to the rear for brake lights and last but not least one running for a kill switch. It was easy enough to google a Chinese Gy6 wiring schematic and figure out - even though my colors didn't necessarily match up! EVERYTHING is gone, except what goes from the stator, to the CDI, to the coil and the wires I just mentioned! I thought I had figured out why it was cutting out... I thought the black wire from the CDI was grounding out when you tilted the bike - it was exposed!!! Nope. So even after rewiring ALL OF THAT to MY specs, I still can tilt the bike and it cuts off!!!! Weirdest thing I've ever seen and I looked forever for a "mercury thingy" (I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. We used to have one on our OLD thermostats! Yes, I'm THAT OLD! LOL!) I don't know WTH is making it do such a thing!!!! I've pretty much ruled out electrical, as I rewired EVERYTHING with fresh wiring! I've ruled out gas, as it has a full tank right now and the carb. looks "normal". Maybe an OIL thing?!?! I know that's weird, but so is the problem and that's the LAST THING LEFT that could do such a thing..... maybe there's a sensor inside of the oil pan?!?!? I know, sounds crazy.... but she's still doing the same 'ol thing! ....I'm just seriously baffled about this!!!! Maybe someone will come along and be able to explain WTH is going on!!! Until then, tilt and die! (no pun intended!) hahahaha!!!! Here's a couple pics of the wiring CLUSTER last night!!! Jeez Louis! I couldn't figure out how to get my "spark" back for the motor - took me a lil while, but I got it! ;D    |
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Post by xxbenjamminxx on Oct 13, 2012 8:07:37 GMT -5
Hey there my cousin has that exact same scooter. Its a Wildfire WFH50-S2 with a different front end plastic on it. (The floor mat is what gave it away for me LOL)
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 13, 2012 8:26:16 GMT -5
Hey there my cousin has that exact same scooter. Its a Wildfire WFH50-S2 with a different front end plastic on it. (The floor mat is what gave it away for me LOL) The floormat?! They're all pretty much the same though lol... I did google the vin and it's a a 2009 Made in obvious China! haha Here's some more pics, though I'm NOT arguing that the plastics are different - someone just kind of slapped this thing together using ALL different plastics! I think I'm going to buy a new kit of plastics from 'ol Scrappydog and repaint flat black... I like the "murdered out" look! Just a pic or two of what it looks like now and with the new "headlight(s)" one is a bicycle light for a "high beam", though I never use it cuz the foglight is WAYYYY more than enough!!! So it's about to go... it just clamps on the handlebars! haha...    |
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 13, 2012 8:35:37 GMT -5
So if it IS INDEED a wildfire...? Which it SEEMS like it could VERY WELL BE after googling some pics! That means I have the "Sunny Style - Type 1 or 2" plastics and such, correct?
EDIT - OH YEA! She's DEFINITELY a WILDFIRE 50!!!!
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Post by xxbenjamminxx on Oct 13, 2012 8:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 13, 2012 8:40:24 GMT -5
Even the front plastic looks the same... it's the same bike! It's just missing the bottom portion of the plastic up front and the light to fill the hole! Plus the plastics that run along the bottom and up the back!
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Post by xxbenjamminxx on Oct 13, 2012 8:43:26 GMT -5
Yup. I knew what it was as soon as I seen it. Been looking for one for parts for my cousin but doesnt seem like a very common bike.
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 13, 2012 8:52:54 GMT -5
Yup. I knew what it was as soon as I seen it. Been looking for one for parts for my cousin but doesnt seem like a very common bike. boss! They have everything you need, just verified it! And it's CHEAP and they ship FAST!!! All body parts for it are under the "Chassis/Bodywork" section. It's the "Chassis #1/Sunny Style" scooter, aka the VERY FIRST ONE! It's the "Type 2" plastics though... NOT the "Type 1" - it holds the "FLAT TYPE" instead of the "curved" front end! |
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Post by xxbenjamminxx on Oct 13, 2012 9:17:44 GMT -5
Thanks I seen that. He needs soooo many parts that it would be better off getting a whole scoot just for parts or use his for parts for another scooter.
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 13, 2012 9:41:44 GMT -5
Thanks I seen that. He needs soooo many parts that it would be better off getting a whole scoot just for parts or use his for parts for another scooter. What parts DOES HE NEED? I may just have them! I have TONS of crap laying around for these things!!! |
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Post by xxbenjamminxx on Oct 13, 2012 10:10:10 GMT -5
He needs the entire front fork setup with shock and the brass nuts that hold the fork tight in the neck of the frame. Needs the bottom plastic pieces, ones along the sides on bottom and the one behind the front wheel. Another cousin hit a tree with it, then gave it to is current owner and now he is fixing it up.
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Post by shotnva777 on Oct 15, 2012 22:42:21 GMT -5
He needs the entire front fork setup with shock and the brass nuts that hold the fork tight in the neck of the frame. Needs the bottom plastic pieces, ones along the sides on bottom and the one behind the front wheel. Another cousin hit a tree with it, then gave it to is current owner and now he is fixing it up. Gotcha... I got a COMPLETE electric bike, has ALL THE PLASTICS for the Sunny Style bike and EVERYTHING ELSE! Shoot me a PM if you're interested! That being said ladies and gents... here's an update!I got a lot of the plastics fixed up and on a LITTLE tighter, but this thing was just literally THROWN together with zip ties and sheetrock screws!!! HAHA! Not even joking the slightest bit.... Nonetheless, I've stripped ALL electronics that I didn't need except the light(s) lines. Motor runs GREAT and REALLY HARD! I have a LOT of rattles and such though, it's EXTREMELY ANNOYING! Not sure if that's from the plastics or just bad bushings/bearings/etc. Hopefully not the latter, as I don't feel like dying and/or getting LOTS of road rash - been there, done THAT! I did however pick up a "performance CDI" and a new "Hot Coil" off a Chinese made 125cc Dirtbike and it stepped it up quite a bit on top end. Bottom end is hurting though, I definitely need to do a COMPLETE tuneup and rejetting! It looks cleaner "under the hood" now, due to the wires being PROPERLY done - God this thing was rigged to the FULLEST! Still can't figure out what's up with the leaning the bike to the left to cut it off, baffles me to this day...! Even AFTER stripping the bike down to bare metal and motor! I did so to tighten up all nuts and bolts, "fix" plastics that are unfixable (lol) and remove/rewire ALL the INSANE wiring that was an absolute bird's nest! So I've come to a decision and here's what I want to do!!!! And I would appreciate some opinions on getting there... I want to turn this into a "knockoff Rukus" **insert evil laugh** I've always loved the ruckus, that's the way I'm going to TRY to make this LOOK like! But in a "different" way! Obviously.... A CHINESE WAY! lol jk!I think the front is KIND OF there, but it's just not "open" enough IMO. The bars are SIMILAR, I'm grabbing a couple ROUND fog lights to wire up there as well - possibly even REAL, RUCKUS lights - if I can find A CHEAP deal and/or an acceptable alternative. Then figure a way to fab them up! The back is the same, too much plastic! The back looks like a "sport bike" (for lack of better "looks" ha!) the way it's set up now, I'm going to grab me a square taillight for back there, try to "box it up" a lil more! I figure the plastics are pretty much screwed, I really don't want them anyways unless they're FLAWLESS, but I don't want this to look like a stripped down scooter either! I have two choices: A. Buy ALL NEW plastics, ignition, rewire everything back and make it back into its STOCK form. Or B. Fab up a cool ass bike that's original, starts like a dirtbike, rides like a "street bike" and is still street legal without a helmet!!! (VA rocks ONLY for this reason! lol!) I think I'm going to just go with option B!!! Strip it ALL down and start from scratch, it's about my ONLY option, but it's DEFINITELY going to take some fabrication... No doubts about it! Thank GOD I can weld, have "good ideas" on fabbing up things and have ALL the tools (and some) I could possibly EVER need to work on a damn bulldozer, MUCH more a scooter! Hehe...  Anyways, what do yall think??? Sound like a decent idea or don't think I can pull it off? My whole issue is seating without the plastics and making this look good and not like a stripped down scooter - as I said before! Any opinions, info, links to this being done before, ideas, etc. are GREATLY APPRECIATED! All of my other scooters have needed nothing but a little tuneup, a couple lil parts here and there (performance mostly!) and to RIDE! This should be a fun project... bring it on people!
Here's my list of things to do before hand:
- Strip bike down AGAIN, check/replace all bushings, bolts, nuts, wheel bearings, etc etc etc!
- Change Gear Oil and Change Engine Oil
- New CLEAR Fuel Lines, Fuel Filter, Vacuum Lines and Petcock
- Left/MAYBE Right Side Mirror(s) - round "retro style"
- Headlight (or foglight(s)) and Taillight assembly
- Kevlar/Gates GY6 Belt
- Scrappydog Jet/Open Filter Combo #88 Main and #38 Idle
- Variator w/ 6 or 7g roller weights
- Fabricate 4 stroke 125cc Dirtbike Muffler and piping onto scoot!
- Yellow Clutch Springs/1.5K
- High Performance Clutch and Bell
- Yellow MAIN clutch spring/1.5K "Stock" (minus the CDI and plug/coil/wire) I'm running a good 40+mph at ALL times - topping around 45! I think it's safe to say, I can expect ATLEAST 5-6 MORE MPH with the above list! This is just from previous scooters holding the same engine, this one REALLY seems to be the strongest and a steady 45+ is ABSOLUTELY FINE with me... especially if it looks the way I like!
Here's a couple pictures of where I stand.... I'll get to stripping and ordering parts within the next few days!     |
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Though it HAS to have different rollers in it, it has good topend too though AND gets there d*** quick! Duno... The entire front end is messed up, someone just kind of slapped up different plastics on to make it look somewhat "decent" and "murdered" it out. It also lacks a battery (must kick start - turns over instantly) and has no headlight(s), turn signals, brake light(s), etc... It lacks a "twist throttle" as well, it's been "rigged" to engage the carb by the right brake lever! It has no gauge cluster and no electronics work, not even a key! Ha! Ok with me, ALL the wiring is still there and will be fixed in time - to an EXTENT!
He had a bicycle headlight attached to the handle bars and a bicycle "taillight" as well via zip-ties....... yea... EXACTLY!
I have no use for an on/off switch for the lights, just as long as they're on while the bike is on! 
That'd be TOO SICK!
