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Post by phoenix2518 on Oct 2, 2012 22:01:31 GMT -5
Hey, guys. Pretty self-explanatory question, I guess. I'm riding a TaoTao ATM50, and I think it's restricted because of my state's 30 MPH limit. The thing is supposed to go 40 to 45, but I can only go 35 and that's downhill. I just want to make sure it's not because of my weight - I'm 220 pounds. Is that a big enough deal?
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Post by millsc on Oct 2, 2012 22:07:33 GMT -5
35 gps or speedo?
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Post by carasdad on Oct 2, 2012 22:16:22 GMT -5
I tend to believe they base that speed on the average 125lb or so Chinese kid that sweeps the shop floors. No offense intended but it tells in most booklets that come with them the max weight limit...which is I think about 200lbs. DOES NOT mean you can't get more speed. Many simple and low cost things can be done to get ya moving faster. Lighter variator roller weights for one...will put your engine in its peak power output range... Btw..they are not restricted by individual state...(I used to sell them new) They go by the strict laws of Commiefornia...as they have no clue what state it will be sold in...and what that states regs are...so we ALL get stuck with a slow smog reducing scoot. But as I said...it is an easy fix.. Glenn
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Post by stiv625 on Oct 2, 2012 22:25:43 GMT -5
I'm 208lbs and my Tao Tao 50 does 38-40mph on flats and over 50 mph (both GPS speed) down hills before the RPM's scream too bad It takes a lot of small tweaks. Adjusting the carb, intake, valve lash, variator weights/CVT tuning, etc. Generally what slows down heavier riders the most is too heavy of variator weights which keep your RPMs too low I think. That made the biggest difference for me, going from 8g to 4g weights.
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Post by prodigit on Oct 2, 2012 22:27:58 GMT -5
Speed will be affected a little.
First increased weight means increased volume. Increased volume means increased wind resistance. But even then it is possible that a skinny guy with a large leather jacket gobs just as much wind.
Second, there's the weight issue itself, the tires deflate a bit more, rolling resistance increases. It's only minimal though.
The biggest issues, that top speed is harder to attain with heavy rider's weight, is: 1- hill riding (reduced climbability) 2- If there's a stretch of say a mile, and you are racing versus a very skinny guy, and take out of account the wind resistance, and rolling resistance, the skinny guy may much quicker reach to his top speed because of inertia. Perhaps 1/10th along the way the skinny guy is already driving at 40MPH, while it may take you double, or triple the time (and/or distance) to get to that speed.
That's probably the biggest reason, as most of the time, you won't really drive WOT long enough to get to the top speed.
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Post by millsc on Oct 2, 2012 22:29:06 GMT -5
get the big pig stiv best investment i spent on my scoot
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Post by stiv625 on Oct 2, 2012 22:55:34 GMT -5
get the big pig stiv best investment i spent on my scoot you know you know! ordered the power pack today!! Didn't get the exhaust, I know you love it, but I'm going to have fun building my own. Can't wait to tear my scoot apart next week and build her the RIGHT way this time.
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Post by finaljudgement on Oct 2, 2012 23:08:39 GMT -5
I have a lifan 50 cc. I weigh 210 and top end at 45 mph per gps.
Findaljudgement
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Post by jlee on Oct 2, 2012 23:27:53 GMT -5
get the big pig stiv best investment i spent on my scoot Pardon my ignorance, but what's a Big Pig?
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Post by skuttadawg on Oct 2, 2012 23:31:36 GMT -5
A big bore kit which is a larger piston and cylinder
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Post by stiv625 on Oct 2, 2012 23:36:08 GMT -5
get the big pig stiv best investment i spent on my scoot Pardon my ignorance, but what's a Big Pig? A play on big bore ("boar" aka pig, swine) kit
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Post by doomsday on Oct 2, 2012 23:40:30 GMT -5
I have a tao tao 50cc (secret 63) and at 295lbs I can do 42mph gps verified. Only real changes done to the scooter was adding a windshield and changing out the sparkplug and lower weights for the rollers.
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Post by stiv625 on Oct 2, 2012 23:51:38 GMT -5
I have a tao tao 50cc (secret 63) and at 295lbs I can do 42mph gps verified. Only real changes done to the scooter was adding a windshield and changing out the sparkplug and lower weights for the rollers. Windshield is crucial, especially for bigger riders. In some lap time tests I ran, I was consistently 1.5-3.0 MPH faster with an aerodynamic buffer. I need to get a legit windshield ASAP. I took my "ghetto shield" off after a few days b/c the 3 MPH wasn't worth the strange looks and questions along the sidewalk on campus everyday lol...
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Post by prelude2fast on Oct 2, 2012 23:52:27 GMT -5
I havent been able to verify my top speed, but ik b4 bbk it was 48mph on gps... But I have been doing alot of dialing in since then.. Should be close to 50 tho..
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using proboards
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Post by millsc on Oct 3, 2012 0:18:47 GMT -5
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Post by doomsday on Oct 3, 2012 0:50:35 GMT -5
I have a tao tao 50cc (secret 63) and at 295lbs I can do 42mph gps verified. Only real changes done to the scooter was adding a windshield and changing out the sparkplug and lower weights for the rollers. Windshield is crucial, especially for bigger riders. In some lap time tests I ran, I was consistently 1.5-3.0 MPH faster with an aerodynamic buffer. I need to get a legit windshield ASAP. I took my "ghetto shield" off after a few days b/c the 3 MPH wasn't worth the strange looks and questions along the sidewalk on campus everyday lol... Yep. some people didn't believe me when I said my windshield added 3mph or so to my speed. If you just think about it, the wind is hitting a big fat blob (in my case anyway hehe) and you put a windshield on there and now all that air is going around me. Less resistance! Of course the biggest boost for me was going to 5g sliders. the rollers that were in mine was around 8g or so if I remember correctly. My top speed was around 30mph and going uphill was around 8mph. Afterwards, my uphill was around 20mph or so and my flat speed was around 40-42mph. I have never gotten to ride on a long flat stretch of road to see how much higher it can get, the roads in the area I live in are curvy and slightly uphill or downhill for the most part (with some big uphill areas that I try to avoid lol). I am thinking if I could get a good long stretch of road, it could top out around 45.
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Post by phoenix2518 on Oct 3, 2012 9:23:30 GMT -5
Jeez, didn't think I'd get so many replies so fast. Thanks! It definitely sounds like the thing shouldn't be so slow and is restricted. I figured - trying to keep up with traffic and having cars ahead quickly pull away from me was depressing. -_- I popped open the scooter before, and I think I'm out of my league trying to mess with it. Just gonna take it back to the dealer and hope I don't get charged too much for a handful of little tweaks.
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Post by stiv625 on Oct 3, 2012 10:06:42 GMT -5
Jeez, didn't think I'd get so many replies so fast. Thanks! It definitely sounds like the thing shouldn't be so slow and is restricted. I figured - trying to keep up with traffic and having cars ahead quickly pull away from me was depressing. -_- I popped open the scooter before, and I think I'm out of my league trying to mess with it. Just gonna take it back to the dealer and hope I don't get charged too much for a handful of little tweaks. I know it can seem intimidating at first but if you take your time it really isn't that bad and it can feel just as rewarding to DO the upgrades as it is to FEEL them Buy some lighter (4 or 5 grams) variator weights, be it rollers or sliders (thats a whole nother debate...). It would be good to know how to remove the CVT cover and take off the belt & variator for future reference anyways incase you ever get stranded by a broken belt.
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Post by millsc on Oct 3, 2012 10:08:13 GMT -5
invest in an impact wrench got mine at harbor freight for a good price impact, charger and at least a basic mechanic tool kit is a must
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Post by phoenix2518 on Oct 3, 2012 22:10:37 GMT -5
I agree, it would be great to learn how to do these things myself, but I don't have the time. This scooter is intended to be my primary means of transportation, and I need it ASAP. However, I'll remember your tips for the future. Thanks!
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Post by onewheeldrive on Oct 3, 2012 22:54:43 GMT -5
I can cruise at 40+ (not a secret 60) all day long on flats with everything running smoothly, totally stock scooter and I weigh about 140. I prob have an avg. of 8g rollers in there too.. (but ONLY with a cheap belt, or they'd be around 6-7g sliders/rollers with a Gates)
Acceleration for my weight compared to the average Joe, should favor me. If we all ride so-and-so's scoot, that'd be a good measure---although some people are quick off the gun...
Actually thought about buying a 60cc top end.
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Post by skuttadawg on Oct 4, 2012 0:21:16 GMT -5
Jog then jog with a loaded back pack and see how much diff it is to get an idea on that .
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Post by mainepeace on Oct 4, 2012 0:42:37 GMT -5
Exactly skuttadawg. Think of how hard it is to push a Harley, even when it is in neutral.
Greg
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