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Post by joefl28 on Aug 14, 2012 15:18:43 GMT -5
Yeah,It automixes,
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 14, 2012 15:19:42 GMT -5
Its really a nice scooter,after the initial "why didnt you get a motorcycle"bs from people I know,seems everyone likes it now go figure
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Post by viral on Aug 14, 2012 15:29:24 GMT -5
Daaaamn that's the main reason I didn't get a 2-stroke, mixing oil. I would love to have a scoot like yours, all the benefits of a 2 stroke without the drawback of having to mix oil!
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 14, 2012 15:36:23 GMT -5
I hear ya.I am actually intending to sell it towards another bike,a 150 or a 200cc,thinking a sym hd200 or a honda relflex,
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Post by carasdad on Aug 14, 2012 18:29:14 GMT -5
Daaaamn that's the main reason I didn't get a 2-stroke, mixing oil. I would love to have a scoot like yours, all the benefits of a 2 stroke without the drawback of having to mix oil! My Jonway Wasp 2 stroke has automix...but I premix...I have worked on too many customer bikes....where the cheap Chinese oil pump(copy of the Mikuni) failed...and seized the engine. If it is just a soft seize...I replace the pump with a real Mikuni pump...and never saw one fail....
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 14, 2012 18:37:42 GMT -5
Okay...dumb question guys.Where is the carb?Please take a moment to laugh and then kindly respond I removed the airbox on the left side of it towards the front.I believe its right next to it,Do i have to remove the foot area?Im gonna get this if I have to take my sweet ol time,I have zip lock bags and a marker to put screws into.God forbid I lose anything
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 14, 2012 18:43:41 GMT -5
ummm okay yep if all else fails read the instructions,gotta remove the foot rest...sigh...
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Post by skuttadawg on Aug 14, 2012 19:24:34 GMT -5
Open the seat there should be an access panel at the bottom . The whole seat bucket can be removed to access the carb and engine instead of messing with the body panels
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 14, 2012 19:54:07 GMT -5
Oh ok,the manual I have on the scooter says to take off the left side panel and the foot rest and the air box,thing is I removed all of that but you still have to remove the right side panel as well it appears.No biggie.Under the seat when I open it there are screws and what not,I recall removing the two before that let me pull out the battery box,I take it if I remove all the screws I can pull the whole seat out?Makes sense.
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Post by carasdad on Aug 14, 2012 19:55:07 GMT -5
Okay...dumb question guys.Where is the carb?Please take a moment to laugh and then kindly respond I removed the airbox on the left side of it towards the front.I believe its right next to it,Do i have to remove the foot area?Im gonna get this if I have to take my sweet ol time,I have zip lock bags and a marker to put screws into.God forbid I lose anything On the Vino...you can't get the seat bucket out...unless you remove all the panels. Remove front one first(only has one screw in the center of it). Work that out slowly.Then remove your side panels..get all the screws..and look close as some of them are kinda hidden. Lift the side panel up..slightly...then pull back gently so you don't break off the plastic tabs that keep it in place. Let them hang...or unplug the rear signal wires and set them aside. Remove your rear rack( you will notice that 2 of the rack bolts hold the seat bucket in)...once rack is removed...the seat bucket can be lifted out. From there you will now have access to the carb. DO NOT remove the 4 bolts holding the intake manifold(Rubber tube the carb goes into) DO NOT remove that part.They use a Mylar and rubber gasket under the reed block...and if you take that part off..you will need to order a new gasket. In other words...remove the carb only. I don't remove the carb on Minarelli engines to clean the jets...I simply rotate and turn it upside down to remove the float bowl screws so I can get at the jets. I know all of this sounds complicated and like a lot of work...but it is not. Take your time and you can do it. I never understood why the Vino's where designed as they are...so that you must remove all the panels just to get to the carb....but they are.Keep the faith..YOU CAN do it. Let us know how it comes out...and ask if you need any help...
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 14, 2012 20:14:56 GMT -5
Hey thanks Carasdad! I put it up for the night,removed both the left and right side panels as well as the foot panel and lower front panel thats in front of the seat.My manual does not mention needing to remove the seat or anything to get to the carb.Not that Im discounting the advice either.I should still be able to access it without removing the seat and the rear part right?I did the smart thing and took all the screws from each section removed so far including air box and stuck them in ziplock bags,labeled them accordingly.Put the scooter in the garage all with the sides and other parts.Screws are safe with me.Tomarrow after work I will finish this!I tried to start the scooter with out the air box on,didnt work to well?How come?I bought a can of "gumout carb and choke cleaner"to use on the carb,now bad idea,or should I purchase something else and take the whole carberator apart and soak it overnight.One of the people on you tube did that.Is that really necessary or should I focus on using the spray on the jets?Im gonna get this!I appreciate everyones help you have all been awesome!
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Post by carasdad on Aug 14, 2012 21:49:28 GMT -5
Hey thanks Carasdad! I put it up for the night,removed both the left and right side panels as well as the foot panel and lower front panel thats in front of the seat.My manual does not mention needing to remove the seat or anything to get to the carb.Not that Im discounting the advice either.I should still be able to access it without removing the seat and the rear part right?I did the smart thing and took all the screws from each section removed so far including air box and stuck them in ziplock bags,labeled them accordingly.Put the scooter in the garage all with the sides and other parts.Screws are safe with me.Tomarrow after work I will finish this!I tried to start the scooter with out the air box on,didnt work to well?How come?I bought a can of "gumout carb and choke cleaner"to use on the carb,now bad idea,or should I purchase something else and take the whole carberator apart and soak it overnight.One of the people on you tube did that.Is that really necessary or should I focus on using the spray on the jets?Im gonna get this!I appreciate everyones help you have all been awesome! Zip lock bags....--> Good call! That is what I do...use the tiny zip lock bags..put the screws n bolts I remove..and tape them to the area they belong to. Gum out carb cleaner is good..it will work. You don't have to remove the seat to get to the carb on that scoot...but if you don't.....the only access you will have is to the back of the carb...ya won't be able to reach the float bowl to clean it out. When you clean the carb...remove the jets to spray them..otherwise the debris that is in them...just gets blown deeper into the carb. Use the red tube that came with the carb cleaner and spray every orifice you see inside the carb. Take out the pilot(idle jet...it is the small diameter one)...hold it up to the sunlight...if you can't see light..it's plugged.Find a wire thin enough to pass through it..ONLY after it has been removed. As I said before..I use a piece of wire guitar string...and in a pinch...I stripped the plastic off of a bread tie and used that wire to gently clean the jet. If you soak your jets...you will still need to blow air through them to get the crud out. or use wire as above. Keep us posted....you are doing a great job....and see..you didn't think you could do it...
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 15, 2012 9:30:35 GMT -5
Okay,got up this morning and removed the rear rack,that was easy.Removed the 2 screws and 2 bolts from under the seat.Ok thats done.So at this point the seat should just but come out,right?Dont see anything on the sides holding it in.The oil tank was bolted on to it,part of it was anyways.Removed that bolt.My scooter looks like a robot now lol!Anyways Im gonna look at the manual gain.Under seat removal and see if it shows any screws im missing somewhere.If so Im not seeing them.
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Post by OverReved on Aug 15, 2012 9:55:07 GMT -5
Check for two screws or bolts toward the back of the seat that bolt to the sides from the outside of the bike. You may have to remove the side covers to access it.
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 15, 2012 10:01:30 GMT -5
Both side covers are off,im gonna go take a closer look at it,Thanks overreved
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 15, 2012 10:11:45 GMT -5
Ok I went back out,from what it looks like the white section in the back,the area where the rack was attached to would have to come off as well.Thing is the manual does not describe removing that.In the far rear of course is the brake light and turn signals.It looks like those would have to be removed to get the white section off.This is all assuming that white section has to come off to even remove the seat.What am I doing wrong?
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Post by OverReved on Aug 15, 2012 10:17:12 GMT -5
I'm not there, just take the parts off. The bolts aren't one use only, and sometimes it's better to just remove a few extra parts for clarity. Have fun!
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 15, 2012 10:20:43 GMT -5
Good point,I will consider it as a learning experience in that respect,when I get back from work Im going to remove the break section in the rear and then the white section.Thanks
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Post by carasdad on Aug 15, 2012 11:54:51 GMT -5
Ok I went back out,from what it looks like the white section in the back,the area where the rack was attached to would have to come off as well.Thing is the manual does not describe removing that.In the far rear of course is the brake light and turn signals.It looks like those would have to be removed to get the white section off.This is all assuming that white section has to come off to even remove the seat.What am I doing wrong? yes...the rear fender has to come off too. Ya gotta take the gas cap off to get the fender off...the seat bucket is being held in back by those parts.. As I told ya before...and you are finding out...ALL body panels have to be removed on a Vino to get to the carb. Crazy huh? Even the floor board may need the 2 back bolts removed.. But hang in there Champ...you are doing good!!!
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Post by viral on Aug 15, 2012 12:04:16 GMT -5
Wowow thats rough, 4 bolts and my seat is off with full access to the carb.
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Post by carasdad on Aug 15, 2012 13:14:51 GMT -5
Wowow thats rough, 4 bolts and my seat is off with full access to the carb. Same with my Jonway Wasp 2 stroker and the 3 Sunny scoots we own. 4 bolts..pull the bucket...and you have access to everything. To install the BBK's...pull the bucket..pull the one front panel...and yer there. But the Vino has to come completely apart!.. In fact in order to change the plug...you gotta remove the bottom 'belly pan'...or the the whole panel in front of the eat. Twist n Go Venice and nearly all retro style scoots are like that. When I see one roll into my shop...I just shake my head and say to myself.."Oh Gawd...I hope they just need air in a tire..mirrors adjusted...new headlight bulb...something simple..Dear Heavenly father..please do not make this a carb or engine problem"
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 15, 2012 14:14:28 GMT -5
Thanks guys,At least I know what I have to do now.It was worse feeling like I came to a wall.At the same time with you saying you dread these types of scooter im terrified now ha ha!
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 15, 2012 15:22:15 GMT -5
Ok I finally got to the inside of it all!Seat off and all that.Did not have to remove the brake light assembly thank god.No where the heck is the carb?!?!Is it hooked to the airbox,I see a hose running to where my airbox was.I removed that a while ago.Lots of wires and lil tubes.Looks pretty dirty if it is the carb in looking at...
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 15, 2012 15:31:19 GMT -5
Ok guys this is the awesome moment of truth lol,gotta find out if its a mess or not.Then again I gotta figure out how to even get it out of there,or turn it around as carasdad suggested to me.
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 15, 2012 17:11:28 GMT -5
Ok now this is frustrating,Im so close...Carasdad you mentioned spinning it around?How do i do that?There is a hose running from part of the carb to the engine,you mention NOT messing with that,seems pretty tight with that attached.i removed a pin or something like that from the top and one screw from the bottom that i can reach from the side of the scooter,the other screw on the bottom of it is on the other side of the bottom and realy hard to get to.is there a way to turn it around?maybe im trying to hard lol....
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 15, 2012 18:33:46 GMT -5
Okay,honestly I have no idea how to "spin it around"the one screw that goes to the house or the part that runs to the carb i figure was keeping it tight,so i loosened it a bit,funny how its placed in such a way you have to use every curseword in the alphabet before the first turn lol...that didnt do much,I was able to loosen up the throttle assembly a bit as the manual says to do,that really doesnt make it possible to spin it around either.SHould I remove stuff completly or what?I dont smoke but im taking smoke breaks if you get my drift.This all seems like it should be done and yet all im doing is watching gas drain out of the carb....i tilted it as i tried to turn it around a little and gas runs out of one of the bottom holes ahhhhhhh!!!I need a drink,wait I dont drink.....sigh
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Post by carasdad on Aug 15, 2012 18:58:50 GMT -5
Okay,honestly I have no idea how to "spin it around"the one screw that goes to the house or the part that runs to the carb i figure was keeping it tight,so i loosened it a bit,funny how its placed in such a way you have to use every curseword in the alphabet before the first turn lol...that didnt do much,I was able to loosen up the throttle assembly a bit as the manual says to do,that really doesnt make it possible to spin it around either.SHould I remove stuff completly or what?I dont smoke but im taking smoke breaks if you get my drift.This all seems like it should be done and yet all im doing is watching gas drain out of the carb....i tilted it as i tried to turn it around a little and gas runs out of one of the bottom holes ahhhhhhh!!!I need a drink,wait I dont drink.....sigh joefl28..first...when I said I dread seeing those come in...it's not because they are bad scoots...in fact I think they kick ss...what I dread that I charge by the hour..and well....you saw how long it took to take off all those panels? The customer pays for that time...even for something as quick and simple as cracked vacuum or fuel lines. But I have to charge for that...'cause...well we mechanical guys gotta eat too ya know.. Ok now for the carb...you should have a hose clamp holding it in...not a pin...a pin?..not even sure what you pulled out. If it won't rotate.loosen the hose clamp well..pull the carb back out of that rubber tube it is in. btw I don't drink either...but I think once this is done...we should go hit the Pub..knock back a few cold ones..and call that a new hobby. soo anyway...don't rotate it...loosen the hose clamp on the rubber tube the carb goes into...wiggle it a bit and pull it out of the tube. Voila' now it is out and can be turned upside down...once it is upside down....take out the bowl screws. Also...don't cry over the gas that dripped out...it always happens...that is normal if we don't drain the bowl first...but fear not..you are rich..and gas is only 4 bux a gallon...so you can replace it. By the time you are done with this...you probably will be a fully certified ASE Scooter Mechanic...and be writing manuals for the other junior guys n gals on here. If it won't turn upside down by going left...then try going right...cause sometimes your auto choke(enricher) cable..is zip tied to the frame..snip that zip tie if you need to. Anyway...now that you have the carb out...get to work...and stop dreaming of the day when you have your own scoot repair shop...and will just love going through this on a daily basis..lmao... Keep us posted Mr Goodwrench...
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 15, 2012 19:18:18 GMT -5
Ha ha ha!I must admit you have an awesome sense of humor considering you do this a lot.Now that I know I can pull the hose out of the side of it Im not so lost,I was afraid of pulling it off,as for the gas I spilled out Im not so much worried about it myself but Im using my landlords barn to do all this,its more like a massive garage with a zillion tools everywhere (kinda a messy guy)When he smells that gas that got on the floor he will get all OCD about it and explain how careful I should be etc etc...hes pretty strange considering how much crap is literally piled up in that barn.Thanks for putting up with my chronic stupidity lol.You sir get an A for that!
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Post by joefl28 on Aug 17, 2012 10:08:23 GMT -5
Ok after getting a bit confused,this being my first time working on anything like this,I got my scooter running again!!!Its not stalling out at all,idling nicely,Carasdad,thankyou sir!You have been a hugeeeee help to me.If it wasnt for you taking the time out of your day to help me through email im afraid it might still be in the same shape it was.I can not thank you enough.You say you run a shop correct?Do you have a website?
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Post by carasdad on Aug 17, 2012 11:28:58 GMT -5
yw...no thanks needed...that is what this forum is for. Glad I (we..you and I) were able to get you up and running again. Many disagree or argue with my posts...but hey..everyone is entitled to their opinion and nothing with these Chinese scoots can be one sided. Because each scooter has its own personality and it is hard to diagnose without 'hands on' or good in depth info from the person needing help. To answer your question...no I do not have a website... I just get parts from my wholesaler to sell and use to repair scoots for locals in all the small towns around us. Looking for a new wholesaler as mine is almost ALWAYS out of common parts annoying. Now that ya got er running...ride like hell as September is approaching soon...and then..that God awful 4 month period they call winter. We do however ride all winter up here in Michigan...snow or no snow..as long as the roads are clean and clear. Funny part is..snowmobilers always say..."Dude you gotta be freezing your gonads off riding in the winter" To which I reply..."No colder than you are..when I am cruising 30 and you are going 70 on that thing"...lmao...they never think about that... ;D Semper Fidelis....and happy scooting!
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