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Post by Lukain on Aug 24, 2012 18:19:49 GMT -5
MBE is trying to adjust the delivery. Hopefully it goes well.
Stator, flywheel and fan is back on. Variator is back on as well. I was able to rig my gear puller so I could use my impact wrench to punch out the 13t gear. Going to try using the oven to heat up the larger gear, and "freeze" the new 16t. I tryed some other ways and it just wasn't working. If the heating/freezing trick don't work going i'm gonna have to find a place to press them for me. So far so good.
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Post by Lukain on Aug 25, 2012 18:18:43 GMT -5
Alright, I was unable to get the two gears to go together using the heat/freeze method. Found a machine shop that was open today and they pressed the gears together for me for free.  Installed the transmission gears,sealed the transmisson case. Installed the new clutch. CVT system is back together. All things on hold til maybe thursday or friday(aug. 30-31). Hopefully by then the spacer will be here and I can finish up. Thank you all for keeping tabs on me and checking on my progress, means a lot. Attachments:
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Post by Lukain on Sept 7, 2012 13:47:49 GMT -5
Frigging finally. I received the spacer today. Gonna run out for a few items then hopefully!!hopefully!! I will be finished with my rebuild portion.
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Post by Lukain on Sept 7, 2012 19:02:38 GMT -5
when using the 2.3mm spacer I am left with gap above the piston of roughly 1mm+. Does the piston need to be flush at the top when TDC or can I have this 1mm+ space abovethe piston head?
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Post by Lukain on Sept 7, 2012 22:57:36 GMT -5
Found an answer and rolling with it regarding the large combustion chamber.
Most of Sally is back together. Still working on getting the new muffler hung. Had to stop due to storms rolling through the area.
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Post by sledwrecker on Sept 8, 2012 1:56:32 GMT -5
I noticed that my stock cylinder has at least a 2mm gap so I believe there is supposed to be some. I'm curious, what did your source say?  |
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Post by Lukain on Sept 8, 2012 2:13:13 GMT -5
Awesome pic and reply sled, thank you. It was another that did a +3mm stroker. The answer was the same.
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Post by Lukain on Sept 8, 2012 18:45:25 GMT -5
Well.....SHE LIVES!!!!!!
Still have to adjust the carb and what not, but she is alive!!!
She starts with quick push of the starter button. She revs nice. If I goose her a lot she does backfire.(All this for the moment is on the center stand)
More update to come...Gots to get back t fiddlin with her.
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Post by Lukain on Sept 9, 2012 0:22:25 GMT -5
Still havn't been able to take her out on the road for long(wasn't dressed for it) but what I have seen so far is she will sputter a little at a full thottle take off. When in motion she will move to 60 fairly quick. While at 40 chinometer then going to WOT she continues to climb higher in mph at a nice rate and at low rpm(by sound,I have no tach). At 60 chinometers the rpm are still low and still mph climb. At this moment I don't wish to really get on her since I still havn't done air/fuel adjustments and still breaking her in of course.
But I see potional in what is there.
Either my belt is slipping and I need to replace it and maybe lightly sand the clutch pads also, or i am not used to 1k rpm springs. Seems there is a slight delay in acceleration. Also, while I had the CVT cover off I ran the engine and watch the CVT. A puff of belt dust poofs out when the clutch engages. Is this normal?
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Post by Lukain on Sept 9, 2012 10:55:47 GMT -5
And she's down.
Went out this morning to get gas and spend the day trying to tweak her and ....after getting gas and merging into traffic I lost power. Pulled her into a parking lot, called to get a ride back home to get tools.(Was hoping that it was the belt)
Got back to her(was thankfully only a 5 minutes car ride away) and took off a few body panles to access the CVT cover. Remove the CVT cover and sadly the belt was intact. From there did a quick look to ensure my grounds were ok, spark plug was secure, fuel in filter, then took the head cover off. And there she was...sitting in a clump at the front...chain all bunched up...
I had a worry that it might happen considering how tight the chain was when I put it back on with the spacer. Gonna count the pins to see what the stock size was then order either a 92link or 94link timing chain.
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Post by sharks06lly on Sept 9, 2012 12:20:24 GMT -5
And she's down. Went out this morning to get gas and spend the day trying to tweak her and ....after getting gas and merging into traffic I lost power. Pulled her into a parking lot, called to get a ride back home to get tools.(Was hoping that it was the belt) Got back to her(was thankfully only a 5 minutes car ride away) and took off a few body panles to access the CVT cover. Remove the CVT cover and sadly the belt was intact. From there did a quick look to ensure my grounds were ok, spark plug was secure, fuel in filter, then took the head cover off. And there she was...sitting in a clump at the front...chain all bunched up... I had a worry that it might happen considering how tight the chain was when I put it back on with the spacer. Gonna count the pins to see what the stock size was then order either a 92link or 94link timing chain Well Bright side is that it was only the chain, once she is fully broken in I'd love more results, I am a big guy and very performance orientated and would like to do most of the mods you have done so keep up the good work |
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Post by Lukain on Sept 9, 2012 18:43:05 GMT -5
Thanks sharks Counted the pins on the old chain and it was a 45 link chain(Different suppliers count these different. Some say to count the pins others say count the links.). Appears to be a clean break. Going to order a 46 link chain from partsforscooters.com on thursday and pop it, take off the head and use some hemo's or something to pull the chain over and around the crankshaft. I may reget this by not ripping apart the case to ensure nothing is laying around...Then again, after I am done being pissed off for not using a 46 link after seeing how tight the 45 link was, I may grumble and hem and haw and take her completely apart again... |
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Post by rbrooks1 on Sept 11, 2012 2:37:12 GMT -5
Man, I spent so long reading all this. I was seriously like, "YES!" when you said she lives! Then, sadly, I scrolled down to see you immediately say shes down, and I got sad quick  I'm glad everything has worked out so far and from what it sounds like as soon as you get that new chain you'll be set! Good job. PS: Please don't forget you are in the 'breaking-in stage'. I'd hate for you to get to happy and blow all this time/work/money in a heartbeat. Don't forget that! And again, good job and congratulations. |
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Post by noday on Sept 11, 2012 7:50:49 GMT -5
something to keep in mind. I saw a thread some time ago where a guy had to change the chain. he was able to do it by removing the grease seal behind the variator. that allowed direct view of the crank sprocket and manipulation of the chain. at the end said it went much easier than expected.
there were several pics . sorry I did not save the link & I don't recall the forum either.
anyway it is an option to keep in your back pocket
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Post by Lukain on Sept 11, 2012 8:44:42 GMT -5
Wilie, Orpansoul,Overreved, and to all else, thank you. Without your advice when I first started I would have been up @#$%creek using my hands for a paddle. Granted, I have more to go but wanted to say this at least now before I forget. This rebuild has been a long...long time in the works. Without your info and support when I started I know I would have not of had as easy of a first time start as I did. Also wish to thank Rick at NULU Scooters in Louisville. He has from time to time been able to help me with small items here and there for either free or dirt cheap. For me it is the small things that people do that says so much. rbrooks1, Thanks I tryed to impart as much of my emotions in that simple short line to others so that if they wished they could share in my joy and happiness. Was trying to take it easy with her. When I took her out on the first 2 test runs I wasn't really getting on her. I happened to notice when I looked down that it was reading 60 chinometers. Happened so quick with low rpm sound that I first didn't have time to really notice that she climbed up that fast. Was shocked. After I get a new chain on her I definitely intend to baby her. I loved her when I first got her and I have that feeling all over again, but now of a deeper mindset to protect and care for her more than before. (Also, I know volumes more regarding scooters now than when I first got her from here and just plan trial and error. She will be better cared from from here on out.) Noday, hrmmm thank you. Gonna look into that. Would be nice to thread the chain through without having to do much, and that isn't to hard that way. Gonna ponder it. |
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Post by sharks06lly on Sept 11, 2012 13:16:55 GMT -5
Man the more i read about threads with people dropping bbk in there 150s it makes me want to tinker with mine and i havent even really driven mine. i was surfing parts the just yesterday and found a efi kit for them and there is a turbo that will fit how freaking cool would that be lol
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Post by Lukain on Sept 11, 2012 14:09:51 GMT -5
EFI is nice. Maybe one day... Turbo...I don't know. I have seen postings of it as well, but I need to do more research.
hehe, I know what you mean. When I first got her I resisted the bug to tinker too much and also because all the shops around where I live advised against it.
From what I have done so far and quickly experienced I am so far very happy I took this route. If nothing else I have learned a lot about my scoot, gained more tools, and absorbed a ton of info by reading all the threads on this forum during my rebuild. Before I had no confidence in troubleshooting my scoot, now after reading post by many different people and mentioning the same issues and getting consistently the same responses I know what to look,listen, and feel for and how to fix.
Recently got a new phone(my first smartphone) so pictures are lacking for the moment. Once I figure it out(don't wanna use up data when not near my WiFi point) I will start posting more pics. I intend at the end to do a brief video of her.
Now that I am closer to the end of this part my thoughts are toward maybe body mods and a new paint. Don't wanna say much on this still cause it is evolving still. But I will be using Christmas lights for ground effect and port lighting. Also intend to cut into portions of my body panels to accent certain things. I found that a string of 180ct LED lights only pulls 14.5 watts snicker...Why pay $20 dollars for a small strip when I can tactfully run the whole scoot. Plus because it is a string I can switch out the light color in certain areas so I can have as an example purple underglow with green port glow and in areas that I modify the bodypanels I can have lights to accent that as wheel. I saw in the how to section a thread on reflective rim tape. I like that and will be looking into it.
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Post by sharks06lly on Sept 11, 2012 14:23:20 GMT -5
EFI is nice. Maybe one day... Turbo...I don't know. I have seen postings of it as well, but I need to do more research. hehe, I know what you mean. When I first got her I resisted the bug to tinker too much and also because all the shops around where I live advised against it. From what I have done so far and quickly experienced I am so far very happy I took this route. If nothing else I have learned a lot about my scoot, gained more tools, and absorbed a ton of info by reading all the threads on this forum during my rebuild. Before I had no confidence in troubleshooting my scoot, now after reading post by many different people and mentioning the same issues and getting consistently the same responses I know what to look,listen, and feel for and how to fix. Recently got a new phone(my first smartphone) so pictures are lacking for the moment. Once I figure it out(don't wanna use up data when not near my WiFi point) I will start posting more pics. I intend at the end to do a brief video of her. Now that I am closer to the end of this part my thoughts are toward maybe body mods and a new paint. Don't wanna say much on this still cause it is evolving still. But I will be using Christmas lights for ground effect and port lighting. Also intend to cut into portions of my body panels to accent certain things. I found that a string of 180ct LED lights only pulls 14.5 watts snicker...Why pay $20 dollars for a small strip when I can tactfully run the whole scoot. Plus because it is a string I can switch out the light color in certain areas so I can have as an example purple underglow with green port glow and in areas that I modify the bodypanels I can have lights to accent that as wheel. I saw in the how to section a thread on reflective rim tape. I like that and will be looking into it. Hmm that isnt a bad idea i was looking at led lighting at autozone and for a small strip kit it was 25 bucks. that seems like a much better price. efi is what i got most excited about just because i think it would really awaken the tru potential of the motor. id love to replace all my body panels but i cant find anyone that even has the same scooter much less body parts for it. |
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Post by Lukain on Sept 17, 2012 19:05:14 GMT -5
Parts from Mainely Scooters arrived today! Greg you are awesome! Thank you!! Going to the down to the garage and burn the midnight oil....
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Post by Lukain on Sept 17, 2012 21:47:38 GMT -5
View of V8 muffler with chrome fan cover Had to cut some of the underside of the body panel right above the tip of the muffler to allow for clearance when the shock compresses. Attachments:
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Post by Lukain on Sept 17, 2012 21:50:37 GMT -5
View of Sally from the right-side. Have some body panels missing due to having to take the top end off to get the new chain on her. The fuel filter seen in pic is at the end of the vent hose for the gas tank. Had to do some serious thinking when hanging the muffler. I got it to work but it does throw off the lines of the scooter by being so upswept. It is something that may or may not grow on me. Later I may look at adjusting it. Attachments:
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Post by Lukain on Sept 17, 2012 21:54:50 GMT -5
She's a beauty Attachments:
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Post by Lukain on Sept 17, 2012 22:17:43 GMT -5
New CVT case. Also changed the old belt out and put in a Gates powerlink 842-20-30 Attachments:
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Post by Lukain on Sept 17, 2012 22:19:56 GMT -5
Top view of NCY head and Cylinder. Carb off due to having to put a new timing chain in. Attachments:
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Post by Lukain on Sept 17, 2012 22:21:05 GMT -5
Tight space to work in Attachments:
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Post by Lukain on Sept 17, 2012 22:25:25 GMT -5
I like the look of the new kickstand. I have a chrome center stand but I have to do some simple changes to make it work. At least I hope it will be simple...We shall see. Attachments:
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Post by Lukain on Sept 17, 2012 23:50:08 GMT -5
View of ncy piston head at TDC. Unable to take head off completely due to frame bracing. The ncy cooling fins are larger than the stock head. I can see down to the spocket where the chain goes. Going to go to NAPA and see if they will pop the chain for me then I will go from there. Attachments:
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Post by Lukain on Sept 18, 2012 16:56:05 GMT -5
And this is where I stand for the day. Napa unable to pop the chain. Yamaha of Louisville unable to pop the chain.Autozone is a no go. Local bike shop unable to do so. Walmart bike chain breakers a no go. I don't want to take a hammer and screwdriver to the links. Tryed a few test with the broken chain and didn't like the results. The bike shop said that it is a #25 chain. I could order a chain breaker online or take the case apart. Starting toward just taken the case off. Had I just done so in the first place when the chain popped and I got the part I would have been done. Oh well. One must learn. Sometimes easy, sometimes hard.
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Post by sharks06lly on Sept 18, 2012 17:14:18 GMT -5
And this is where I stand for the day. Napa unable to pop the chain. Yamaha of Louisville unable to pop the chain.Autozone is a no go. Local bike shop unable to do so. Walmart bike chain breakers a no go. I don't want to take a hammer and screwdriver to the links. Tryed a few test with the broken chain and didn't like the results. The bike shop said that it is a #25 chain. I could order a chain breaker online or take the case apart. Starting toward just taken the case off. Had I just done so in the first place when the chain popped and I got the part I would have been done. Oh well. One must learn. Sometimes easy, sometimes hard. that really sucks that no one could do it. only time i ever popped a chain i took a screwdriver that was only slightly larger than the chain stuck it inbetween and hit it with a hammer. screwdriver ended up flying off the table and sticking in my wall but atleast when i looked down chain was popped lol |
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Post by Lukain on Sept 22, 2012 18:02:54 GMT -5
Tore the engine down, placed the new chain on. With full tension applied with the chain tensioner I can rock the cam back and forth about 1-2 degrees. Roughly a 1/2 link worth of slack with a 46 link chain. I am now tending to believe that the stock 45 link chain would have worked. I can't really remember setting the chain tensioner and thinking that may have been the cause of the stock chain failure.
Have tried starting it up but so far no go. She will turn over but not fire. All grounds connected. All the wires seem connected and ok. Valves are set. Either timing is off due to chain, bad plug or battery not fully charged I quess. Starting to run out of thoughts.
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