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Post by breadstick on May 22, 2012 16:53:39 GMT -5
My Roketa Bali 250 is starting to overheat. Troubleshooting narrowed it down to the fan not coming on. I have read about people having trouble with the sensor not making the fan come on. Other than a new sensor, what could be the problem? Is bypassing the sensor to have the fan come on when the scooter is on the easiest way? How do I do that?
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Post by hanilanzi on May 22, 2012 17:03:34 GMT -5
check fluid level!
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Post by apcutts51 on May 22, 2012 18:30:17 GMT -5
have you flushed out the stock chinese cooant? if not that is step one, step 2 check luid level & your radiator cap!! i had this problem 2 weeks ago flushed coolant...again & had to replace the cap
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Post by gatekeeper on May 22, 2012 19:33:39 GMT -5
I've got one of those. You can pull the sensor and test it by hooking the two leads to an ohm meter and putting the end of the sensor in boiling water. As it heats up, if it is working, you will suddenly read continuity on the meter.
Check the fan by unplugging the sensor and place a jump wire on the plug, turn on the key and see if the fan runs.
Regardless of the outcome, flush, flush and then again flush out the cooling system. Fill it full of water a couple of times and run till hot (not overheated) and drain it. I used a flushing compound from Walmart on mine. When it is all draining clear and empty, fill it with a 50/50 mix of antifreeze (aluminum safe) and water. Burp it properly and you should be good to go.
I picked my Bali up for $260.00 because the previous owner couldn't figure out his overheating problem and wanted to get something out of it. It took persistence but now my Bali doesn't get over the halfway mark on the gauge even on a 90 degree day.
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Post by breadstick on May 23, 2012 10:28:17 GMT -5
It's been flushed and burped properly many times. If I maintain a constant speed of about 30 mph, it won't get past the half way mark. I'll check the fan the next time I have some time to get out and work on it.
All I know for sure now is that the fan is not coming on.
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Post by nulldevice on May 23, 2012 11:36:30 GMT -5
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Post by chromestarhustler on May 23, 2012 11:46:01 GMT -5
or swap for a vog or 54b thermo and fan they work, only seems to be 244 vertical (cfmoto) clones with this problem.
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Post by EPAhater on May 23, 2012 21:36:30 GMT -5
Very true, the linhai fan on the 250B only draws 33W and pulls just as much air. No cooling problem and no hassel with a manual on/off switch.
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Post by onilegion on May 27, 2012 2:49:12 GMT -5
Very true, the linhai fan on the 250B only draws 33W and pulls just as much air. No cooling problem and no hassel with a manual on/off switch. Really? Then why this??? four extra fans, on-off switch, and a another "little cooler type radiator" Cooling the linhai in hotter temps is easy and cheap and don't need higher octane gas. The linhai has a loop on the thermostat cover that goes to the head right by the temp sensor. Has good flow and it allows some flow until the thermostat opens. Cut into that line and run it into a little cooler type radiatror and put two high CFM computer fans on it. Also the main fan shroud is a joke and can be modified to drop it down and pull more air through the radiator especially while idling. You can drop it low enough to add two 3" X 3" fans on top to run all the time and not hurt the charging. Turn them off in cold weather. I run in 100F plus temps with this modification and enjoy a cool engine and not spend the extra ten cents a gallon. In 80F temp with this set up the main fan will never come on. Enjoy a nice charged battery also. Made a 800 mile round trip to Texas and back last July, when I got to Texas it was 105F and the fan would cycle on and off even sitting at a red light. But I'm sure you already thought of this and rather spend the extra money on higher octane gas. BTW if won't work in 100F plus temps.
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Post by EPAhater on May 27, 2012 7:40:00 GMT -5
Because I like to even run cooler than normal. I have another 250 linhai with no cooling modifications and have no trouble with it. I run my main scooter a lot in 95F plus temps and in the city from red light to red light a little extra cooling is good and just keeps the main fan from running as much. But compared to the Bali with the poor stator and a fan that has 2-1/2 times the fan draw than the linhai even at stock it's better. I have switches on my fans because when the temps are seasonal and in cold weather which I ride also I don't need them and turn them off. You wouldn't turn the fan off on the Bali, I know I own one of them too. I also did as I suggested I put a 33W fan on it and helped the poor stator out, it's not up to par with the linhai either, even got a custom built regulator for it and rewired some of the junky fuse box and poor wiring on it to help the battery. Didn't have to do that with the linhai 250B. So how does your 250 run? I'm sure it doesn't need anything extra in Colorado? Still enjoy your Torque vs HP and gearing copy and paste here; scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=200cc&thread=30076&page=1
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Post by onilegion on May 28, 2012 2:14:20 GMT -5
Hey EPA, Because I like to even run cooler than normal. I have another 250 linhai with no cooling modifications and have no trouble with it. I run my main scooter a lot in 95F plus temps and in the city from red light to red light a little extra cooling is good and just keeps the main fan from running as much. But compared to the Bali with the poor stator and a fan that has 2-1/2 times the fan draw than the linhai even at stock it's better. I have switches on my fans because when the temps are seasonal and in cold weather which I ride also I don't need them and turn them off. You wouldn't turn the fan off on the Bali, I know I own one of them too. I also did as I suggested I put a 33W fan on it and helped the poor stator out, it's not up to par with the linhai either, even got a custom built regulator for it and rewired some of the junky fuse box and poor wiring on it to help the battery. Didn't have to do that with the linhai 250B. So how does your 250 run? I'm sure it doesn't need anything extra in Colorado? Still enjoy your Torque vs HP and gearing copy and paste here; scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=200cc&thread=30076&page=1The cooling on our Bali-style scooter performs very well. Our particular scooter was made by Bashan, who apparently made the decision to move the radiator to the forward position, just behind the the front grill. The only cooling system issue we have encountered was the slow failure of the OEM Chinese fan. It was always noisy and had bad vibrational tendencies, but by the end of the first year, the bearings were starting to squeal. We lubed them the best that we could, but permanent damage was already present and the fan slowly expired over the next 8 months. We researched, and asked some of our gear-head racing buddies and they unanimously recommended the SPAL line-up of fans. We found a SPAL fan that would fit, in fact the OEM Chinese fan looked very much like a poor knock-off of the SPAL fan that we choose to use, and have never looked back. Sure its a little more expensive than the OEM fan, but why skimp on your cooling system?..... it keeps your engine alive! Our OEM fan drew 2.7A @ 12V (max load), and our new fan draws 3.3A @ 12V (max load). This SPAL fan is great; it is waterproof, dust-proof, and individually balanced. It pulls so much air through the radiator that you can actually watch the needle on the temp gauge drop down in real time. We have run in temps as high as 100F, in both stop-and-go and highway traffic, with no more than the width of the indicator needle above or below the mid-point on the temp gauge. We run all incandescent lighting of stock ratings, and with all lights on (including both filaments of both headlights, the turn signal indicators, and the brake lights), the MP3 player at full volume, and the cooling fan running, our system voltage sits at 14.1 volts at idle speed. As for any difference in the charging system capacities of the 244cc CN250 vs. the Linhai 244cc-275cc engines, here are the specs provided by the two designers/manufacturers of the two engines. Just so this is really clear, this is not our data, this is not your data, this is the data provided by the respective designers/manufacturers of these engines. If you disagree with these values let the engineers at Honda or Yamaha know about their reporting errors. The 244cc CN250: The Linhai (244cc-275cc) :(14V @ 16A = 224W) As for the 244cc CN250 engine system having some intrinsic cooling defect, relative to the Linhai engines, this is something we have not experienced or observed. Our observations are that most cooling system issues, on both engines, are due to improper maintenance, especially improper/incomplete "burping", and fan system failures. We do believe that the upright cylinder and the unique directional coolant flow in the head/ cylinder of the 244cc CN250, can lead the inexperienced mechanic to make serious "burping errors; but this is not a fault of the engine, merely the lack of knowledge/experience on the part of some people trying to service their engines. Keep your coolant paths clean/air-free, get a decent fan, promote directed and least-resistance air flow, and your cooling system will reward you with proper temperature control. Scootin' on, onilegion <><
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Post by nulldevice on May 28, 2012 22:48:55 GMT -5
The fan on my scooter draws 80 watts instead of 33, but it also moves 2-3 times more air according to the specs. The 7 1/2 inch SPAL I saw on their site moves 440 cfm. According to the specs on my 80 watt fan it moves 1500 cfm and is suitable for cooling a small car.
I am currently working on the moderate charging issue, but that exists because I replaced the 35/35 watt headlights with 55/60 watt H7 headlight bulbs and the two ten watt running lights I added as well.
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Post by EPAhater on May 29, 2012 0:18:16 GMT -5
I'm sure I didn't check but can that is a copy and paste of the specs on the Honda helix from the manual and the Yamaha YY250P or majesty. The poster said Roketa Bali not a Bali style scooter and I own a Bali 250 made by Shanghai Jmstar. One can look at the specs on these stators and they are off the wall, plug in CN250 and you'll get a good mixture of specs. I've looked at the size of the stators on the two engines and what I found is the linhai staor is a little bigger at 104mm OD; absolutelyscooterparts.net/catalog/linhai-lifan-stator-pickup-coil-large-p-769.htmlwww.powersportsmax.com/product_info.php/cPath/354_311/products_id/14312Then you can see the specs on just one of the 18 coil stators for the CN250 and see it at 103mm OD and it's listed for a lot of different scooters including Roketa; www.scooterdynasty.com/stator18coilsforcn250engines.aspxThen you get a 250 stator listed as for the old Tank 250 and it's only 17 coils; www.partsforscooters.com/180-129_Stator_250cc?sc=9&category=73529The tank also is a Bali type scooter, there are several. What I found was that the Bali with the vertical engine is the battery starts to loose ground so to speak if the fan has to run a lot on a very hot day. I installed digital volt meters on all my 250's and eventually on a long run again on a very hot day the Bali will get as low as 12.3 volts charging. However on my 250B with the linhai it never drops below 13.5 even on the hottest days and I relate that to a bigger stator and lower amp draw fan. I didn't look at the specs in the helix manual or on line for the OD of the helix stator but there are so many versions of this scooter and I'm like some I don't believe some of these cloned engines are the same. BTW can you post a picture of the Bashan 250 Bali style scooter? I can't find it? www.chinabashan.com/EN/Products.asp
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Post by skuttadawg on May 29, 2012 0:46:21 GMT -5
My Echarm is liquid cooled and the fan comes on around a third of the way up on the temp gauge . I noticed it comes on more while going slow 30 or less on a hot day and almost never on the highway . Mine must be powered by the stator as it turns off if on with a turn of the key . If I turn the key back on the fan does not come back on with the engine not running . Check the thermostat switch , fan relay and fuse . I run Prestone premixed in mine . Synthetic oil will help it run a lil bit cooler . I have a single fan and thought of upgrading to a dual fan setup .
I thought putting around like 20 mph on campus the engine would run cool since its not working hard but even though its liquid cooled it still uses air flow through the radiator and engine bay to cool so a 45 mph run will have more air flow than 20 mph .
Maybe you can try a pressure test to see what psi it is at . I worked on a car than ran hot , had oil and coolant levels full , used a hydrometer which is a tube with a squeeze bulb on one end to draw in some coolant and see how many balls float in order to get an idea of the ratio of water to coolant . More float with higher rate of coolant than water . Did pressure test on the radiator it was fine with no leaks . The cap however had a worn out oring . Replaced the cap and it was fixed . I was so glad I did not change out the thermostat first as that was my next step and being FWD everything was crammed together and hard to access with XL size hands .
For around 30 dollars you can get a noncontact in-farad thermometer like those used by those with nitro R/C cars and see what your engine temp is . Harbor Freight , Lowes or Amazon etc sell them . I plan on getting on to compare temps of my LC versus AC scooters and post the results .
I have wondered how a compressed refrigerant like freon would work instead of water and antifreeze for cooling . Those CO2 cartridges like for a bb gun get real cold if you puncture the cap and the CO2 gets released . So if CO2 would work it would be more environmentally friendly if it leaked instead of freon
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Post by onilegion on May 29, 2012 7:49:42 GMT -5
I'm sure I didn't check but can that is a copy and paste of the specs on the Honda helix from the manual and the Yamaha YY250P or majesty. The poster said Roketa Bali not a Bali style scooter and I own a Bali 250 made by Shanghai Jmstar. One can look at the specs on these stators and they are off the wall, plug in cn250 and you'll get a good mixture of specs. I've looked at the size of the stators on the two engines and what I found is the linhai staor is a little bigger at 104mm OD;
absolutelyscooterparts.net/catalog/linhai-lifan-stator-pickup-coil-large-p-769.html
www.powersportsmax.com/product_info.php/cPath/354_311/products_id/14312
Then you can see the specs on just one of the 18 coil statos for the CN250 and see it at 103mm OD and it's listed for a lot of different scooters including Roketa;
www.scooterdynasty.com/stator18coilsforcn250engines.aspx
Then you get a 250 stator listed as for the old Tank 250 and it's only 17 coils;
www.partsforscooters.com/180-129_Stator_250cc?sc=9&category=73529
The tank also is a Bali type scooter, there are several. What I found was that the Bali with the vertical engine is the battery starts to loose grouind so to speak if the fan has to run a lot on a very hot day. I installed digital volt meters on all my 250's and eventually on a long run again on a very hot day the Bali will get as low as 12.3 volts charging. However on my 250B with the linhai it never drops below 13.5 even on the hottest days and I relate that to a bigger stator and lower amp draw fan. I didn't look at the specs in the helix manual or online for the OD of the helix stator but there are so many versions of this scooter and I'm like some I don't believe some of these cloned engines are the same. BTW can you post a picture of the Bashan 250 Bali styule scooter? I can't find it? www.chinabashan.com/EN/Products.aspWe're sure this is all wonderful info. for fitment purposes, but it does not tell anyone about the output specs. If we were to go out and load test our scoot you would just say..."oh, that's crap, you don't know anything about load testing a stator system, show us the proof.... blah, blah, blah, etc., etc., etc." And if you were to go out and load test your scooters stator systems, and tried to show that the Honda style yielded half of what the Linhai system puts out, we would not believe your data either, because you would be trying to "back up" your prior conclusion and your results may be tainted accordingly. What we need to look at are "third party" results..... NOT OURS...... NOT YOURS.... but testing from some source that is generally known to be accurate and reliable, namely the designers/manufacturers themselves, and this is what we have provided above; and on the point of being accurate and reliable, we would never trust specs listed by scooter drop-shippers. So the most independently verifiable specs. have been listed above, take them or leave them....it matters not to us. We may have 2 in our garage, you may have 2 or three or 100, in your garage, that is meaningless with regard to the facts from the best reliable sources. Bashan produced a 244c Bali-style scooter in 2007 that was badged RoadRunner 250-TLX and imported and sold by EVO Sales. If you would like to see some photos of this scooter check out the threads by Monty57 on this page: scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=250ccengineandtrannsmissionHis scooter is essentially the same as ours (at least how ours was when purchased), with the exception of the color. We can take a picture of the MCO, title, manufacturers plate that is riveted to the scooter.... but it would be a pointless exercise to try to convince you of anything that you cannot personally see and hold in your hand. You already seem to have all the facts lined up in a row in your head, and anything that varies from what is your reality, is simply not true.....end of story. Scootin' out, onilegion <><
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Post by wile on May 29, 2012 15:54:31 GMT -5
It seems someone believes all that is printed and just copies and pastes but doesn't really know how to actually test the stuff. No two system are the same and most importantley put out the same. You can buy two Identical scoots right off the show room floor and they will not put out the same. Its all hand made and the materials as well so any little differences will give different results. As the saying goes CLOSE IS GOOD ENOUGH and that is about the best we can all expect. Wile
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Post by onilegion on May 29, 2012 17:52:46 GMT -5
It seems someone believes all that is printed and just copies and pastes but doesn't really know how to actually test the stuff. No two system are the same and most importantley put out the same. You can buy two Identical scoots right off the show room floor and they will not put out the same. Its all hand made and the materials as well so any little differences will give different results. As the saying goes CLOSE IS GOOD ENOUGH and that is about the best we can all expect. Wile Its not our responsibility to test or prove anything, as we have not made any unsubstantiated claims. We have not claimed that one or the other system has a grossly higher output. We have simply made available to all members/guests of Scootdawg, that wish to look at the facts, rather than hear unproven opinion, the best available independent (of any Scootdawg members), reliable, third party data regarding the respective outputs of the two systems. If you wish to denigrate this presentation by calling it "copying and pasting", feel free. That tactic is nothing more than name calling and in no way decreases the validity of the data that is being presented. On the other hand, you and EPAhater have made numerous claims that the charging system on the Linhai clones is much more robust and more powerful as compared to the Honda clone, and as yet neither of you have presented self-performed output loading tests or reliable third party data that can substantiate your claims. If you have such tests or data, why not share them with everyone here at Scootdawg. And no, we are not talking about production variances here, we are talking about basic engineering design. So saying that there are variances from one clone to another is just repeating something that practically every Dawg here already knows. If you believe in your assertion, then share your testing with ScootDawg, and then report to the engineers at Yamaha and Honda the errors in their testing and reporting. Through our analytical laboratory we have had to do this frequently with companies much larger than Honda or Yamaha, and in the end we were thanked by the engineers for the high degree of diligence in our work. Have you ever done such work? Until then, anything opinion you have to state on this topic is merely hand waving, and does not fool the majority of the members here at Scootdawg. Give the Dawgs here a little respect; we have many talented/knowledgeable people here in many fields, who do not deserve to be treated as anything less. onilegion <><
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Post by wile on May 29, 2012 18:25:57 GMT -5
Hey, don't get your dander up just telling it like it is, you can copy and paste all you want. I was just making an observation that you do not appear to have any real live experience just a lot reading and copying ability. Which is good mind you not knocking that at all but don't come on and pretend your the MECHANIC GOD and get your dander up because the people that get their hands dirty know the real deal and respond with real life experience.
WOW!! Your garage analytical laboratory outdoing state of the art Laboratories and engineers, Do you really think ANYBODY believes that, to quote you,
So in closeing we do enjoy your NOVELS on things but it is really not that complicated and by all MEANS KEEP CLICKING THE PASTE AND COPY in your ANALYTICAL LABORATORY. But once in awhile REST YOUR FINGERS and STRETCH and WAVE them around. Wile
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Post by EPAhater on May 29, 2012 18:52:48 GMT -5
Tainted? I said I just couldn't find the Bashan type scooter, didn't question it's valadity just wanted to see it? As "you" stated it is a "Bali type" and I simply said I "have" a Roketa Bali 250 just like the poster here. And as far as assertions you seem to think that "every" cloned scooter that is a copy of the Honda OEM scooter engine is the same yet you offer no proof yourself by your studies, work or even pictures showing that, only specs from the Honda manuals. We all know that the cloned scooters offer little or no specs so the Honda manuals are all we have to go by a lot of times as with the Yamaha linhai style engine. I wasn't questioning those specs just stating and giving all the evidence I can find showing that there may be and in fact are different things that go into these cloned scooter. Again when you google the "bali style" Tank scooter with the vertical 244cc engine it says a CN250 stator will fit but then when you look at the stator it is only a 17 coill stator and it would be a logical assumption it doesn't put out as much watts? I've never claimed to be a engineer and only go by what I've seen first hand on "my" scooters and that's what I reported and it was by a simple volt meter that I installed on both of them and my results were true and accurate for my scooter and again it is the Roketa Bali 250. Now as far as all of these things you claim to have done and the Bali type scooter you have give us some of your test results from all of the people that thanked you and I didn't ask to see Monty's scooter but asked about the one you claimed to have? Don't give us "Honda" specs from the manuals that we all can get but your actual results that were in your laboratory, myself I would be elated at seeing some true specs on a clone instead of a set from the manual you keep refering too. And as far as name calling I wasn't doing that by giving out things that all people know because the original poster has only made two posts and I'm sure he doesn't know all the things that a lot of dawgs already know or he wouldn't be here asking so the information I gave could be helpful along with the data you gave? Also my opinion about the linhai having s stronger system is my right just like it's your right to disagree just like a lot of people don't like the linhai because it's more difficult to adjust the valves and we know that's true. They are both great engines and both have their up sides and downs, I own both and I wouldn't even attempt to put a HID system on my Bali due to the charging system and there are lots of others that have the same opinion yet I have a HID system on my 250B and it's never had a problem so there is another opinion based on what others have done on this and other forums. That alone tells me that the charging system is not as strong without any tests of any kind but relying on the talented/knowledgable people here who have done it on both scooters. BTW here is the "correct" copy and paste of Monty's scooter. I've actually been to Wright City Missouri. ;D scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=200cc&thread=6631&page=1Have you ever done such work?No I have not and would love to see your work. does not fool the majority of the members here at ScootdawgYou don't have anyone fooled either. <><
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Post by onilegion on May 29, 2012 20:52:55 GMT -5
Hey, don't get your dander up just telling it like it is, you can copy and paste all you want. I was just making an observation that you do not appear to have any real live experience just a lot reading and copying ability. Which is good mind you not knocking that at all but don't come on and pretend your the MECHANIC GOD and get your dander up because the people that get their hands dirty know the real deal and respond with real life experience. WOW!! Your garage analytical laboratory outdoing state of the art Laboratories and engineers, Do you really think ANYBODY believes that, to quote you, So in closeing we do enjoy your NOVELS on things but it is really not that complicated and by all MEANS KEEP CLICKING THE PASTE AND COPY in your ANALYTICAL LABORATORY. But once in awhile REST YOUR FINGERS and STRETCH and WAVE them around. Wile What? still no reliable evidence to support your assertation?So as usual, you resort to personal attacks in the form of lies, conjecture, and adolescent jealousy. We are familiar with your Q & A technique that you use to draw folks into your argument, which you then attempt to use to belittle the other participant, and we will not play that game with you; it is a total waste of time. Since you are so fond of old sayings here's one that seems to fit: "Put up, or shut up"; or if that is not clear enough ...."Show everyone some credible evidence, or quit posting BS that has almost no relationship to the question at hand, namely the stator output of the Linhai clone vs the stator output of the Honda clone". Anything other than that, is just a purely conjectured ,poor attempt to attack us. Boy, an intelligent, mechanically knowledgeable/experienced woman sure puts you on the offensive. onilegion <><
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Post by onilegion on May 29, 2012 21:04:37 GMT -5
Well folks here you go, the FACTS are presented here and the guesses are presented here. Take your pick for whatever helps you the most.
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Post by wile on May 29, 2012 21:35:41 GMT -5
I ask the same of your silly posts, they are all over the forum, same crap sameo sameo all COPY AND PASTE stuff that anybody can find and post. HAHAHA, I have nothing against women and take no offense if anyone man or woman corrects me when and if I am wrong(that is how people learn) and you ought to heed that advice. But you are one that believes you know more than anyone else and that is where your downfall lies. Intelligent I will give you some of that since you can google pretty good for your novels. Mechanically ZIPPO have yet to see you solve a poor souls carb problems,CVT, Backfireing, Fuel Delivery, Electrical NADA. All you know is how to read and write not much else so you can FOOL YOURSELVE and maybe some others but MOST on here know you, not personnally mind you but who you pretend to be. If you would just come down to earth a little and not be so confrontational you would have a happier life as well as more friends. So as you say PUT UP OR SHUT UP, Give us the name of your ANALYTICAL LABORATORY so I can check it out. It wouldn't be in Carolina would it Wile
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Post by onilegion on May 30, 2012 0:31:44 GMT -5
Just as we predicted..... NO RELIABLE EVIDENCE FOR WHAT YOU CLAIM.....and more personal attacks. And this.... Mechanically ZIPPO have yet to see you solve a poor souls carb problems,CVT, Backfireing, Fuel Delivery, Electrical NADA. All you know is how to read and write not much else so you can FOOL YOURSELVE and maybe some others but MOST on here know you, not personnally mind you but who you pretend to be. You've already played this card before, don't you remember???. Although last time we believe the phrasing went something like "zero, NADA, ZIP". It didn't work then, and it won't work now. Here are just 3 Dawgs who found our recent advice/analysis to be helpful: The new slider/rollers are in, the scoot is all back together and it at least idles well. Need to get it off the rack and on the road! Thanks onilegion! I am sure you left something out onilegion. Thanks for the help and looks like I have alot more to do than I anticipated. First, find out if my engine in vert or horz then a dam manual, do we really instructions, and if we do, do we have to follow them? Onilegion is DA BOMB! A serious gearhead! I've seen their scoot and it's serious! If they say it, do it! But they are friends of mine now (new but forever I'm betting) so I'm a little biased! Oh, and add a little seafoam (small glug-it's an industry term) to a full tank of gas to help clean things out. Welcome to the forum, we only bit softly. . .woof! From: scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=200cc&thread=50219&page=1 I am sure you left something out onilegion. Thanks for the help and looks like I have alot more to do than I anticipated. First, find out if my engine in vert or horz then a dam manual, do we really instructions, and if we do, do we have to follow them? From: scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=200cc&action=display&thread=50249Onilegion, Thank you very much for the reply, it is greatly appreciated. I am going to order a new clutch assembly as soon as I can. I have been searching websites and have found many with (as someone else suggested) a Kymco Grandvista 250 clutch, since it should fit. Thanks everyone. And then this one.....I ask the same of your silly posts, they are all over the forum, same crap sameo sameo all COPY AND PASTE stuff that anybody can find and post. *Our* posts are all over the forum??? Well let's see, as edfr/lefty, als01seville, Alleyoop, and now Wile, your cummulative posts are up to 9,006, compared to posts by onilegion which total 189. Wow! that has to rank up there with some of the most hypocritical statements you have ever made. You're so predictable that its really getting boring now. So we will end this pointless discussion, unless you suddenly found your evidence, and just scoot on into the sunset. Over and OUT! onilegion <><
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Post by h3nry on May 30, 2012 0:38:00 GMT -5
STFU and PM each other already....
anyways, on topic shal we? ( had the wrong subject.. fixing lol)
if you havent already find the sensor, if it comes out take it out and put it inline of a light and a 12v bat, dunk the sqitch in boiling water and if it doesnt come on after a few minutes i would say it is dead and buy a new one ( by boiling i mean actually boiling with heat still applied)
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Post by leo on May 30, 2012 5:11:39 GMT -5
Don't set the fan to run all the time. The alternator won't put out enough power and you will eventually discharge the battery. i not only have mine to run all the time i have 2 of them that run all the time. been that way for . . . at least a year and a half. no problems with undercharged or dead batteries.
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Post by EPAhater on May 30, 2012 8:05:57 GMT -5
Don't set the fan to run all the time. The alternator won't put out enough power and you will eventually discharge the battery. i not only have mine to run all the time i have 2 of them that run all the time. been that way for . . . at least a year and a half. no problems with undercharged or dead batteries. I would be interested in this setup. What are the fans, the CFM and the amp load oif each? Like I said over a long run when my fan runs constantly on my Bali the battery slips little by little and it is a good 12AH hour rated battery.
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Post by leo on May 30, 2012 9:26:13 GMT -5
one came with the ATV radiator the other is a radio shack 4.5 inch computer fan. don't know. don't know about the ATV fan but the radio shack fan is 4 watts mine is is the OEM 7AH.
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Post by wile on May 30, 2012 12:24:46 GMT -5
Name of this ANALYTICAL LABORATORY Please .. or is it a Covert operation? As for the names you put up, I do know Alleyoop he is on the other two popular forums helping the troops over there, the others sorry, I do not know. But from checking around those guys you mentioned knew their stuff and helped hundreds on here. Now speaking of names here is JUST 1 from the past..AAH the memories: scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=alaudaAnd may the lights keep shining bright. Wile
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