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Post by benn on Mar 29, 2012 5:58:45 GMT -5
I've had a Xingyue ITA 150 (rebranded as BMS Pathfinder 150) since 2008, and it is finally not starting up this spring after my seasonal oil/gear oil change/etc.
Rather than spending the time and money troubleshooting, I'd rather give it to a friend and nab a new ride. I was thinking that I want something a little more highway/long-distance friendly anyway.
I've been looking through all the 250cc+ models, but I really have no idea which ones are reliable performers and which ones will just give me headaches after 200 miles.
In my fantasy, I'd like:
- To spend less than $2,000.
- Tires larger than 13" (I'm 6'3)
- Something comfy, possibly even with a windscreen
- Something reliable and with parts that will be available in the next few years.
So, what do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks!! ;D
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Post by chromestarhustler on Mar 29, 2012 7:39:26 GMT -5
well thats gonna be a hard list to complete, over 13 inches is a tall order, can not think of many that would have a good chance of long term parts, big wheels, and none are under 2k
really your looking at a major brand if you want long term parts, bigger than 13 inch wheels, and 2000 is gonna make the task almost impossible,
really it seems like your looking for a kymco people or xciting, just neither are under your price point new.
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Post by terrilee on Mar 29, 2012 9:28:08 GMT -5
why dont you go look  ?!!!!!
pick 3-4 or how ever many
and then ask for peoples advice, knowledge on 'em,
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Post by jwalz1 on Mar 29, 2012 10:18:45 GMT -5
Look for a deal on a used Kymco People 250 or Sym HD 200. Your price is kind of low, but there is a 2006 People 250 here locally on CL (Minneapolis) with and asking price of $2250 with only 300 miles on it. Sometimes you get lucky. You can add a windscreen to anything.
OR.........
Add about $1000 to your price and look Sym RV 250. Great machine.
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Post by inuyasha on Mar 29, 2012 10:58:41 GMT -5
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Post by imnts2 on Mar 29, 2012 14:35:27 GMT -5
Putting it simply. Forget it. For 2 grand. If I put 2 grand in a new scoot it would have to have EFI. 2 grand will not quiet do it. It's that simple. If you ever ride EFI you will see my point.
If you get EFI on a good 200 to 250 or more, you will forget what it cost you so fast you will be surprised. If you do not get EFI you will remember every darn cent you spent.
Sometimes things are really that simple.
cheers
lefty2
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Post by beachbum on Mar 29, 2012 14:42:05 GMT -5
Putting it simply. Forget it. For 2 grand. If I put 2 grand in a new scoot it would have to have EFI. 2 grand will not quiet do it. It's that simple. If you ever ride EFI you will see my point. If you get EFI on a good 200 to 250 or more, you will forget what it cost you so fast you will be surprised. If you do not get EFI you will remember every darn cent you spent. Sometimes things are really that simple. cheers lefty2 I absolutely love EFI...thats all I want now on my scoots. |
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Post by rockynv on Mar 29, 2012 16:46:38 GMT -5
I can vouch for the Sport City 250. You just missed some crazy factory incentives on the 2009s which were going for $2,999 this past January/February. Now they are $3,499 but still a lot of bike for what you get. The Sport City has the same front 120/70 15 tire size as the Burgman and a 130/80 15 in the back. They hold their own riding with motorcycles with more than double the displacement. |
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Post by benn on Mar 29, 2012 18:32:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the helpful responses.
I guess I was thinking in terms of Chinese scoot models that seem to have better reputations that others, and I realize is a little unrealistic to expect much in terms of parts being around in the future.
I guess I've always been intimidated by getting an EFI bike because I'd be lost on maintaining/repairing it. Ignorance isn't always bliss I guess!
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Post by leo on Mar 29, 2012 19:21:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the helpful responses. I guess I was thinking in terms of Chinese scoot models that seem to have better reputations that others, and I realize is a little unrealistic to expect much in terms of parts being around in the future. i can't overstress what a performer the CFmoto 244 is. easily cruises at 55-60. the only real problem with mine is the bars are a little low. at 5' 10" my bars could be about 4 to 6" higher and more to the rear. 13" wheels. |
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Post by chromestarhustler on Mar 29, 2012 22:47:29 GMT -5
efi isnt the golden bullet a properly tuned carb will give it a run for its money every day. efi really became standard in the mid 80's for emissions, not power. efi will produce more average power but my carbs are tuned pretty damn close to perfect for the 3 speeds i run my scooter at, idle, mid range cruise, and wot. Pretty much my stuff only sees idle at stop lights, followed by a wot run when the light go green til i hit my cruise speed and then i settle in to mid range cruise mode. Most Motorcycles have resisted efi until recently with some slowly converting over. EFI doesnt make or break a good scooter, until they get a digital wide band sfi setup. maybe efi is is for those filly farting rolling into the throttle.
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Post by skuttadawg on Mar 29, 2012 23:57:46 GMT -5
I have to say EFI is simpler in terms of parts but can be expensive if something more than the electric pump like the ECU . My Echarm will smoke any 150 out there with ease . EFI has instance throttle response and never bogs or stalls like a carb . From what I read CFMoto uses and old Ducatti EFI and has some much more power at any speed and will climb up to 75 MPH with my 200 self on it and do a tad over 60 MPH up a very steep hill wit ha passenger . There is tons of carb issues like clogged jets or air/fuel screw covered and I have not read a single EFI problem in here yet . I can zoom to 50 real fast and after 65 the rpms are up and hits 75 and the ECU limiter kicks in . Some reason at 55 to 65 it does not accelerate as fast as the other speeds but all my friends that have a carb 150 say " Wow its a rocket " compared to theres . I would fix the one you have as it may only be a simple bug like old gas and carb needs to be thoroughly cleaned by taking it apart instead of just spraying carb cleaner through the airbox . evosales.com/cat-250cc-scooters.cfm there is some 250s with variuos prices to be an example . If you have 2 grand than why not get a 232 crate engine( jugged and stroked GY6 ) from MBE Motorsports ? |
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Post by mymomwantsatrike on Mar 30, 2012 2:57:06 GMT -5
My Echarm will smoke any 150 out there with ease my Buddy 150 would leave your e charm in the dust and not think twice about it. its 'lil carb laughs at your fancy pants efi ;D  ;D so far as this guy? yes, look CfMoto Helix clone or a used Taiwan 250 if feasible. SYM HD 200 is also just as well as any chinese 250. so a used one of them, too otherwise i have heard better things about the Linhah 250's and 300's. if i spelled that correctly? and a Burgman clone called the Vog? but i think that one has had big issues for some? parts related, i think? read the threads in the 250 forum for a more comprehensive idea of what is what with chinese 250cc+ scoots. all seem to have some issues of there own. some more then others. i know that Honda Reflex clone has been popular for some time and is well under 2K. also, check you tube. here is a BMS 250 that can be had for $2000-$2500, shipped. any Znen made 250 is just as well, most likely i actually like this scoot for its built in trunk  don't be afraid of a carb. its what has been working for years and decades. its still fine. can't recommend any of these. "reliable" is not a word commonly associated. you understand what you are buying. try to get something you like and others have had luck with and hope for the best imo its a cheap scooter so be prepared to take a loss or gain a headache. it does happen oh and hey look, EFI fans. a CHINESE EFI SCOOT www.countyimports.com/inc/sdetail/special__bms_tbx_efi_260cc_fuel_injected__touring_scooter___efi/210/40129 |
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Post by chromestarhustler on Mar 30, 2012 11:33:03 GMT -5
cf moto does not use an old ducati efi system, they use a new Ducati Energia designed efi for small bikes mainly for things like the kinetic of india. ducati energia is not ducati motorcycles, its the automotive tchnology branch that build parts for rotax, piaggo, aprilia, etc.
havent heard of many problems with efi scoots? is that because probably less than 3 percent of us drive efi scoots.
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Post by benn on Mar 30, 2012 19:20:36 GMT -5
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Post by mymomwantsatrike on Mar 30, 2012 20:34:25 GMT -5
the retailer is fine as good as any. either way after purchase you are on your own, as you know. most you can hope for is they return your calls and send a part out if needed. this place by most counts does that. no one will take the bike back and troubleshoot for or with you, however. so, it really doesn't matter who you buy from imo. get best price so far as THAT scooter that is the oldest chinese 250 around.. many have been sold research "Honda Reflex Clone" for official model names. i believe this came in TWO versions with one having a 244cc Honda clone engine and another with a 257cc Yamaha clone engine. if i recall correctly the 244cc is prefferd because of the availability of parts and ease of work. i think the Yamaha has been frowned upon somewhat because some parts are difficult to impossible to come by for some while the Honda clone 244cc has easily sourced parts. here is an engine comparison scooterdoc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=techtips&action=display&thread=4279no matter the ad says "2011" model. its all the same from 2007, '08, etc personally i don't like the Reflex clone because they are the most common clone i see. and i would hate to ride up to a light and find myself next to the real deal and endure the snickering lol  if i am getting a chinsa 250 scoot its going to have some originality. especially on these shores. same scoot, different body type. like so many others. i like this one www.superiorpowersports.com/250cc_Gas_Scooter_p/rk250sc-79.htmi mean the choice ultimately is yours. as said many of these are the exact same scoot underneath. i would simply recommend getting one with the 244cc Honda clone engine rather then the 257cc Yamaha. trouble is most ads say 250cc. so you have to ask. and make sure they are telling you the truth! once the sale is done, its done. however maybe parts for the Yamaha clone are easier to come by these days? ask around the board which engine is more reliable? who the hell knows? |
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Post by rockynv on Apr 1, 2012 6:20:58 GMT -5
Looks very nice however it does seem a tad underpowered at 7kw/16.6hp while my EFI 250 puts out 16.5kw/26hp. Into a strong headwind I have no problems keeping up with interstate traffic at 70+ mph.
Do you ride with a passenger much? Many of those style bikes only have around a 300lb weight capacity while others will carry up to 460lbs easily.
Yes fuel injection can be expensive to repair. I priced the injector pump assembly for mine and it was about $400 however I do not have any startup troubles and the bike runs consistently well regardless of the weather while riding daily all 4 seasons.
Got caught in a torrential downpour yesterday while stopped for lunch however I had brought my rainsuit in with me so no problem, I just suited up and went on my way arriving home on time and dry. Bike did not even hiccup just ran smooth and solid.
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