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Post by rusiwhite on Feb 17, 2012 22:20:26 GMT -5
MANILA, Philippines -- The Department of Health (DoH) on Thursday said the mortality rate from motorcycle/ scooter accidents, the kind of traffic mishap that most often results in death, is becoming alarming.
In a forum on road safety for motorcycle/ scooter riders held in Quezon City, DoH undersecretary for health operations Dr. Ethelyn Nieto said: ?We should already be alarmed by the statistics.?
Based on records from the Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA) Traffic Operations Center Metropolitan Road Safety Unit from January to December 2006, motorcycles/ scooter ?have the highest fatality accident rate with 122 motorcycles/scooter involved, or 23.60 percent of the total fatal accidents, followed by cars with 113 total or 21.86 percent.?
Nieto likewise cited statistics from the Traffic Management Group (TMG) which showed out of the total 14,202 traffic accidents in 2004, 3,010 or 21 percent involved motorcycles/ scooters. The numbers rose the following year to 24 percent or 2,798 out of 11,425 accidents.
?In the first two months of 2006 alone, the TMG recorded a total of 485 motorcycle/scooter accidents out of the total 1,364 accidents, which accounted for 35 percent of total traffic accidents,? the report read.
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Post by rusiwhite on Feb 17, 2012 22:25:17 GMT -5
The implementation of safety precautions for motorcycle/ scooter riders has been taken for granted when Land Transportation Office records from 2004 to 2006 reveal that motorcycles/scooters are now the third most registered vehicles next to cars at 66.3 percent.
The DoH undersecretary proposed a review of existing policies, particularly helmet use, as the most effective solution in reducing fatalities from motorcycle accidents.
The leading causes of motorcycle /scooter accidents are the absence of safety equipment, overloading, over speeding, and reckless driving particularly when motorcycle/ scooter riders weave in and out of traffic.
Helmet usage, is vital to road safety, explaining that what needs protection most are the head and neck of a motorcycle/scooter rider. It needs to maintained that increasing motorcycle/scooter visibility as well as enhanced motorist awareness can save lives.
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Post by rusiwhite on Feb 17, 2012 23:24:46 GMT -5
In addition to absence of safety equipment, overloading, over speeding and reckless driving, weaving in and out of traffic. Most drivers we're drunk, no discipline at all. And I am not ashamed to tell everyone that Philippines have all the most stupid, arrogant and boastful drivers here. Even the LTO and MMDA implemented a motorcycle/ scooter own lane, still accidents occuring because of no discipline.
As I was watching the news every night, no day's that there we're no motorcycle/ scooter accidents reported, always on the track.
What about your place?
I know this topic has been discussed hundred times here on forum, but sad to say there are still increasing numbers of vehicular accidents because of being hard headed. It is full of enjoyment when driving your little machine but always think of your life when you are in the middle of the road.
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Post by leo on Feb 17, 2012 23:34:20 GMT -5
face it, 2 wheels are not safe at speeds over about 30mph for the simple fact of lack of protection.
good armored clothing helps but you will never get the protection afforded by a cage.
believe it or not, deer is my primary concern.
that, and left turning drivers and intersections.
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Post by warriorboxerdog on Feb 18, 2012 0:08:04 GMT -5
I agree helmets save lives! I wear I full face helmet, a armored riding jacket leather gloves and 8" leather boots. Some people ask me why do you wear all that your on a scooter. I'm not concerned with my riding abilitys but other people driving cars that may pull out in front of me or even run me off the road. When I ride and there is no shoulder I ride a little right of the center of the lane. I found if you don't someone in a hurry will try to pass you vary close to you and if you take up more of the lane they will go in the other lane if they want to pass. The thing that gets me is my scooter will do 45mph and most of the time I can do the speed limit but some cage driver still finds the need to pass me. the funny thing is they don't really get anywhere by doing this because I see them at the next stop light. I think its because I'm on a scooter and not a motorcycle and scooters get the least respect on the road. For saftey I try to stay off the main roads during rush hour unless I really got to be some where. I have found this is when cage drivers drive the worst cuz there in a hurry to get home and do whatever. I also try to stay off roads where the speed is greater than 40mph. I have also found riding on the shoulder really isn't that safe due to the fact that is where gravel seems to collect plus if your going aroud a turn on the shoulder at 25 or 30 mph you could be surprized by a disabled car or truck. I'm alway scaning for obsticales and watching what the person behind me is doing. Im thinking of adding a strip of led lights on each side and the rear to improve visability at night. My jacket has some reflective strips on the back also. All the safty precautions I take don't mean I will never be involved in a acident but I think it helps some what and wearing the extra gear will help if the unthinkable does happen.
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Post by timk225 on Feb 18, 2012 1:19:01 GMT -5
Would it be a bit ridiculous to build a roll cage for a scooter? I don't know how much it would help, but it would put something between you and the pavement.
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Post by warriorboxerdog on Feb 18, 2012 1:29:25 GMT -5
For that to work you would have to install seat belts and so on. Before you know it you would have a 2 wheeled car that slower then a scooter. I think the key is wear protective gear and be alert. Thats all you can do. Also if your new to 2 wheeled riding a motorcycle saftey course isn't a bad idea. I been riding since I was 12. I started on dirt bikes when I was a kid living in a small village in pa. I rode on the road to get to the trails and to get gas and there was no police in the village and if someone called the police it took a hr if it was a emergency. I still want to take the motorcycle saftey course though. Even though I been riding for over 20 years I'm sure I will learn something and it reduces your insurance rates. I dont have to buy insurance in my state but have it anyway. You never can be to careful or wear to much protective gear. You never now it may save your life
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Post by tomfl62 on Feb 18, 2012 20:27:53 GMT -5
I have been tp Manila , it isnt safe crossing the street they drive like wild folks ,and have no clue what traffic laws are. Red lights are just decoration pretty lights. Most of them dont use turn signals just horns get the most use . I wouldnt drive a car over there if they paid me . I seen the whole family on one scooter dad driving , mom in back with maybe two kids with them . Lots of trucks and busses with bald tires , it is wonder they dont kill a couple hundred a day in traffic accidents.
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Post by larry001964 on Feb 18, 2012 20:39:11 GMT -5
I have been tp Manila , it isnt safe crossing the street they drive like wild folks ,and have no clue what traffic laws are. Red lights are just decoration pretty lights. Most of them dont use turn signals just horns get the most use . I wouldnt drive a car over there if they paid me . I seen the whole family on one scooter dad driving , mom in back with maybe two kids with them . Lots of trucks and busses with bald tires , it is wonder they dont kill a couple hundred a day in traffic accidents. Don't forget the u turns in the middle of the hwy in busy traffic. or car horns that sound like American police car sirens, or Florida buses driving thru the winding roads.. |
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Post by rusiwhite on Feb 18, 2012 20:59:09 GMT -5
I have been tp Manila , it isnt safe crossing the street they drive like wild folks ,and have no clue what traffic laws are. Red lights are just decoration pretty lights. Most of them dont use turn signals just horns get the most use . I wouldnt drive a car over there if they paid me . I seen the whole family on one scooter dad driving , mom in back with maybe two kids with them . Lots of trucks and busses with bald tires , it is wonder they dont kill a couple hundred a day in traffic accidents. Tom, I cracked up when I read your comment. That is really true. Drivers here are crazy, they don't really follow traffic rules. The other day, one guy hit by a bus after he still insisted to go straight after the traffic light turned to red. And yes because of trying to save money for fare, all family members squezze themselves in motorcycle or scooter, can't imagine how they can manage to carry their small kids with them without proper helmet or protective gear....so absolutely right everyday will track a record of 10 to 15 motorcycle/ scooter accidents in a day just in Manila only... This pic was taken in China but its the same here in PI. www.motorcycleasia.net/Chinaride/Family1.jpg |
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Post by rusiwhite on Feb 18, 2012 21:18:19 GMT -5
I have been tp Manila , it isnt safe crossing the street they drive like wild folks ,and have no clue what traffic laws are. Red lights are just decoration pretty lights. Most of them dont use turn signals just horns get the most use . I wouldnt drive a car over there if they paid me . I seen the whole family on one scooter dad driving , mom in back with maybe two kids with them . Lots of trucks and busses with bald tires , it is wonder they dont kill a couple hundred a day in traffic accidents. Don't forget the u turns in the middle of the hwy in busy traffic. or car horns that sound like American police car sirens, or Florida buses driving thru the winding roads.. If you are out the road you can see all the crazy things you can't ever imagine. All the worst scene..you're driving your vehicle peacefully than all of a sudden someone will come over you and accident follows. No more sirens here are allowed except for ambulance only..no more chances for greedy drivers who want to go first on the lane by using sirens. And would like to emphasize here, sooner or later LTO and MMDA are to allow traffic enforcers to carry gun so they can protect themselves from bad drivers. Yes we have cases where traffic enforcers were killed by a driver who just caught violating the traffic rules. And not only that, increasing numbers of criminal cases were recorded using motorcycle/ scooter as they get away vehicle. |
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Post by inuyasha on Feb 18, 2012 21:29:19 GMT -5
Hi
You cant count on other motorists for your safety, always assume they dont see you
Always wear full protective gear, be aware of your surroundings at all times and try to always have a way out if things go south
Take care and drive safely dear friends
Yours Hank
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Post by larry001964 on Feb 18, 2012 21:33:28 GMT -5
Amen Hank,
Thinking ahead and leaving yourself a way out is the best advice Ive heard here yet..
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Post by cardini on Feb 18, 2012 21:53:42 GMT -5
THIS IS IN THE U.S. Motorcycle Accident Statistics | Motorcycle Accident Facts | Motorcycle Accident Lawyer As baby boomers get older and as more people have begun worrying about gas prices, the popularity of motorcycles has increased significantly in recent years. Unfortunately, with more motorcycles on the road, the number of motorcycle accidents, motorcycle accident injuries, and motorcycle accident deaths has increased. Below are a few recent statistics regarding motorcycle accidents in the United States. • According to the Insurance Information Institute (III), there are 7.1 million motorcycles on the road in the United States, and over one million new motorcycles and dirt bikes are purchased every year. • In 2008 5,290 people died in motorcycle accidents across the country – the highest number ever recorded.
• The number of motorcycle accidents and fatalities has increased every year for the last decade.• More and more riders over 40 years of age are being killed in motorcycle crashes – a trend that reflects the aging baby boomers. • According to the U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), you are 37 times more likely to die in a motorcycle accident than a car accident – and nine times more likely to become injured while riding a motorcycle than while driving a car. • Last year, 14 percent of all traffic accident deaths involved motorcycles. • There were 114,000 serious motorcycle accidents last year that involved injuries or property damage. • One out of three motorcycle accidents involves a rider who is driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Thirty-five percent of fatal motorcycle accidents involve a speeding motorcycle rider. • The NHTSA estimates that 1,829 bikers were saved by their motorcycle helmets in 2008 – and that almost 1,000 more could have been saved had they worn helmets. Six out of ten motorcycle riders wear a helmet. BOTTOMLINE.....WE SHOULD NOT SINGLE OUT PHILIPPINES WHEN IT COMES TO MC ACCIDENTS,THE NUMBER OF DEATHS IS EVEN WORSE HERE.. THAT IS BASED FROM THE STATS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT "HURTFUL" WANTED TO PROVE,WHY SHE POSTED THIS THREAD  |
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Post by inuyasha on Feb 18, 2012 22:12:27 GMT -5
THIS IS IN THE U.S. Motorcycle Accident Statistics | Motorcycle Accident Facts | Motorcycle Accident Lawyer As baby boomers get older and as more people have begun worrying about gas prices, the popularity of motorcycles has increased significantly in recent years. Unfortunately, with more motorcycles on the road, the number of motorcycle accidents, motorcycle accident injuries, and motorcycle accident deaths has increased. Below are a few recent statistics regarding motorcycle accidents in the United States. • According to the Insurance Information Institute (III), there are 7.1 million motorcycles on the road in the United States, and over one million new motorcycles and dirt bikes are purchased every year. • In 2008 5,290 people died in motorcycle accidents across the country – the highest number ever recorded.
• The number of motorcycle accidents and fatalities has increased every year for the last decade.• More and more riders over 40 years of age are being killed in motorcycle crashes – a trend that reflects the aging baby boomers. • According to the U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), you are 37 times more likely to die in a motorcycle accident than a car accident – and nine times more likely to become injured while riding a motorcycle than while driving a car. • Last year, 14 percent of all traffic accident deaths involved motorcycles. • There were 114,000 serious motorcycle accidents last year that involved injuries or property damage. • One out of three motorcycle accidents involves a rider who is driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Thirty-five percent of fatal motorcycle accidents involve a speeding motorcycle rider. • The NHTSA estimates that 1,829 bikers were saved by their motorcycle helmets in 2008 – and that almost 1,000 more could have been saved had they worn helmets. Six out of ten motorcycle riders wear a helmet. BOTTOMLINE.....WE SHOULD NOT SINGLE OUT PHILIPPINES WHEN IT COMES TO MC ACCIDENTS,THE NUMBER OF DEATHS IS EVEN WORSE HERE.. THAT IS BASED FROM THE STATS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT "HURTFUL" WANTED TO PROVE,WHY SHE POSTED THIS THREAD Hi Why does she have to prove anything, theres no ulterior motive Shes only sharing her thoughts and feelings on a matter she cares deeply for Isnt that what a forum is for?, the free exchange of idea's thoughts and feelings Take care and drive safely dear friend Yours Hank |
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Post by rusiwhite on Feb 18, 2012 22:25:29 GMT -5
Thanks Hank..... Hi Cardini, I know pretty darn well that everywhere in the World who are using motorcycle and scooter as their vehicles have increasing numbers of vehicular accidents. I know Thailand, Indonesia and other part of Asia have their own statistics that shows their accidents rate. I am not proving on anything. Like what Hank said I am sharing to you what is happening here. It is very alarming to us Filipinos that one of the leading cause of death here is not only because of health problems or diseases but through vehicular accidents. And this is happening here when 2 wheels been the primary vehicle of most people here.  |
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 19, 2012 8:24:26 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing up the topic mrs larry. Thanks to Cardini for the update on American statistics. It is not a fun topic but I think we all can stand to be reminded to be careful. It is a bore to stand around an put on a suit of armor. It is hot and uncomfortable in the summer and cold without it in the winter. All for a 5 minute trip to the corner.
Hell, without the buzzer anying me forever, half the time I don't simply fasten my seat belts in the car.
I really do not know what the answer is. I certainly enjoy my scoot when it is running right. It is a fun thing.
Cardini was 100@ right when he said WE SHOULD NOT SINGLE OUT PHILIPPINES WHEN IT COMES TO MC ACCIDENTS.
But he did not need to take a shoot at hurtful. That was ungracious and hurtful and thoughtless. She was complaining about her own.
Thanks to both of you. I need a NCIS bopp on the head about safety a lot cause I really like being healthy.
Cheers
lefty2
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Post by treeluvr on Feb 19, 2012 8:34:30 GMT -5
I was in Miami last weekend and walked around South Beach. I was surprised that there are no helmet laws there and even more surprised when I saw a farther riding his 8 (or so) year old on a scoot both in shorts and sandels. THESE ARE VEHICLES NOT TOYS PEOPLE!
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Post by inuyasha on Feb 19, 2012 10:54:16 GMT -5
I was in Miami last weekend and walked around South Beach. I was surprised that there are no helmet laws there and even more surprised when I saw a farther riding his 8 (or so) year old on a scoot both in shorts and sandels. THESE ARE VEHICLES NOT TOYS PEOPLE! Hi Its the same here in CT Only safety requirement is eye protection I would like to see them make helmets and full gear mandatory That stance may not make me too popular with others but bottom line its their safety thats of more importance to me Take care and drive safely Yours Hank |
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Post by warriorboxerdog on Feb 19, 2012 12:21:18 GMT -5
Yeah here in MD if your riding a scooter you don't have to wear one. Myself and my friends all wear full face helmets when riding. I Think this is a gret topic for the forum. Why does someone always think someone is trying to prove something when someone else posts something. I think riding gear has come a long way. And gear is out in the market thats cooler to wear in the summer like the armored vented jackets ect. I was in Iraq for a year and had to wear long sleaves and a flack jacket the was around 70lbs with a combat load. Try wearing that in 130 degree temps. We could lower these fatal crash rates by being more alert, wearing proper riding gear, following the rules of the road, and not drinking and driving. I also try to educate people to when I see someone riding without a helmet and proper gear. I also think there should be scooter safety courses for new riders since the rukes are differnt for motorcycles. So far I have enjoyed my scooter and have stayed safe while doing so. I hope everyone here has the same luck!
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Post by inuyasha on Feb 19, 2012 12:27:56 GMT -5
Yeah here in MD if your riding a scooter you don't have to wear one. Myself and my friends all wear full face helmets when riding. I Think this is a gret topic for the forum. Why does someone always think someone is trying to prove something when someone else posts something. I think riding gear has come a long way. And gear is out in the market thats cooler to wear in the summer like the armored vented jackets ect. I was in Iraq for a year and had to wear long sleaves and a flack jacket the was around 70lbs with a combat load. Try wearing that in 130 degree temps. We could lower these fatal crash rates by being more alert, wearing proper riding gear, following the rules of the road, and not drinking and driving. I also try to educate people to when I see someone riding without a helmet and proper gear. I also think there should be scooter safety courses for new riders since the rukes are differnt for motorcycles. So far I have enjoyed my scooter and have stayed safe while doing so. I hope everyone here has the same luck! Hi Thank you for your service, i salute you Take care and drive safely dear friend Yours hank |
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Post by tomfl62 on Feb 19, 2012 16:12:58 GMT -5
Because of the time difference ( Manila 12 hrs ahead of US ) i spent lots of time looking out the Hotel room window all hours at night , one night i saw couple guys pushing a hospital bed down the street with someone in it , i couldnt believe my eyes . LOL The street in front of the hotel was very busy even at 5 AM . I dont remember the street , but it was the Manila Pavilion . Very interesting place to visit the Philippines. Here is a vid of Manila traffic listen to the horns . >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdL5_tdjvxk&list=FLA4zzcjY2t3LTcxt8qPSfIg&index=15&feature=plpp_video <<< i dont know why they paint lines on the street ,and notice how many people almost get run over crossing the street .
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Post by rusiwhite on Feb 19, 2012 22:38:02 GMT -5
Tomfl62, the hospital you're talking near Pavillion hotel is Manila Doctors Hospital. They paint lines on the street for motorcycle/ scooter lane. And yes it's crazy thing that people cross the street even there is designated overpass. That is why there are accidents happening because of hard headed and not disciplined people around.
I am glad you have seen this places. And yes it's fun in the Philippines.
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Post by tomfl62 on Feb 20, 2012 19:40:54 GMT -5
Hurtful , are saying when you check out of the hospital you take the bed with you ? LOL Nice scooter you have there .
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Post by cardini on Feb 20, 2012 20:51:50 GMT -5
tom, the hotel is right across the hospital, it's easier to just cross the street than to bring her to the basement parking lot,ride the car and enter the hotel which is just few steps away from the hospital,,come on tom, obviously, this makes filipinos more smarter than americans? lol
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Post by tomfl62 on Feb 20, 2012 21:21:13 GMT -5
Cardini , here in the US we transport the patient with a wheel chair , i love filipinas almost married one, love the country and the woman . lol
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Post by 08087 on Feb 21, 2012 14:26:31 GMT -5
I'll add this tid bit of informal information. MC accidents in the US are high and rising as shown above, however they are not the 4th leading cause of death in the US.
Not putting the Philippines down in any way here but in any 3rd. world country you have many accidents that go unreported, and in most of these places they don't wear protective gear, obey even the smallest of rules and could seemingly care less for your safety. I've traveled pretty extensively and in South America things resemble pretty much the description of the Philippines.
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Post by rusiwhite on Feb 22, 2012 23:10:23 GMT -5
I'll add this tid bit of informal information. MC accidents in the US are high and rising as shown above, however they are not the 4th leading cause of death in the US. Not putting the Philippines down in any way here but in any 3rd. world country you have many accidents that go unreported, and in most of these places they don't wear protective gear, obey even the smallest of rules and could seemingly care less for your safety. I've traveled pretty extensively and in South America things resemble pretty much the description of the Philippines. True |
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Post by silverfox96 on Feb 25, 2012 14:08:39 GMT -5
Just watched some of the video of driving in manila. Not much different than driving here in the town i live, in indiana! People walking in the streets. drivers using horns for brakes. changin lanes with no signal. Illegal turns. Not staying in your driving lane. straddling two lanes etc. etc! On my scooter one day. stopped at a 4-way stop. No one there when I stopped, but school was only 1/2 block away. Started to go when a guy driving a van approached the stop and just drove right on through! I shouted a few choice words at him and started through the intersection and the woman behind the guy that ran the stopsign pulled out in front of me as I was going across the intersection. again a few choice words! Then the woman in a van, two cars back opened her door, stood up and yelled at me, holding up two fingers! Guess she thought that I was supposed to allow to cars to go before I did! Dumb a$$ inbred idiots here in this town!
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