I got my scooter (diamo velocity 150) for super cheap on craigslist a few months ago. The bike had about 2000 miles on it and the guy claimed that it you don't need license or registration. So I assumed that he rode around without a license or anything for 2000 miles, so it must have been okay. He sold to me as a project because it was "broken".
I called him a few months later to ask to see if had a title to transfer over to me and he said that he that he had actually purchased the bike from someone over from craigslist as well and never got a title from him.
Not sure if he's telling the truth or not, but now I got a bike with no title. I have no clue what the laws are in Virginia, but is he right? Can I technically ride this thing around without license, registration, title, etc? Or am I technically riding around a stolen vehicle?
Post by mainepeace on Jun 28, 2011 14:46:18 GMT -5
You can call the manufacturer and try to get a Certificate of Origin. They may or may not send you one. It's possible, depending on what state you live in, that you only need a bill of sale with the VIN on it to register. That's how it is in Maine.
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I think, I would be cautous about riding it, until I foundout whoms scooter it is. It maybe stolen and you don't want to get stuck with a stolen bike.. It would be about the samething as grand theft auto. I would copy the vin number and go to a local highway patrol station to see if the vin number comes back as stolen. You can tell the cops that you are running a vin search on a friends scooter. But if the vin comes back as not stolen, well than you still have a problem. See there is no way to get a new title and this is probably why the guy off Craig's List sold it.. Meaning you are stuck with a scooter with no title. Cops will pull you over if riding without a title. Sucks.. A junk yard might be able to get a title if claimed the scooter was wrecked and wanted a new title to resell it..
Well, see the guy that origanally purchased the scooter from a dealer: he got scooter and title. Now he may have lossed the title and thus rode it anyhow as a 50cc and tricked cops.. Cops don't bother scooter riders generally if they have a helmet on and safety gear. But some cops are hard butts too, follow the laws strictly and write tickets for anything wrong. So the guy that lossed the title either got a ticket and thus sold the scoot on Craig's List because the dealer could not get him a new title. The title was lossed also, before the guy ever registered it, meaning now would have to contact China. Title is lossed for good. No title means no registering. See my 250cc scooter, I registered immediately. So if I lossed the title, well the State of Missouri could send me a new title for a fee. If I would have lossed the title, well I would be screwed. The origanal title came from China. This is the problem. Alot of people loose the titles and ride them around as a 50cc scoot. A cop pulls them over eventually and they sale them. The scooter is probably not stolen but having one with a lossed origanal title is just as bad. China is to far away to order a new title from. Be better off finding out it is not stolen and writing your State to request a new title. Explain that the origanal title was lossed and need a title to register with the State.
Post by mainepeace on Jun 28, 2011 16:24:01 GMT -5
You can get ANOTHER Certificate of Origin by calling the U.S. representative of the manufacturer, generally the importer. It's done all the time. The COO does NOT come from China, or it wouldn't come to my shop BEFORE the scooters are actually delivered, and with my company's name printed on it.
You can use the COO to get a true Title in the states that require a title.
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That's the thing Chaz, the only person I have contact information for is the person I bought it from, and he wasn't the original owner. For all I know this bike could have been passed around a million times. The person I bought it from doesn't have the contact information of the original owner, nor does he know if he has the title or not.
Alright, I called Diamo up, and the representative there said they don't even import scooters anymore, they make ATV's now. So they have absolutely no information they could give to me.
There are only three solutions I can think of now. Either keep riding and pray to god I don't get pulled over, hunt down the original owner, or beg the DMV to resolve the issue. The second is probably next to impossible
Post by Premier Scooters on Jun 28, 2011 17:33:21 GMT -5
You definitely want to check if the scooter is stolen. Just call your local PD and give them the VIN number and tell them you want to check if a vehicle you are thinking about buying is stolen. You can try this site, you can put the vin in there to check if it's stolen. www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud_awareness/vincheck I've never used is so I don't know how accurate.
You could just buy another scooter, register that, then move the license plate from scooter to scooter. It's not legal, but nobody would know. Even if they stopped you for speeding they wouldn't know cause cops don't check vin numbers and they don't ride scooters to know one model from another. That's called a twofer. My registration says April (which is some weird abbreviation for Aprilia). Right there, the cop would be so confused he wouldn't even ask. If I rode a diamo velocity and that was written on the side of the scooter and he asked, I would just say the scooter is made by the April scooter company in China. People ride motorcycles their entire lives without ever having a motorcycle license. If you have a motorcycle/scooter tag that is not expired, ain't nobody gonna stop you.
Check your state DMV regulations on abandoned vehicles and a mechanic's lien. I obtained a title for a scooter I bought by sending a certified letter to the previous owner (who didn't want to hassle with applying for a lost title in another state) saying you've abandoned your scooter at my house and if you don't come and claim it by this date I'm obtaining ownership. We agreed that he wouldn't accept the certified letter. After the letter came back unanswered I took it to DMV where they allowed me to get a title in my name. I did have to take the bike in and have a DMV guy come out and verify the VIN. A mechanic's lien works similar only the mechanic takes the vehicle because you haven't paid him. In many states you can also purchase a bond which shouldn't be too expensive for a scooter.
Well after I get my VIN verified, I think the simplest thing I can do is just file for a lost title claim and tell them the truth. Hopefully they'll bite. I have put in so much time and effort into this thing in the last few months, I don't wanna end up selling it or worse, scrapping it.
Here in Florida they regulary run registration plates on Scooters and Motorcycles so they can check if the registered owner has a motorcycle endorsement. If the owner of record does not have the right license then they pull you over to check if you are the owner and if so impound the bike and if not they verify that you have not stolen the bike. There were a few motorcycle and scooter riders at the MSF class I took that were there because they got caught and had to take the class and pass before they could get their motorcycles or scoots out of impound.
That should be the cardinal rule for any craigslist motor vehicle sale, especially bikes and scooters. I scan through craigslist almost daily and see great deal after great, only to see "title lost" or "bill of sale only". It just blows me away people can be so careless with important documents. How hard is it to buy a lock box, or in my case a fire proof lock box, or get a bank safety deposit box. Certain items birth certificates, titles, DD214's (if you prior military), passports, etc need special care due to there importantance. That is why there are so many great deals on Craigslist, because the seller probably knows it is a pain in the rear to retitle a vehicle. I do feel bad for the buyer, when they are unaware of the possible mess they are getting into, and it compounds when the money is tight as it is for alot of people. Good luck with your scooter, hope it works out.
If I'm buying a vehicle to drive, absolutely...no title no sale. I might even get the seller to go with me to the DMV to make absolutely sure I run into no snags. Now, if I was buying it just for parts...then I dunno. If they have registration in their name, I guess it'd be ok. Or I could call the police and do a VIN check.
That's how I ended up with my moto license. I got pulled over by a local Barney Fife. They didn't impound my 150 scooter, they just made me take the MSF course. $175 three years ago to take the class. I showed up to class everyday on my 1300 V Star and that pissed the instructors off. So I tole em, it's all i got to get around on. Lie Lie.
Our Harley dealer charges $275 for the class. But, wait for it, wait for it, you get a FREE $100 gift certificate to the Harley boutique. Hell of a deal. NOT. You get to ride the ultra exclusive Buell Blast in the process. I'm glad I gave up on Harley's in the 80's. I sure don't like what i see ridin Harley's today.
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