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Post by bennnn on Feb 14, 2011 14:04:45 GMT -5
I was pretty good about starting my scoot up every few weeks when it was cold out, but I let it sit for about two months and now I can't get the bastard started.
When I uncovered it, stuck the key in, cranked the handle a few times, it started tight up, ran a little rough for about two minutes, then died.
Now I can't get it to start at all.
All I'm using is the kick start, because it looks like the battery is dead,
so, will it start or run with a dead battery? or is it something else?
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Post by edfr on Feb 14, 2011 14:22:23 GMT -5
It will start and run with a Dead Battery, but it is not good to do that, it may damage your charging system. First try charging the battery and if it holds a charge you are ok. But if it does not hold a charge get a new battery.
Lefty
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Post by kixome on Feb 14, 2011 17:05:27 GMT -5
I would run it with no battery rather than a dead battery. A dead battery = a load on the charging system that can damage the system. Running without a battery isn't great but should not harm anything. I have been running mine without a battery for a while and other than the horn not being loud, I have not had a problem.
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Post by timelancer on Feb 14, 2011 17:15:43 GMT -5
I would run it with no battery rather than a dead battery. A dead battery = a load on the charging system that can damage the system. Running without a battery isn't great but should not harm anything. I have been running mine without a battery for a while and other than the horn not being loud, I have not had a problem. You can run one of these scoots with no battery, but make sure that the positive and negative wires DO NOT touch, if they do you will be in a world of problems. |
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Post by edfr on Feb 14, 2011 17:30:43 GMT -5
Why ask for trouble just get a new battery and be done with it. Kickstarters do not last, they are prone to locking up and gears being chewed up from to much use. If a scoot is an electric start and kickstart the kickstart is considered an emergency starter for it.
Lefty
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Post by buiditright on Feb 14, 2011 18:32:51 GMT -5
just fiy if you run a scooter without a battery you will blow all your bulbs out. It will send all the power straight to your bulbs. It is too much power for them. It is not a good idea to run it without a battery.
As Lefty has indicated just get a new battery. I know it is hard if you are like me on a fixed income and wife not working but find one and save a few bucks up till you can get it.
Bill
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Post by bennnn on Feb 14, 2011 19:26:48 GMT -5
Gotcha, so the not starting is something else.
Here's what happened today. Like I said it started right up on the first try, the gauges and blinkers/horn don't work so I guess the battery is dead.
If I let it sit for a while it will start, run like crap for a minute and then stall out, no amount of goosing the throttle get's by it.
It was running great and starting up like a champ the whole time I've had it, and I looked back and it was 6 weeks since the last time I started it, it only has 580 miles on it, so what the heck?
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Post by scootercapecod on Feb 15, 2011 16:55:01 GMT -5
As for the starting issue, try this: carb cleaning 101 Great videos and helpful. For the battery, it's debatable whether or not you should run with a dead battery or without. I know what people are saying about it being a load on the charging system and that is true IF the battery is totally calcified (no water or acid left in the battery and the plates caked over) which would mean of course no charge being absorbed and thus becomes a RESISTOR. Now, if the battery is still even somewhat capable of holding a charge it acts as a CAPACITOR which takes the load from the charging system and thus helps regulate spikes in voltage/amps. My suggestion is along the lines of edfr's, charge it up and if holds put it back in the bike and you're all set. BE CAREFUL NOT TO leave the battery on a charger too long, even a "trickle" charger shouldn't take more than 1/2 hour to get enough juice into the battery to start it up.
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Post by scootercapecod on Feb 15, 2011 16:56:37 GMT -5
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Post by tomcas on Feb 15, 2011 20:41:54 GMT -5
It will run fine with a dead battery. Contrary to what some are advising, NEVER run with the battery removed. Without the battery the voltage regulator is left to drop all of the excess current by itself and it can easily over heat in hot weather. Once the regulator burns out the voltage on both the AC and DC side can run wild which will begin to burn out components. Running with the dead battery WILL NOT bother either the regulator or the stator. In fact the regulator will have less load on it and the stator is always at maximum output all the time anyways.
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Post by Bong on Feb 15, 2011 21:18:09 GMT -5
A valve adjustment may help with hard starting. The scoot can run with a dead battery but, It would not be recommended. Just my opinion. Take it or leave it. Using the kick start all the time can cause more expensive problems and, the police don't like it when all the lights don't work properly. Those tickets can get real expensive !!!
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Post by kixome on Feb 16, 2011 2:58:45 GMT -5
just fiy if you run a scooter without a battery you will blow all your bulbs out. It will send all the power straight to your bulbs. It is too much power for them. It is not a good idea to run it without a battery. As Lefty has indicated just get a new battery. I know it is hard if you are like me on a fixed income and wife not working but find one and save a few bucks up till you can get it. Bill It will not blow your bulbs, and just like a car it is fine to run without a battery. Sure it isn't recommended for long since you cannot kick start a car, but i have been running mine without a battery for a while and had no problems. I would recommend getting a battery because , who the hell wants to kickstart all the time. I did love my push button and go but my connection broke on my battery. I was using a powerwheels battery (they are deep cycle and will never leave you stranded) but i bent the connector 1 too many times and whammo it broke. I am waiting for my wifes tax return before i can buy a new one. I have been a stay at home dad for almost 2 years, ever since the baby was born. sincerely, Fatty |
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Post by lshigham on Feb 16, 2011 3:01:31 GMT -5
Really, you shouldn't run without a battery, especially with the questionable Chinese wiring.
You're probably fine with your Vino, it's got better electrics.
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Post by kixome on Feb 16, 2011 3:05:49 GMT -5
true, iam sorry about that. I keep darn forgetting that most here are using the chinese scoots of which i have only ever known a broken chinese and i cannabalized it for parts(wrecked scoot almost all compatible with my vino). I will remember that from now on. I appreciate the reminder.
I surely would not want a part on someone elses scoot going bad because of my bad advice.
So poster please do as the others have said and get a battery to avoid worse troubles like a stator gone bad or bulbs blown.
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Post by lshigham on Feb 16, 2011 3:09:37 GMT -5
true, iam sorry about that. I keep darn forgetting that most here are using the chinese scoots of which i have only ever known an adley jet 50 and i cannabalized it for parts(wrecked scoot almost all compatible with my vino). I will remember that from now on. I appreciate the reminder. I surely would not want a part on someone elses scoot going bad because of my bad advice. So poster please do as the others have said and get a battery to avoid worse troubles like a stator gone bad or bulbs blown. No need to be sorry. We get it in reverse - advice only pertinent to a 139QMB instead  It has been suggested that you could put a resistor in place of the battery, to avoid burning out your regulator or lights. |
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Post by kixome on Feb 16, 2011 3:19:20 GMT -5
Kickass is all I shall say sir. Thank you guys. This is probably the most understanding forum i have been a part of. That is basically why I am still here. Love this mofo place!
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Post by kixome on Feb 16, 2011 3:19:44 GMT -5
Kickass is all I shall say sir. Thank you guys. This is probably the most understanding forum i have been a part of. That is basically why I am still here. Love this mofo place!
Fatty.
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Post by tomcas on Feb 16, 2011 19:36:06 GMT -5
just fiy if you run a scooter without a battery you will blow all your bulbs out. It will send all the power straight to your bulbs. It is too much power for them. It is not a good idea to run it without a battery. As Lefty has indicated just get a new battery. I know it is hard if you are like me on a fixed income and wife not working but find one and save a few bucks up till you can get it. Bill It will not blow your bulbs, and just like a car it is fine to run without a battery. Sure it isn't recommended for long since you cannot kick start a car, but i have been running mine without a battery for a while and had no problems. I would recommend getting a battery because , who the hell wants to kickstart all the time. I did love my push button and go but my connection broke on my battery. I was using a powerwheels battery (they are deep cycle and will never leave you stranded) but i bent the connector 1 too many times and whammo it broke. I am waiting for my wifes tax return before i can buy a new one. I have been a stay at home dad for almost 2 years, ever since the baby was born. sincerely, Fatty Car and scooter charging systems are completely different. A car uses the voltage regulator to vary the amount of current going to the field coils in order to regulate output. Scooter don't have field coils they use magnets. The stator on a scooter charging system is always at maxiumun output and the excess current is bled off to ground with a zener controlled transistor. The transistor is not designed to drop all of the current by itself and counts on the load from battery and lighting to take part of the load. Depending on the location of your voltage regulator, the amount of airflow over the regulator, and the ambient air temperature, you can easily blow the regulator by running without an electrical load. Typically, once the regulator blows the voltage will run wild and begin to burn out other things like light bulb, auto choke coils, etc. If you have been running with out a battery and your voltage regulator hasn't blown yet then you are very lucky. |
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Post by kixome on Feb 16, 2011 19:43:45 GMT -5
Still running without one, and having no problems yet. I wouldn't consider myself that lucky. It is not that hot out yet so it will stay cool. Also its a yamaha so it can take more stress. I really don't believe its even stressing it at all.
Anyways I conceded up there that i gave the wrong advice and I believe the question was answered so I will be done with this post.
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Post by tomcas on Feb 16, 2011 22:20:07 GMT -5
Still running without one, and having no problems yet. I wouldn't consider myself that lucky. It is not that hot out yet so it will stay cool. Also its a yamaha so it can take more stress. I really don't believe its even stressing it at all. Anyways I conceded up there that i gave the wrong advice and I believe the question was answered so I will be done with this post. The quality of the voltage regulator used by Yamaha is vastly superior to the one used on typical chinese scooters. That's because Yamaha doesn't cut corners ( I've got a Yamaha myself). You should feel just how hot they get and you'll know how stressed they are. |
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