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Post by rider95 on Jan 6, 2011 20:55:52 GMT -5
OK we all know that the Japanese makes the best scooter,s but which of the CHEAP China mfg makes the best is it Zen, jonway, or???
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Post by kz1000st on Jan 8, 2011 18:00:59 GMT -5
CF Moto. For a mere $1500 I know where I can get an E-Charm www.scootersonly.netA Chinese SH 150i for 1/3 the price.
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Post by braveheart on Jan 8, 2011 20:17:13 GMT -5
IMO, Znen builds the best quality Chinese scooters: Fly, BMS, Lance, etc...
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Post by Carolina Fun Machines on Jan 8, 2011 20:20:36 GMT -5
With the current specials that CFMOTO is offering on the last of the 2009 models I have to agree that for the money they are the best deal going. We have handled Znen now for 2 1/2 years and would put them as the best of the entry level machines.
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Post by Cookees on Jan 10, 2011 17:19:53 GMT -5
With the current specials that CFMOTO is offering on the last of the 2009 models I have to agree that for the money they are the best deal going. We have handled Znen now for 2 1/2 years and would put them as the best of the entry level machines. Ditto.... CFMOTO is probably the best scooter coming out of mainland China. Wangye (LFF) makes a pretty good entry level scoot. (ie: JCL MP150B... and the Achilles for UM)
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Post by mopedmedic on Jan 16, 2011 0:32:55 GMT -5
Nobody. You can get cheap, or you can get good, but you can't get both. There are some good manufacturers in China, but they aren't cheap. And there are some companies with good reputations who have started making crap in China. Check the manufacturers warranty, and check with the dealers who sell the product to see if they are happy with the way the manufacturer deals with warranty claims. As much as I like the guy who comes in, listens to the pitch, rides our scooter and then buys it, the customer who gives me the most satisfaction is the guy who came in six months ago asking to see our cheapest scooter. I ask if he wants cheap or reliable, and he says "both." They he looks at our prices and goes online. He outsmarts me and orders some cheap piece of crap from one of the online scooter hucksters, and I basically hang up on him when he calls asking how to put it together because 95% assembled means it came in a crate 2 feet high and the driver dropped it off in the middle of the street and took off. Six months later, he's had it here for service three times, two of which involved us picking it up where it broke down, took it to the hoodrats shop where they broke all the plastic tabs and rewired the headlight and now it's blowing all the bulbs and melting batteries, his friend who can fix anything has taken it apart and then disappeared, and the guy up the street told him it's worth $50 in trade. When that guy comes in and rolls over for a Keeway because he doesn't want to get fired from the job he's missed a lot because his cheap POS internet scooter keeps stranding him, I know I'm going to get about five more sales off that guy. The guy who comes in, pays the price and only shows up when he brings his bike back for regular maintenance doesn't have the same sense of gratitude as the guy who went through the nightmare of expecting an internet scooter to be safe, reliable transportation.
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Post by tvnacman on Jan 16, 2011 11:39:45 GMT -5
Nobody. You can get cheap, or you can get good, but you can't get both. There are some good manufacturers in China, but they aren't cheap. And there are some companies with good reputations who have started making crap in China. Check the manufacturers warranty, and check with the dealers who sell the product to see if they are happy with the way the manufacturer deals with warranty claims. As much as I like the guy who comes in, listens to the pitch, rides our scooter and then buys it, the customer who gives me the most satisfaction is the guy who came in six months ago asking to see our cheapest scooter. I ask if he wants cheap or reliable, and he says "both." They he looks at our prices and goes online. He outsmarts me and orders some cheap piece of crap from one of the online scooter hucksters, and I basically hang up on him when he calls asking how to put it together because 95% assembled means it came in a crate 2 feet high and the driver dropped it off in the middle of the street and took off. Six months later, he's had it here for service three times, two of which involved us picking it up where it broke down, took it to the hoodrats shop where they broke all the plastic tabs and rewired the headlight and now it's blowing all the bulbs and melting batteries, his friend who can fix anything has taken it apart and then disappeared, and the guy up the street told him it's worth $50 in trade. When that guy comes in and rolls over for a Keeway because he doesn't want to get fired from the job he's missed a lot because his cheap POS internet scooter keeps stranding him, I know I'm going to get about five more sales off that guy. The guy who comes in, pays the price and only shows up when he brings his bike back for regular maintenance doesn't have the same sense of gratitude as the guy who went through the nightmare of expecting an internet scooter to be safe, reliable transportation. Oh I'm that cheap f!@# you describe for a few hundred I got a second scooter online , yes two scooters for a little more than the asking price for one delivered . Did I expect to get a a jap bike no do I really care . the reason I bought two was it increased my chances of having one running . Oh I might add I had a charging problem with one of them . I can say I ran shy of patience to take the plastic apart to get to the regulator , I ripped the panel off and cursed the Chinese . I must say the plastic is tricky . and easy to break . I surfed the web for parts and boy there is money to be made in parts . I believe I'm buying parts 3rd or 4th hand wholesale and you guys are making a nice buck on parts , the best is shipping and handling . It is a real shame no one knows what they are doing in the parts end of scooters . What a shame even the parts places have to go through trial and terra , and to make it worse is that the same people that you source parts from are undercutting you . To wholesale from MRP , MRP got you by the short hairs they want your blood meaning the dealers, and they under cut you also . The said part is all the parts are coming from one maybe two sources from china and all the goods are the same . So just as my view on buying a scooter I feel even stronger about parts . In short I wait till I need a few items and double up . John
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Post by eldmon2008 on Jan 16, 2011 14:24:33 GMT -5
"Nobody. You can get cheap, or you can get good, but you can't get both. There are some good manufacturers in China, but they aren't cheap."
Sorry. That is not answering the question. The question is not which cheap chinese scooter will run forever and never have any problems. The question is and i quote, "which of the CHEAP China mfg makes the best"
Simple question. Personally, I have only ever had two scooters and they were always the absolute cheapest ones I could find. Did they last for a million miles? NO Did i expect them too? NO Did i spend money fixing them? YUP Would I do it again? YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT ;D
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Post by Bong on Jan 16, 2011 19:05:06 GMT -5
I don't understand the hostility towards cheap Chinese scoots. What is so wrong with buying an entry level cheap scoot to get your foot in the door? Those Cf moto bikes look good and cost less than an entry level top 3 cycle. You can learn the fundamentals of riding, Still have fun and if you do drop the bike or get into an accident, I would rather be out $1000.00 Instead of $4,000.00. There are good Chinese scoots!!! just be prepared to work on it yourself or pay someone else. The same can be said for any other vehicle. Rant Over Now to answer the question, the best built scoot is the one you will ride and have fun with. If it breaks and you learn to fix it You will enjoy it more. Japanese, Chinese or assembled in America
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Post by trailheadmike on Jan 16, 2011 21:52:57 GMT -5
My first (and only scooter so far) is a xingyue vog 260, and after doing the big guy pdi, all i can say is i have had -0- problems so far and am having a blast. bought it for $1200 second hand with 170 miles.
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Post by oceanpatriot on Jan 17, 2011 0:03:47 GMT -5
I don't think there is a right answer for that question. I own a Longbo. I haven't had any major issues with it. It runs great both in the city and the 55+mph roads. It is also very comfortable. It depends on what you are personally searching for.
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Post by erictheviking666 on Jan 17, 2011 0:32:15 GMT -5
I own a JM Star that has over 12,000 miles on it. But that is not really a question that can be answered because Jonway, Longbo, JM Star, CF Moto, etc. are just names that importers use. Any of those Scooters could be made at numerous different plants all throughout China, mine was made at the Shanghai Hongling plant. But that's not the only plant where JM Star manufactures Scooters, there are several.
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Post by Cookees on Jan 17, 2011 22:42:21 GMT -5
But that is not really a question that can be answered because Jonway, Longbo, JM Star, CF Moto, etc. are just names that importers use. Well, not quite. Jonway is not an importer but a manufacturer. As is JM Star ( www.jonway.com/english/about.aspAs is CFMOTO aka ChunFeng Holding Group Co,.Ltd ( www.cfmoto-us.com/html/CompanyProfile.aspx ) And to make it 4 for 4: Longbo is a brand from a manufacturer, not an importer. ( chuanling.en.ecplaza.net ) Wildfire, BMS, Fly, Motorino, to name a few, are names importers use.
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Post by Da Goon on Jan 18, 2011 0:43:34 GMT -5
The dealers that import ZNEN scooters have the best reviews. It may be called ZNEN (the actual manufacturer and exporter) or BMS, Flyscooter, Lance or something else.
CFMOTO is the next step in quality (step up in price too though).
It seems to be that you have your rock bottom price (Roketa and the like). Then a couple hundred more dollars buys a ZNEN (may have some other brand name but still a ZNEN). Then a couple hundred more dollars than that gets a CFMOTO.
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Post by mymomwantsatrike on Jan 18, 2011 4:02:54 GMT -5
best is hard to say with these scooters. when i was doing research for my purchase, models made by Znen kept popping up. and others. but Znen appeared the make to be halfway respectable. as said, lot's of distributors carry the scoots. and even when sold direct the drop shippers charge a bit more for some models by Znen. when i was shopping for the "best" 150cc Chinese scooter my research led me to this one www.superiorpowersports.com/150cc_Gas_Scooter_F4_p/zn150sc-f4.htmpretty good deal as Lance used to sell it for close to $2,000 and people were happy with it. BMS still sells it for around $1500, and even Superior has it in a choice of colors for $250 more. this one comes in blue only. i like the scooter, myself the BMS Heritage (Fly IL Bello) and Lance Milan (BMS Evo) and Fly Cadenza (this scoot www.superiorpowersports.com/150cc_Gas_Scooter_p/zn150sc-05a.htm) were also in the running, although i don;t think the Vespa copy Evo ever had a chance i actually went out to see the Znen F4 / Lance Interceptor i posted earlier. for around $1000 OTD and maybe a couple hundred more for a proper PDI, a person could do a lot worse, most likely
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Post by travis91 on Jan 25, 2011 22:50:38 GMT -5
Under what brands(if model specific) is znen scoots sold?
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Post by Da Goon on Jan 26, 2011 8:18:15 GMT -5
Under what brands(if model specific) is znen scoots sold? Lance, BMS, FlyScooters(out of business but you can still find them) and others carry scooters that are manufactured by Znen. Either you can by one of them or by one that is sold as a Znen. The best deal going right now seems to be the Znen F4. Lance used to sell the same scooter (as Lance Interceptor) and charged more than twice the price. The BMS Evo V9 is a good deal too though. Cost a little more, but it comes with some nice features the Znen F4 does not have (like an alarm, cell phone alert, chrome accents, and more). The BMS V9 Evo is a Znen Milan model. Other manufacturers sell Znen Milan for more. The Roketa Sicily looks like a copy of the BMS Romans and Lance Venice, but many people have problems with Roketa scooters. Would not trust it though. The Roketa is probably cheaper because they are using low quality parts.
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Post by jdikov on Jan 28, 2011 18:44:54 GMT -5
We carry the Znen line under our own brand called Motorino Scooters www.scootersus.comisour website. Also for the person looking for parts. We stock every single part for all the scooters we import. So if your scooter looks like one of our Motorinos then give us a call and we can take care of that parts issue you are having. 203-500-0960 John
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Post by leonsavage on Feb 5, 2011 13:42:52 GMT -5
I have a GES Galaxy 50cc. I installed a 72cc kit in it at 2000K. I now have 2800K, and knock on wood, it has had zero problems, other than a broken air cleaner box when received. I have to admit that this little scooter gets babied with excessive oil changes and valve adjustments, ect...ect, but it has never left me stranded (can't say the same for my previous Vespa GT200 or Honda 50 Elite). Don't think I am saying this Chinese scooter is better than a Vespa or a Honda, because it is not. For the price, and the 100% reliability so far, I can't complain about the one I have. It has been fun!
By the way, GES was not responsive to helping repair the damaged air cleaner canister. I went to an after market filter, but I should not have had to. For them ignoring me, I would not use them again. I am lucky it was not something major.
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Post by larry001964 on Feb 5, 2011 18:11:42 GMT -5
I have a GES Galaxy 50cc. I installed a 72cc kit in it at 2000K. I now have 2800K, and knock on wood, it has had zero problems, other than a broken air cleaner box when received. I have to admit that this little scooter gets babied with excessive oil changes and valve adjustments, ect...ect, but it has never left me stranded (can't say the same for my previous Vespa GT200 or Honda 50 Elite). Don't think I am saying this Chinese scooter is better than a Vespa or a Honda, because it is not. For the price, and the 100% reliability so far, I can't complain about the one I have. It has been fun! By the way, GES was not responsive to helping repair the damaged air cleaner canister. I went to an after market filter, but I should not have had to. For them ignoring me, I would not use them again. I am lucky it was not something major. I won't do business again with GES, for pretty much the same reasons as you.. I find it interesting that my airbox was broken out of the box too. I just bought a new one.. Yep I had the same experience with them. Guess that is also why they don't post here any more.
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Post by chromestarhustler on Feb 5, 2011 19:30:52 GMT -5
sorry umm japanese scooters arent freaking super wonderful either, did anyone look at the engine tear down on the hamana, that zuma engine was trash after 14k. if you say you can not get quality for a cheap price you are talking out your ass. alot of the price that goes into a yahama or honda is wage labor and enviromental protection costs, which are both very low in china, the steel that goes into cars tubing, sheetmetal etc. around the world is produced in india china and other third world cesspools. take the brazilians for example in the 70's they bought alot of precision milling eguipment and spent the next 10 to 15 years getting really good at using it, then they started producing firearms for major us manfactuers. the chinese are producing and recycling a lot of the worlds metals, take a chinese scooter apart solder all the connectors togethers replace the tubing and ride the crap out it. honda and yahamas are for the girls that do not have hand tools to do basic maintaince and repairs who take it to the dealership for oil changes, leave the chinese and korean, taiwan scooters to those of us with more than basic hand tools and some know how. trust me i can keep the cheapest chinese scooter running damn near into eternity at less than the entry level cost of your japanese stuff. and yes the znens can be had cheap, i got a new cadenza for 800, CE got another for 900 and he also got two new evo 9/ la vies for 800 bux apiece. you know what we call someone who owns a 4 speed shifty italian scooter that costs 4 grand, a guy who doesnt own a motorcycle. your inability to keep your scooter running flawless over long peroids of time is not a reflection on the brand of scooter, its a reflection on your abilities.
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Post by erictheviking666 on Feb 5, 2011 19:43:59 GMT -5
honda and yahamas are for the girls that do not have hand tools to do basic maintaince and repairs who take it to the dealership for oil changes, leave the chinese and korean, taiwan scooters to those of us with more than basic hand tools and some know how. trust me i can keep the cheapest chinese scooter running damn near into eternity at less than the entry level cost of your japanese stuff. and yes the znens can be had cheap, i got a new cadenza for 800, CE got another for 900 and he also got two new evo 9/ la vies for 800 bux apiece. I agree if you can't even change your oil or adjust the valves, then definitely buy the more expensive stuff. For people like me would never take a vehicle to the dealer and can & will fix everything myself, then the cheapest Chinese Scooter will suit me just fine. As long as the frame is good and the welds are decent then it's good to go. The only complaint I have ever had on my Chinese Scooter is the cheap wiring. But if you take care of it and don't let it sit in the rain the wiring holds up really well. I always check the weather and even if there's a slight chance of rain I bring my cover and run out and cover it if needed, and cover it at home. As soon as I saw the wiring and connectors during the PDI I knew it would not hold up well to moisture. Other than that I'll keep my Chinese stuff, I can buy 3 of them for the price of a lot of the high end Japanese, Italian, & some Taiwanese Scooters. PS.....And in my opinion a lot of the complaints are from people who pay $600 for a Scooter and bi$ch about the warranty. Come on you just paid $600 for a brand new vehicle and you really expect there to be a Warranty? You bought super cheap!! Just buy the damn part and replace it and don't complain!! You still have way less money invested than if you had bought a more expensive Scooter!! I really get sick & tired of hearing people complain about a broken part on a Scooter you purchased on the Internet for dirt cheap!! This is why most B&M stores charge almost double what you can get one for on the internet! So that they can give you an actual warranty and pay mechanics to prep and fix them! There I feel better!! Rant over!! ;D
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Post by larry001964 on Feb 5, 2011 20:55:26 GMT -5
honda and yahamas are for the girls that do not have hand tools to do basic maintaince and repairs who take it to the dealership for oil changes, leave the chinese and korean, taiwan scooters to those of us with more than basic hand tools and some know how. trust me i can keep the cheapest chinese scooter running damn near into eternity at less than the entry level cost of your japanese stuff. and yes the znens can be had cheap, i got a new cadenza for 800, CE got another for 900 and he also got two new evo 9/ la vies for 800 bux apiece. I agree if you can't even change your oil or adjust the valves, then definitely buy the more expensive stuff. For people like me would never take a vehicle to the dealer and can & will fix everything myself, then the cheapest Chinese Scooter will suit me just fine. As long as the frame is good and the welds are decent then it's good to go. The only complaint I have ever had on my Chinese Scooter is the cheap wiring. But if you take care of it and don't let it sit in the rain the wiring holds up really well. I always check the weather and even if there's a slight chance of rain I bring my cover and run out and cover it if needed, and cover it at home. As soon as I saw the wiring and connectors during the PDI I knew it would not hold up well to moisture. Other than that I'll keep my Chinese stuff, I can buy 3 of them for the price of a lot of the high end Japanese, Italian, & some Taiwanese Scooters. PS.....And in my opinion a lot of the complaints are from people who pay $600 for a Scooter and bi$ch about the warranty. Come on you just paid $600 for a brand new vehicle and you really expect there to be a Warranty? You bought super cheap!! Just buy the damn part and replace it and don't complain!! You still have way less money invested than if you had bought a more expensive Scooter!! I really get sick & tired of hearing people complain about a broken part on a Scooter you purchased on the Internet for dirt cheap!! This is why most B&M stores charge almost double what you can get one for on the internet! So that they can give you an actual warranty and pay mechanics to prep and fix them! There I feel better!! Rant over!! ;D Eric, when you buy something new, you are expecting that it arrive in new condition, not broken.. I remember you jumping on a dealer a long time ago over a broken air box he wanted to tape up and sell to a customer. I note my air box as being broken because it was, I'm just being honest. I didn't complain to GES about it. I did just buy a new one. I didn't complain to GES about the scratched body panels either. There were many things I never said or commented about.. What I did complain about is the lack of communication, the promise to return calls, then didn't. Them telling me to try something specific to the scooter and say will call back for your results and then they don't.. I understand this happening once or twice, them forgetting we are all human and can get caught up in things. But never to return a call when promised. That's what I found unacceptable, I was not mean or irate ever.. Just needed technical help is all I wanted.. a few mins on the phone.. I was paying for the parts and doing the labor, giving them a break on the warrenty. Your right when you pay 600 dollars you should accept the fact that your paying far less and maintenance and warranty is your own responsibility. But I bought brand new, for a reason, nothing being broken is part of that reason, if i wanted to buy something broken I would have bought used, then it's expected.
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Post by erictheviking666 on Feb 5, 2011 22:08:05 GMT -5
True that you make some good points. Mine had some shipping damage on a body panel and my gas gauge has never worked (and I have never missed it). I wasn't speaking about you (or anyone) in particular, just the countless threads where people run down Chinese Scooters. They buy the cheapest on the market and act like it should have a 36,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty.
Get real!! About the only thing you can ever expect to get covered is the engine if something serious happens to it. And then (and only then) if you haven't done any tuning on it whatsoever. This is why no one will send a motor under warranty until you send them the old one first. I know if I was a seller and someone had a motor they wanted warrantied, if I got the old motor and found it had any modifications (like 4 or 5gram rollers on a new motor) I would send it right back to them and tell them they were out of luck.
If you buy a new car and add any performance modifications your warranty is null and void. I see people on here all the time with a Scooter with barely a thousand miles on it and they're already tearing it apart for a BBK. I'm not saying that they are all going to try to get a warranty engine if they blow it up, just that maybe they should be happy with what they have and just ride for 4 or 5,000 miles before tearing it apart.
I'm just tired of all the Chinese bashing! People need to get over it, I saw the same thing with Japanese products in the early 70's and then after that it was anything made in Taiwan, now it's the Chinese!! Like it or not we could ALL very well end up being paid in Yuan one day. People need to stop bashing Chinese products, just like the Japanese & the Taiwanese their products will get better (and are).
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Post by larry001964 on Feb 5, 2011 22:41:17 GMT -5
True that you make some good points. Mine had some shipping damage on a body panel and my gas gauge has never worked (and I have never missed it). I wasn't speaking about you (or anyone) in particular, just the countless threads where people run down Chinese Scooters. They buy the cheapest on the market and act like it should have a 36,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. Get real!! About the only thing you can ever expect to get covered is the engine if something serious happens to it. And then (and only then) if you haven't done any tuning on it whatsoever. This is why no one will send a motor under warranty until you send them the old one first. I know if I was a seller and someone had a motor they wanted warrantied, if I got the old motor and found it had any modifications (like 4 or 5gram rollers on a new motor) I would send it right back to them and tell them they were out of luck. If you buy a new car and add any performance modifications your warranty is null and void. I see people on here all the time with a Scooter with barely a thousand miles on it and they're already tearing it apart for a BBK. I'm not saying that they are all going to try to get a warranty engine if they blow it up, just that maybe they should be happy with what they have and just ride for 4 or 5,000 miles before tearing it apart. I'm just tired of all the Chinese bashing! People need to get over it, I saw the same thing with Japanese products in the early 70's and then after that it was anything made in Taiwan, now it's the Chinese!! Like it or not we could ALL very well end up being paid in Yuan one day. People need to stop bashing Chinese products, just like the Japanese & the Taiwanese their products will get better (and are). I see your point, about mods, I agree with you, I have seen a lot of Chinese bashing here.. I just mark it down to Chevy vs Ford.. My daughter made up her mind Chevy is the best, I had an uncle that nothing could beat a Ford.. In the End they all had problems of some kind. Personally my doing at that work to mine resulted in something in me also, it's personal.. I do love my little scooter Chinese or not I love it. besides my daughter made the comment to me "What haven't you replaced" LOL go figure. My point is I enjoy working on it. I know every vibration it makes, and truly enjoy driving it. I haven't upgraded yet, not really because of the money or warranty, but because it's become a goal of mine to pull every thing out of that 3 hp I can before I upgrade... It's not Chinese any more it's Larryese.. I think many upgrade so quickly because of the low speeds, they want 60 MPH out of 50 cc's. From a traffic standpoint I can understand that to some degree.. I want a sticker that says, "Your Impatience Is Not Reason For Traffic Stupidly". I honestly believe being able to deal better with traffic that drives many to upgrade quickly. But as you said, and I agree, you modify the engine, the warranty is null and void.. The modification makes the modifier fully responsible. Unless it was the company you bought it from that told you to make the mod.
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Post by ce on Feb 5, 2011 22:43:11 GMT -5
I thought that all the cheap China scoots would break down and be abandoned all over town, easy pickings for a shrewd scooterator.
It never happened. At least I haven't seen a flood of parts hulks for sale anywhere. There's not even a decent Chinascoot boneyard to pick parts from.
They're all still running.
We're going to pick up an Adventure 150 tomorrow for $150, hopefully it'll be running outlaw at 60 miles an hour nect week. We'll see.
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Post by chromestarhustler on Feb 5, 2011 22:53:43 GMT -5
straight outlaw man, get the drill out and shorty that exhaust and move it over to the la vie, get one of those hunks out the garage and mod it to fit the adventure after we cut the pigtail off, bore the hole and install a much larger pigtail, tune the carb and weights. lololo viva la outlaws. but nect wek? duno it kina coal steel.
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Post by erictheviking666 on Feb 5, 2011 23:41:24 GMT -5
I think many upgrade so quickly because of the low speeds, they want 60 MPH out of 50 cc's. From a traffic standpoint I can understand that to some degree.. I want a sticker that says, "Your Impatience Is Not Reason For Traffic Stupidly". I honestly believe being able to deal better with traffic that drives many to upgrade quickly. Very true, I don't agree with the laws that set a 30mph top speed in order to be considered a "moped". I really think that makes things more dangerous because out in traffic that's just to damn slow! Cars are all up on your rear getting very impatient and whipping around you doing stupid things. I really believe that the speed limit should be more around 35-40mph. That way you don't hold up the flow of traffic and you can move along at a better pace. In the real world 99% of people are going over the posted speed limit and lawmakers need think along those lines when making the rules. After all you can't ride on residential streets everywhere you go, you have to be able to get out into traffic safely.
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Post by larry001964 on Feb 5, 2011 23:53:46 GMT -5
I just know from a traffic standpoint I em being pushed hard to upgrade, every time i drive to the north end of town, I em pressured by my lower than the traffic around me speed to upgrade. As that's where the jobs are that's where i must go.
So to be honest, warranty or not the upgrade is coming soon. I realistically can't put it off much longer
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Post by erictheviking666 on Feb 6, 2011 0:35:47 GMT -5
If your already doing 43mph your going exceptionally fast already. I don't know how much you'll gain top end with a BBK, but you will have more quickness off the line, and going uphills or into a headwind will be greatly improved.
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