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Post by indy50 on Dec 18, 2009 14:17:02 GMT -5
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Post by rapidjim on Dec 18, 2009 17:49:20 GMT -5
LOL Indy, share that popcorn will ya???
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Post by ILLGotti on Dec 18, 2009 18:07:01 GMT -5
I spoke up against these Peace scooters not long ago when these two were trying to tell everyone how much better their Peace scoots were than their exact replica's (Roketa, Tank, Lance, SunL) They tryed to tell the forum that these bikes were something better, which I knew was NOT true. It doesn't surprise me about the BBB rating either, especially the false advertisement claims. These guys have been AGGRESSIVELY pushing these scoots. And when you tell me that your Peace 50cc is better than my Roketa 50cc, when I KNOW they are the same exact bike, from the exact same manufacturer, that is a perfect example of the "false advertisment" the BBB report shows.
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Post by Steve1 on Dec 18, 2009 19:39:29 GMT -5
I just find a lot of the conversations suspicious, that's all, and especially with new members. All you have to do is read the first 11 posts in this thread to get the same feeling. First the question of the relationship between Peace and Green Earth was sidestepped and then a customer with a $10 tire problem was put off. Well this is obviously pointed at me. I absolutely understand and 100% agree with this, as a matter of fact please read my posts in the sicilymotors thread. I joined this forum to learn about Chinese scoots before I bought one (refer to my fist few posts if you can dig them up). I originally ordered from sicilymotors with MUCH apprehension. After a few days of no response I cancelled my order. when I saw this thread, I thought, "well at least he got his scoot, I had been trying to get an order confirmation number for days." When I read mathclubs reply which stated "reading that post is a bit upsetting to me, so heres the facts. I honor warranties." i thought to myself, well here is an employee of greenearth, if he is here on the forum defending himself, and (at the time) he has like 200 posts, he must be an active member of scootdog. I figured at least with greenearth I am pretty certain I will at least get my scooter, if they don't follow through on their warranty, I can live with that. I have read so many bad things about warranties on this forum I figured as long as I got my scoot that is a step up from sicilymotors. So I started my posting on this thread, asking my questions to mathclub (you can read the rest of the story on the previous pages). Once I ordered my scoot I have had nothing but awesome service from them. Each time I posted a positive response I even remarked "I do not know if I got special service because TheMathCLub knows I will be posting on this forum, or if they normally treat customers this way, but to be honest, does it really matter? (See reply #13). I really wanted to avoid this thread since the BBB thing got brought up, because I don't want anyone to think I am affiliated with greenearth in anyway since I have been 100% happy with their service since I ordered. All that said, I think they should remove the BBB from their site and trust in positive feedback from their customers like me and piratzbob (see reply #34) In summary: I am not affiliated with GES, I am VERY pleased with their service, and I agree with BigGuy that they should not have BBB on their site, but I also agree with kz, that they should not be getting ripped quite so hard for it.
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Post by kz1000st on Dec 18, 2009 22:30:18 GMT -5
What debacle are you talking about? Znendirect was a venture that failed and was suspended indefinitely. There are no complaints that went unresolved, nor are there any complaints about Flyscooters that go unaddressed by the company. I also noticed how you sidestepped providing any facts regarding complaints about Fly, rather just used innuendo!
What other definition is there for failure but debacle? The website is still there making promises about a glorious 2010 even though it doesn't seem to be happening. You know it's now a joint Fly/Znen venture (if it ever happens) only because you have an inside track to the people in the company. If there was any honor on their part the site would have been pulled instead of hanging there like a Snake Oil ad.
As for no complaints being addressed by the company? What was his name-Chris- on the Redstreak thread. He seemed to have a whole slew of complaints. Also USF Marine was kicked around pretty good until Leon intervened. What happens to owners who don't know the CEO of Flyscooter? Do they get the Royal Treatment like that?
Don't know who GSMW is?? GS Motorworks Rich. Sound familiar. We all had a little discussion last Spring about whose scooter was better. Yours or ours. My opinion hasn't changed one bit on that matter.
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Post by kz1000st on Dec 19, 2009 21:54:56 GMT -5
I spoke up against these Peace scooters not long ago when these two were trying to tell everyone how much better their Peace scoots were than their exact replica's (Roketa, Tank, Lance, SunL) They tryed to tell the forum that these bikes were something better, which I knew was NOT true. It doesn't surprise me about the BBB rating either, especially the false advertisement claims. These guys have been AGGRESSIVELY pushing these scoots. And when you tell me that your Peace 50cc is better than my Roketa 50cc, when I KNOW they are the same exact bike, from the exact same manufacturer, that is a perfect example of the "false advertisment" the BBB report shows. You should get better glasses. Peace scooters are made by Chongqing Astronautical Bashan Motorcycle Company. Roketas are made by numerous other manufacturers, JM Star comes to mind. Bashan builds their own engines in house with quality parts, Roketa probably buys their motors off the back of a truck. I still have the original fuel and vacuum lines on my Bashan scooter. Didn't need to change them. The electrical connections and components are all first class. Even the carburetor was made in Japan. Want to know why I'm up in arms about this?? Because Green Earth, Peace and Bashan are so closely associated. If somebody was attacking Znen, guess who would be using his suave logic and cutting wisdom to defend the marque? People with short memories don't remember the argument from last spring about Bashan vs. Flyscooter. I have a much longer memory.
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Post by cruiser66 on Dec 19, 2009 22:36:35 GMT -5
Got to agree with KZ on this one. Here is the ID plate from my first scoot: It has over 1200 miles on it. I did change the fuel line and filter. Still using the OEM battery from August 2008. Have had no problems so far. It came with a NGK plug and Gates powerlink belt installed. I haven't pulled the head to check the bore and valve dimensions, but the intake and exhaust ports sit at about 20 mm. This is around 2 or 3 mm larger than another stock head I have. This scoot has had no problem from day 1 in going at least 42 mph (gps) with 225 pounds riding it. With a low restriction muffler and an unrestricted CDI, I will usually pull 43 to 44 mph. I wonder if Bashan is doing something else on these engines besides the free flowing head. 66
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Post by jdikov on Dec 20, 2009 12:03:17 GMT -5
That is the same factory that is making our new Motorino mopeds. They make a very good product for us. It is the only 4 stroke overhead cam with functional pedals and 2 speed transmission in the US today.
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Post by tortoise on Dec 20, 2009 13:20:57 GMT -5
That is the same factory that is making our new Motorino mopeds. They make a very good product for us. It is the only 4 stroke overhead cam with functional pedals and 2 speed transmission in the US today. Jerrys Quads appears to offer similar 50cc 4-stroke OHV pedal mopeds. The latest models are sometimes referred to as Lazer Sport 3. The earlier 2007 models had a few issues . . Google search.
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 20, 2009 13:53:49 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe... but we can trust John, who knows about Jerry! -Rich
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Post by als01seville on Dec 20, 2009 16:17:18 GMT -5
Well I know about Jerry and his outfit but I won't get into that mess:) So why is it we can or should trust John over any other dealer? I asked a question about the 2 Speed Transmission that he mentions the mopeds have, whether its a real 2 speed with a low gear and high gear or Clutch controlled. Now I know the answer to that question but am waiting for his response. Alleyoop
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Post by bob on Dec 20, 2009 19:35:01 GMT -5
Well I know about Jerry and his outfit but I won't get into that mess:) So why is it we can or should trust John over any other dealer? I asked a question about the 2 Speed Transmission that he mentions the mopeds have, whether its a real 2 speed with a low gear and high gear or Clutch controlled. Now I know the answer to that question but am waiting for his response. Alleyoop Since John does not have one, I don't know how he can answer any questions about it. Just my humble opinion. Bob
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 20, 2009 23:01:30 GMT -5
Well I know about Jerry and his outfit but I won't get into that mess:) So why is it we can or should trust John over any other dealer? I asked a question about the 2 Speed Transmission that he mentions the mopeds have, whether its a real 2 speed with a low gear and high gear or Clutch controlled. Now I know the answer to that question but am waiting for his response. Alleyoop Well there are a few dawgs here who have had dealings with John that were positive, I don't know of any with Jerry. Keep in mind that folks post up an answer to another post and then may never see it again. I have had many posts where people have PM'ed me asking why I didn't answer in a topic - not everyone follows every post they make, I know I sure don't. -Rich
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Post by als01seville on Dec 20, 2009 23:14:48 GMT -5
Real good Rich, and you of all people should know thats a cop-out. Come on, the guy is posting on this forum to SELL, he would be checking to see if any are in the market for what his pushing. You of all people should know not answering questions raises more questions and make people leary. Some of us are not so naive to believe everything people say. I just happen to know something about the product. I am testing him, I don't like people getting ripped off if I can help it. Alleyoop
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Post by zugzug on Dec 21, 2009 21:56:09 GMT -5
Well Im buying a scooter this week. I just wanted the greenearth guys know that the only reason Im not buying from them is because they are still using the BBB on thier site. It doesnt make sense to me. Why would you put thier logo on your site when they have you rated F? Seems a bit counter-productive.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 21, 2009 22:04:19 GMT -5
Hi zugzug, also always google for LAWSUITS AGAINST whoever you are looking to buy from to see if they have a bad rap and people are trying to after them for scamming them. Alleyoop
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Post by philr54 on Dec 22, 2009 7:45:27 GMT -5
As long as you're doing all this research, try to find out the nature of the complaints. Most of what I found was BS from people who shouldn't have bought a drop-shipped Chinese scooter in the first place and/or didn't read the fine print.
Phil
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Post by Steve1 on Dec 22, 2009 8:10:24 GMT -5
Well Im buying a scooter this week. I just wanted the greenearth guys know that the only reason Im not buying from them is because they are still using the BBB on thier site. That seems a bit petty. The reason I bought from them is because I learned that 2 of the people that work there are active on these forums. I was pretty sure that as long as they knew that I was on these forums too that they would probably take good care to ensure I gave good review here. If I was right about that or not I do not know, but they have really performed excellent for me. I got scoot fast, got some help on the phone while doing my pdi, and when I had a couple parts go bad, I called them up and the parts were in the mail that day or the next.
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Post by kz1000st on Dec 22, 2009 8:43:53 GMT -5
That seems a bit petty.
Leave him alone. Let him find the prettiest, most colorful website he can and let him wait a month or two for his scooter to arrive. I recommend Mxmotorsports, Scooterdepot and Countyimports. Great looking sites with plenty of pretty scooters to choose from. Just be prepared to do a charge back on your credit card.
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Post by rapidjim on Dec 22, 2009 15:58:25 GMT -5
KZ Have a bone!
Jim
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Post by magna99 on Dec 22, 2009 18:29:03 GMT -5
+1 KZ have another bone!
Hey, I'd buy from GES if they had a dealer license in NC!! I think they rate right up there with the best online sellers. Just the presence on these forums by tstubbs and themathclub shows their intent.
Dave
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Post by als01seville on Dec 22, 2009 20:14:51 GMT -5
Kz1000st, You got the right sites, They are pretty especially Countyimports going through their website makes you think they are the greatest thing since slice bread. Does the site say anything about that they are BACK IN BUSINESS because last july they closed and a lot of people did not get their scooters, atvs etc.. and they did NOT get REFUNDS they lost their money. Once you place your order and send them your money pray a lot. As for the warranty kiss that goodby. Reason I know about Countyimports is I ordered my Trikes from them, I had to get my lawyer to get them to send the Trikes or Refund my money. And that was after Sending copies of their webpages and Emails to Illinois and California State Attroneys as well as to BBB of Illinois and California. They all sent me letters saying they had closed and no response. I even called the Police in Clovis and they told me that it was closed and all the products were in the house and yard of the owner Jesse Gonzales. So be warned, HE IS BACK.
MXmotorsports is another problem child, they have changed their names so many times so as not to support any bike they have sold. The owners cannot be found to be brought to court because they also move around. I think Rick still answers the phone, they order from distributors so its just a little office in Florida.
Alleyoop
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Post by zugzug on Dec 22, 2009 21:45:54 GMT -5
I guess now we know who the greenearth buddies are. All your doing is showing your ignorance trying to bash on me. They weren't the only company I checked on. Theres actually quite a few that have a bad rating or no rating. If you weren't so quick to judge you would see that I would buy from them if it wasn't for the fraudulent use of the BBB logo.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 22, 2009 22:02:32 GMT -5
Hi zugzug, I for one do not know about GES, I just responded to kz1000st about the three he recommend as being a bad choice and I argee because I do know about them. As for GES I have not done business with them so I cannot say whether they are good or bad. So far the only thing that has been said is that they have a BBB logo on their site and they do not belong to BBB. Why hasn't someone called them and ask them why the BBB logo when they are not registered with the BBB and see what their answer is. Alleyoop
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Post by zugzug on Dec 22, 2009 23:58:04 GMT -5
I have been working and riding motorcycles for 30+ yrs and I buy a lot of stuff off the internet so I consider myself a decent judge of who I should buy from and who I should avoid. The first thing I notice is how truthful they are on their website, then I check complaints/type, and then thier response to a email I send them. If they dont pass all 3 then I dont buy from them. If a seller is slow/no response to email from a potential customer then you can bet you wont hear from them when you have a problem.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 23, 2009 0:38:14 GMT -5
Sending them an email is a good way to find out how responsive they are. And your right if they are slow at responding to your emails you can bet thats the way it will be if you buy and report a problem. Last week I sent an email inquireing about 12" Rims and Tires and to this day no response. Guess they don't need my business. Alleyoop
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Post by kz1000st on Dec 23, 2009 8:16:00 GMT -5
Sending them an email is a good way to find out how responsive they are. And your right if they are slow at responding to your emails you can bet thats the way it will be if you buy and report a problem. Last week I sent an email inquireing about 12" Rims and Tires and to this day no response. Guess they don't need my business. Alleyoop I know this will make me look like I'm a shill but I could care less about their bottom line. I'm just into common sense. You know that The Math Club is their parts and service guy. Did you send him a PM? I do all the time and he gets back to me in less than 12 hours. It's like we always say "The phone is your friend", call them. I wouldn't e-mail anybody these days. Too much backlog, too many connection problems. I tried doing it with Partsforscooters and they never contacted me. I still buy parts from them. You want to know about 12" wheels? PM The Math Club or call 1-888-400-3253 (GS motorworks) and ask to talk to John in parts. And I'm not bashing on anybody. I've been working on motorcycles for 50 years and I'm a damn good judge of quality. The Bashans Green Earth is selling are good stuff, I own one, and the price is a bargain. A year ago you would have had to pay $1300 for that $769 model from GS Motorworks. So far everybody's gotten parts and service from Green Earth and it annoys me no end that this BBB thing is supposed to be the equivalent of Watergate dragged to slam them. I said it before and I'll say it again. Green Earth is associated with Peace Industries in different States, associated with Bashan America, associated with who knows who? The fact that one office in Texas doesn't have a BBB affiliation doesn't mean beans to me. You should worry that parts, warranty and tech advice are there. Oh-and that it won't take 90 days or more for your scooter to arrive and that you get the scooter that you ordered. Some people should worry about their own business and stop trying to smear the good name of others.
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Post by JR on Dec 23, 2009 8:24:34 GMT -5
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Post by kz1000st on Dec 23, 2009 8:44:21 GMT -5
Well said JR. But online sellers are a strange beast and have to be taken on a "What have you done for me lately" manner. The corporate structure with them is so tangled it's ridiculous. I swear it's all about taxes and off shore holding companies and EPA demands and traceability...blah, blah, blah. Are they going to explain to everyone how the puzzle fits and who's holding the reins? No. As I recall somebody showed that Flyscooters was incorporated under some holding company that nothing to do with Daniel and Leon. Didn't hear any explanations about that. So if Green Earth is under the control of someone with a BBB rating and Yahoo approval and they said put it on the site, who's going to argue with them? Not Stubbs or The Math Club-they need the paycheck. Same as you and me.
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Post by JR on Dec 23, 2009 12:55:01 GMT -5
I'm not going to disagree with any of that KZ but IMO Stubbs and Mathclub which I do believe are trying their very best to treat people right as it's just good business need to at least look to see if that's the case as you stated and then just what I call clear the air! Not only does that show good faith but also is just good business! Good business is what will always assure one of the paycheck too!
One of the things that I think you would agree on is folks on this forum try to help and look out for people and let them know if they think there might be a problem with anyone and for sure tell about the good things dealers do and of course the bad things! Also in saying that sometimes no matter how hard one tries even to do the right thing there are some folks ya just can't please! But the main thing is trying!
I myself want to see on line dealers and B&M dealers succeed and help folks get a good scooter and feel good about the people they do business with!! I really hate to see folks done wrong and I for sure spread the word when people have been done right! JRR
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