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Post by kz1000st on Jun 1, 2009 21:52:11 GMT -5
Besides it's not your fault Charles. It's those darn guys at GSMW delivering scooters faster than you could imagine. You ordered on 5/21 and they delivered two scooters on 5/27- 6 days! The nerve of some people. You were looking for tracking confirmation and they snuck those scoots into Chicago right under your nose. The least they could have done was taken a month or two like ATV Discounters. And you know what will be worse? If you do have any damage on your scoots, after you file a claim against the trucking company, John will probably have the parts you need and get them to you in no time. Is that disgusting or what? Yes, you'll be so sorry you bought scooters from GSMW.-LOL
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Post by dishe on Jun 2, 2009 12:00:57 GMT -5
Did you get it today?
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Post by erictheviking666 on Jun 2, 2009 14:05:26 GMT -5
I would like too chime in here and say I am a happy ATVD customer. Not everyone has been screwed by ATVD. I ordered the cheapest Scooter on the internet at that time (October 2008) $588 for a 50cc plus $99 shipping. I did a thorough PDI and have been riding everyday since then, and now have 3,588 miles on it and have had no major issues. Granted I've had some wiring problems with the headlight and typical wear items like the belt, but no major problems. I even still have the original fuel filter and hoses, so they are obviously coming with better quality hoses and filters. GSMW does appear to now be a reputable dealer, but when I was researching my purchase I found nothing but negative marks against them. It seems they have reacted to negative feedback and made themselves better for it. ATVD has also made some changes due to negative feedback. They now crate up all their Scoots in a wooden crate to protect them from shipping damage, which was one of their biggest complaints at the time. Now you are trying to purchase a Scooter at the busiest time of year so your probably going to have too wait no matter what. Just thought I'd let you know that ATVD is not "satan" and there are people who have good experiences out there too.
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Post by dishe on Jun 2, 2009 15:31:58 GMT -5
holy cow, Kliff- did u wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or something? Whats with the attitude? I happen to work with a web development team, and fixing up/maintaining sites is part of what I do for a living. The site right now is pretty dismal, so I figured I would offer to help out.
What on earth is wrong with that?
::scratches head::
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Post by dishe on Jun 2, 2009 18:11:16 GMT -5
I asked Kliff what got him all worked up in a PM, and this is what I got.
This was the last PM Kliff sent me before deciding to put me on block and refuse future PMs. Real mature.
Anyone else befuddled by his reaction?
Now, I hope GSMW is really as great a company as he says it is. But for anyone who's considering Kliff's "unbiased opinion", all I gotta say is I'm SHOCKED.
I particularly like the bit about tag teaming to push customers. kz1000st, please tell me you're not with him on this.
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Post by bigbottom on Jun 2, 2009 18:24:40 GMT -5
Perhaps GSMW pays referral fees based on the price that the scooter sold. It would be hard to figure a referral fee on a barter transaction.
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Post by bigbottom on Jun 2, 2009 18:33:34 GMT -5
Perhaps GSMW pays referral fees based on the price that the scooter sold. It would be hard to figure a referral fee on a barter transaction. Hardly bigbutt... I do it because I want too. Not everyone is driven by profits, and personal gain. Some of us support Teams, companies, Countries, Brands, or even individuals, because we like where they stand, what they do, what they produce, or how they back their product. Such a shame, the narrow minded always try to attach a price tag to loyalty.... but there will always be those that do. If you support the brand, then you wouldn't care if dishe got his Eagle by paying cash or bartering. All that would matter is that he's on an Eagle.
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Post by bigbottom on Jun 2, 2009 18:44:08 GMT -5
If you support the brand, then you wouldn't care if dishe got his Eagle by paying cash or bartering. All that would matter is that he's on an Eagle. Still about dollars and cents... you ain't got a clue. If dishe had successfully bartered himself a brand new scooter, I would have applauded... as would pretty much every other poster on this site. Not sure why his barter attempt offended you. But like I said in a previous post in this thread, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....
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Post by dishe on Jun 2, 2009 18:57:07 GMT -5
Do you really think anyone on here, can explain me, what makes me tick, or what I'm thinking, from one minute, to the next? I doubt it. I beleive I would be the only one capable of such an explanation, if I deemed one necessary. I don't. True, yet you assume to understand and judge my motives- trying to be "cheap" and/or fickle. If the brand and company are as good as they say, why would you be against me helping their image? I *CAN* help them, its what I do for a living, with RadialWeb (radialweb.com, ourwebportfolio.com). And I'm not some shabby "web guy" that wants to get hooked up- I do professional real jobs and stand behind my work along with my team here (who would have been involved as well). But you're right. I got better things to do than convince them to work for almost nothing to help these guys who are admittedly (by them) having trouble with their site maintenance. I will not lower myself to argue with you or whatever marital problems you are having. I'm not bitter, just shocked. Can we still be friends? :/
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Post by avtech on Jun 2, 2009 21:56:05 GMT -5
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Post by dishe on Jun 2, 2009 22:49:57 GMT -5
avtech, congrats!
Lookin good... let us know how they fare!
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Post by kz1000st on Jun 3, 2009 5:51:07 GMT -5
Now that is one pretty looking scooter. I hope you have years of quality motoring on it. By the way, when you look on the plate under the seat, who was the manufacturer?
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Post by phaze on Jun 3, 2009 6:46:19 GMT -5
dish when i bought mine there was no input from any one so i said screw it and bought one and turned around and bought 4 more ll rocketas. it's a leap of faith imo.
in your case your talking 700 bucks or so pay with a cc and protect yourself and hope for the best. thats all you can do and if you get a lemon, sell it and start over imo.
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Post by dishe on Jun 3, 2009 10:07:55 GMT -5
dish when i bought mine there was no input from any one so i said screw it and bought one and turned around and bought 4 more ll rocketas. it's a leap of faith imo. in your case your talking 700 bucks or so pay with a cc and protect yourself and hope for the best. thats all you can do and if you get a lemon, sell it and start over imo. It happens to be I already bought a Yellow GS-Tracer 150 yesterday before Kliff and I took the thread off topic. We were too busy flinging poo to mention it.
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Post by scooter3oy on Jun 3, 2009 10:19:30 GMT -5
lol....not to ruffle any feathers, but Kliff is acting EXACTLY like another SD (ex)member we had not that long ago
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Post by xs650 on Jun 3, 2009 10:25:27 GMT -5
Now that is one pretty looking scooter. I hope you have years of quality motoring on it. By the way, when you look on the plate under the seat, who was the manufacturer? It looks exactly like my Lance Milan by Znen except it has less chrome. Since I have taken some of the chrome off my Milan, he has a head start.
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Post by avtech on Jun 3, 2009 17:40:23 GMT -5
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Post by kz1000st on Jun 3, 2009 18:16:57 GMT -5
I didn't look at the second picture but the first one was a Znen. Darn Charles. An Eagle for half the price of Flyscooter La Vie from the same manufacturer and the same type. Not bad. You definitely will have years of quality motoring in front of you. I'm sure the guys from GSM ordered it with good stuff so enjoy.
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Post by scootin4lyfe on Jun 3, 2009 20:42:03 GMT -5
In my opinion, chinese bikes get too much negative feedback because of the poor quality they had years ago. However........alot of that has changed after about 2007 when they started putting the better spark plug and fuel lines, etc, on the bikes. Sure Eagle may be Japanese? made, but anymore the difference isnt too terribly noticable, after all, both use the gy6 if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by kz1000st on Jun 3, 2009 21:21:13 GMT -5
Eagles aren't quite Japanese made but they're better than they're given credit for. Last year when I was new I didn't understand what all this talk was about junky Chinese scooters. Mine was really put together well and worked quite nicely. Then I joined this forum and came to understand that I had something quite unique. Even my warranty service was unique. There are long time members here that said warranties from online sellers were useless, yet GSM sent me a new exhaust system under warranty and answered all my inquiries. Finding out now that they use Znen products on their upper range scooters shows their commitment to quality and their consciousness of their image.
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Post by scootin4lyfe on Jun 3, 2009 21:30:47 GMT -5
Eagles aren't quite Japanese made but they're better than they're given credit for. Last year when I was new I didn't understand what all this talk was about junky Chinese scooters. Mine was really put together well and worked quite nicely. Then I joined this forum and came to understand that I had something quite unique. Even my warranty service was unique. There are long time members here that said warranties from online sellers were useless, yet GSM sent me a new exhaust system under warranty and answered all my inquiries. Finding out now that they use Znen products on their upper range scooters shows their commitment to quality and their consciousness of their image. I tend to agree with you there, and one thing in my mind sticks out a bit to prove that, and that is craigs list. You see used Eagles sell for about 200$ more on there then the Roketas, etc.
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Post by dishe on Jun 4, 2009 1:19:21 GMT -5
lol....not to ruffle any feathers, but Kliff is acting EXACTLY like another SD (ex)member we had not that long ago Thank you....thank you very muuuccccchhhhh... LMAO! ;D, but if you're referring to kaos, I'm not a theif and liar.... Bad attitude, hard to get along with, and argumenative....guilty on all counts.... uhhhh, your point is? I think the point he's getting at is that this sort of squabbling doesn't score you any points around here. If you're here to share an opinion (as many of us inevitably are), you might want to play nice so people will continue to listen to, respect, and actually give a damn as to what you have to say. So... quit being sour to me, take the childish ban off my name, and lets be adults. I acknowledge and respect that you are far more knowledgeable about mechanics than I am, and the fact that you have the same model scoot I ordered means that I'll probably value your opinion more than others around here. I got no fight with you.
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Post by avtech on Jun 4, 2009 5:22:16 GMT -5
I didn't look at the second picture but the first one was a Znen. Darn Charles. An Eagle for half the price of Flyscooter La Vie from the same manufacturer and the same type. Not bad. You definitely will have years of quality motoring in front of you. I'm sure the guys from GSM ordered it with good stuff so enjoy. Being as new as I am to all of this, I don't fully understand what you mean. It sounds like a good thing has happened for me but I'm not aware of what I should have been expecting to find on the data plate. I take it that ZNEN puts out a decent product? And this is compared to whom? I mean who is their competitor? I guess I thought a Chinese scooter was a Chinese scooter and they were pretty much the same. Just trying to learn the ropes. I have started gathering items for my PDI. I intend to follow "Big Guy's" PDI instructions to the letter. Is there anything else I should add to my list.
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Post by scooter3oy on Jun 4, 2009 9:55:28 GMT -5
lol....not to ruffle any feathers, but Kliff is acting EXACTLY like another SD (ex)member we had not that long ago Thank you....thank you very muuuccccchhhhh... LMAO! ;D, but if you're referring to kaos, I'm not a theif and liar.... Bad attitude, hard to get along with, and argumenative....guilty on all counts.... uhhhh, your point is? LOL...no, i was not referring to Kaos....i was referring to some other grumpy ol' coot ;D
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Post by avtech on Jun 4, 2009 10:10:54 GMT -5
After getting it out of the crate, I began by putting on the front wheel. When I got it the way I thought it should be, there were two black washers left over. They have a small curved edge/shoulder on their outside diameter. I can't see where they might fit in the install. There aren't any drawings of exactly how it goes together or the exact parts to be used. Does anyone know what I'm talking about. I can take pictures later tonight in need be.
Thanks, Charles
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Post by xs650 on Jun 4, 2009 10:32:04 GMT -5
Charles, put a ruler or tape measure in the picture so we can tell how big they are. Also the best measurement of the hole diameter you can do with what you have handy.
Does the wheel turn freely with everything tightened?
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Post by kz1000st on Jun 4, 2009 13:16:58 GMT -5
"I take it that ZNEN puts out a decent product?"
Znen makes many of the China scoots sold through B & Ms. Flyscooter, TNG, now Redstreak and a couple of others I can't think of. The factory is known for quality product and inspection techniques. To score one for the price you did is a real coup. GSM is known to order their scoots with quality components so I'm sure it's well constructed. You'll just have to check for some loose nuts and bolts and wires to be sure. The same as dealer would if he was selling something from the Znen factory.
BTW are you guys accusing kliff of being like Dean or Jake? This guessing game is killing me.
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Post by xs650 on Jun 4, 2009 13:33:56 GMT -5
"I take it that ZNEN puts out a decent product?"Znen makes many of the China scoots sold through B & Ms. Flyscooter, TNG, now Redstreak and a couple of others I can't think of. The factory is known for quality product and inspection techniques. To score one for the price you did is a real coup. GSM is known to order their scoots with quality components so I'm sure it's well constructed. BTW are you guys accusing kliff of being like Dean or Jake? This guessing game is killing me. You can add Lance and BMS to that list. Kliff has being a cranky old man in common with Jake. ;D No other similarities though I think you misspelled "should" as would ;D
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Post by scooter3oy on Jun 4, 2009 14:16:59 GMT -5
..BTW are you guys accusing kliff of being like Dean or Jake? This guessing game is killing me. not Dean just the crankiness and "supporting" of a particular dealer struck me as deja vu....just my observation, so 'nuff about this
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Post by bigbottom on Jun 4, 2009 16:57:07 GMT -5
ZNEN offers five different levels of quality in their scooters. The level of quality in a ZNEN scooters is determined by the level that the brand name orders from ZNEN. Flyscooters buys one of the higher levels that ZNEN offers. But just because another brand of scooter sources their scooters from ZNEN does not mean that the brand is the same level of quality as Flyscooters. If the scooter is sold cheaper it's safe to assume the brand orders a lower level of quality from ZNEN.
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