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Post by 1eugene445 on Nov 22, 2008 11:47:47 GMT -5
Is it possible to push start a Chinese 150 scooter with the CVT transmission? If so, how fast would it have to go to make the clutch engage and turn the engine over.
I ask because recently my scooter battery went dead, and I realized the kick starter had fallen off the engine, so I had no options that I knew of.
Gene in NC
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Post by harrywr2 on Nov 22, 2008 11:52:06 GMT -5
The engine needs to be turning roughly 2,000 RPM to engage the clutch. Doesn't matter how fast the wheel is turning.
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Post by wf1761 on Nov 22, 2008 13:46:59 GMT -5
It won't happen pushing the scoot.
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Post by 1eugene445 on Nov 22, 2008 22:07:05 GMT -5
Thanks guys, for the help. The moral of the story is, don't let the kick start lever fall off.
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Post by pedez2000 on Nov 23, 2008 3:07:18 GMT -5
a new lever is pretty cheap.
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Post by thedannymullen on Nov 24, 2008 0:52:00 GMT -5
My scoot has started when I was going 30ish and hit the kill switch. I did a test one time ran up to 30 hit the kill waited a few seconds then flipped the kill back. If you are going fast enough to engage the clutch the engine will start.
I see 2 options here:
1. Pair of vise grips appropriately positioned on kick start lever.
2. A really big hill
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Post by abscooters on Nov 24, 2008 8:54:19 GMT -5
Charge the battery & replace the kickstart lever. Don't use visegrips, or you may damage the spline that holds the kickstart.
It is possible to jumpstart it off of a non-running car. I would only do this in an emergency, as I have seen several batteries fried from repeatedly doing this.
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Post by harrywr2 on Nov 24, 2008 9:24:09 GMT -5
My scoot has started when I was going 30ish and hit the kill switch. I did a test one time ran up to 30 hit the kill waited a few seconds then flipped the kill back. If your clutch is already engaged then it will stay engaged if the wheel is turning fast enough. |
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Post by gy6rocket on Nov 24, 2008 13:09:25 GMT -5
</start memory>
Lol, I remember doing this back when I was a teenager trying to get a buddies junked out 50cc to start. The only way I know of is to remove the CVT cover and lock the clutch mechanically somehow. We did it with a bolt, and dragged it behind a car to really get the engine spinning, and it actually started.
Bad part is this makes the scoot "direct-drive" so if you stop it will stall the engine.
Anyway after getting it running for awhile we removed the bolt and all was good.
</end memory>
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Post by revgeorge on Nov 24, 2008 19:11:06 GMT -5
Given the difficulty encountered changing the belt due to having to immobilize the variator, I imagine attaching a drill driven socket of the appropriate size and running it clockwise would start the bastard up.
put it on the centerstand, remove the cover and give it a try... just sdont forget to put the "kill switch" in the "ON" position, and have some one hold the brake...
-+G
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Post by TERRA NUVO on Aug 4, 2011 0:03:21 GMT -5
Gene in NC
IF YOU DON'T KEEP BETTER UP WITH THAT BIKE MORE THEN A KICK START MIGHT FALL OFF.
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Post by D-cat on Aug 4, 2011 9:11:56 GMT -5
Given the difficulty encountered changing the belt due to having to immobilize the variator, I imagine attaching a drill driven socket of the appropriate size and running it clockwise would start the bastard up. put it on the centerstand, remove the cover and give it a try... just sdont forget to put the "kill switch" in the "ON" position, and have some one hold the brake... -+G I even managed to do it with a hand ratchet once. |
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Post by dyoung1167 on Aug 6, 2011 11:26:51 GMT -5
My scoot has started when I was going 30ish and hit the kill switch. I did a test one time ran up to 30 hit the kill waited a few seconds then flipped the kill back. If you are going fast enough to engage the clutch the engine will start. I see 2 options here: 1. Pair of vise grips appropriately positioned on kick start lever. 2. A really big hill the engine had already engaged the clutch, the reason it worked. if the engine is not turning the clutch will not engage, ever, no matter how big the hill. hell, you could pull it with a Ferrari and it won't work. |
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Post by qwertydude on Oct 10, 2011 16:09:46 GMT -5
Also don't try this stunt, I nearly skidded out doing this. At the top of a hill, with the engine idling, I rolled down and see how fast I can coast. The reason is if you're going at speed and the engine is idling and you give it gas the clutch will engage and you'll instantly be engine breaking and it can lock up you rear tire.
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Post by DanK on Oct 11, 2011 11:26:53 GMT -5
Is that possible? Can anyone else confirm?
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Post by dyoung1167 on Oct 11, 2011 18:09:05 GMT -5
yep, when the engine and cvt engage the clutch it starts in the lower gear ratio before coming up to speed. think of it like first gear when it needs to be third. it will lock up the tire depending on speed and surface.
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Post by mechaniczman on Oct 11, 2011 19:40:43 GMT -5
^^^^^^^
this happens even when im rolling down my driveway, its just like dyoung explained.
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Post by josh150 on Oct 11, 2011 21:09:06 GMT -5
Charge the battery & replace the kickstart lever. Don't use visegrips, or you may damage the spline that holds the kickstart ...couldn't agree more. I messed up the splined shaft on a Zuma about ten years ago by repeatedly using visegrips. What can I say? I was a stupid twenty-one year old. |
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Post by ♣Luke♣ on Oct 11, 2011 21:23:38 GMT -5
you can buy the kickstart lever for $14 @ any chinese scoot online parts dealer...and use locktite on the locknut to prevent it from falling off again.
if you have stripped the splines, welding a straight piece of bar to it is the only ghetto solution....otherwise you need to buy both parts.
and nope,you cannot push start the scooty...
hey josh,,if you were stupid 20 years ago. what do you call yourself now??...LOL,LOL,,honestly i haaaave no idea..lol ;D
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Post by chaz12 on Oct 11, 2011 21:23:48 GMT -5
Ya, it was possible on the old Cushman scooters, but they had a hand clutch and a left foot shifter. The Chinese scooters are all automatic and a centrifical clutch built into the tranny.. So there is no way to push start a chinese scooter..
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Post by skuttadawg on Oct 12, 2011 0:13:56 GMT -5
How about using a drill motor
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Post by sprocket on Oct 12, 2011 16:42:21 GMT -5
Saw a guy the other day with a pull start pulley from a lawn mower on the fan side... simple... just a slotted hub and a length of cord and a wooden hangle... worked like a charm...looked like he extended the crankshaft
Anything is possible
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Post by jayme on Oct 14, 2011 1:54:30 GMT -5
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Post by qwertydude on Oct 14, 2011 2:48:17 GMT -5
Wrong kind of scooter. We're talking street legal scooters here with gasoline powered engines not razor scooters and the like. Unusual first post with a link smells like spam to me.
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