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Post by Jacine on Jul 23, 2008 12:55:13 GMT -5
I have been getting a lot of questions recently on the V3 and V5 so I thought I would post this information. These are full size motorcycles with CVT automatic transmissions. The V3 is nearly 400 lbs and the V5 is around 375 pounds. The V3 is designed as a sport bike and the V5 is designed as a cruiser, both use the same frame, and engine, but the seating on the V5 is more cruiser like. The V5 is somewhat slower, probably due to the shape and the fairings. It does 55 and tops out around 60-65, although some have had it up to 70 if the speedo is correct. The V3 does 65 and tops out at 72. Again riding conditions will vary. The wheels are 18" front and 15" back, full size large wheels, rake is 24, sport bike handling. Built in amenities such as mp3 player and radio - people like or dislike. Seating height is 27 unloaded in the V3 and 26.x in the V5. V5 is slightly lower in seating. These bikes will easily accommodate 6'.5" people as well as those who are inseamed limited. The 250 scooter version is the CF Moto fashion/ Qlink Commuter. Scooter style, smaller wheels. Almost identical to Helix. V3 Sport bike (Sapero) Colors black, red, blue, and silver. V5 Cruiser bike (Legacy) Colors Silver, black, red. CFmoto 250 Fashion /Qlink Commuter Colors Burgundy red, yellow and white.
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Post by malport on Jul 23, 2008 19:58:11 GMT -5
Jacine...front AND rear ABS or front only? Also, V3 more storage space then V5? How about dealer network, or is this primarily an internet purchase?
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Post by scooterollie on Jul 23, 2008 20:03:35 GMT -5
I have personally examined both the V3 and V5 and find them both to be impressive machines with good looks (better in person) and top quality fit-n-finish! When a 25 yr. old male (son) who just bought a Suzuki DR-Z400 SM Supermoto thinks a black V3 is a really sharp bike, it must be good looking! (LOL)
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Post by cugir321 on Jul 23, 2008 20:32:46 GMT -5
How does the qlink legend differ from the v5 v3? It looks like a rebel engine copy on the legend. Is it a true copy? The manual reads 233cc. I'm guessing that cfmoto doesn't make the engine. I've been looking for feedback on the engine/bike....not much out there.
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Post by Jacine on Jul 23, 2008 20:52:37 GMT -5
Jacine...front AND rear ABS or front only? Also, V3 more storage space then V5? How about dealer network, or is this primarily an internet purchase? Front and rear good disk brakes, no abs. Chinese don't make an integrated abs system, they attach a traction control device to the brake line at the brake. These can be purchased on line separately for 79.00, smaller and American made. Apparently it is also insurance approved. If you have a Qlink dealer, they are expanding, then pretty decent network. Otherwise buy on line, do PDI and use Helix parts for the internals. V3 does have a front style very small radio (glove box) and very tiny storage under the passenger rear pillon. V5 has only some small space under the passenger pillon but does come with a luggage rack so you can add a trunk. There are several sharp looking sport type semi hard saddle bags that really look good on the bikes.
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Post by Jacine on Jul 23, 2008 21:00:57 GMT -5
How does the qlink legend differ from the v5 v3? It looks like a rebel engine copy on the legend. Is it a true copy? The manual reads 233cc. I'm guessing that cfmoto doesn't make the engine. I've been looking for feedback on the engine/bike....not much out there. People are confusing the legend with the legacy. The legend is a 5 speed manual, parallel twin 18 hp, air cooled and rear drum brakes. It is actually lighter than the legacy and overall smaller than the legacy. The legend is made by and imported and sold by qlink. The legacy is a cvt automatic, front and rear disk, water cooled single "thumper" 18hp. The V5 and V3 are cfmotos and just rebadged to qlink.
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Post by Jacine on Jul 23, 2008 21:07:49 GMT -5
V3 in black V5 in black
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Post by malport on Jul 23, 2008 21:20:21 GMT -5
Probably a silly question, but it would add to the "cool" factor: How does the V3 "sound"? Deeper throated than a typical Moto engined 250 scoot, or same? I mean, if you're gonna look that good, you gotta sound good too, right?
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Post by okie34 on Jul 25, 2008 10:11:20 GMT -5
I got to ride a Legacy yesterday (My Scoot was in the shop having the rear tire replaced). It's certainly an interesting ride. It is indeed a MC type ride. I can't say I particularly like where the foot rests are placed, but can be changed with the addition of highway pegs. It's a deeper sound that the Fashion 250, but right about the same performance. A bit more stable with the larger MC tires. A bit slow on the low end but once it hits 30-35 mph it comes right up. I didn't go any faster than 45-50 mph. Handle bars are higher than the typical scooter.
All in all, not a bad bike.
JD
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Post by gymbeau on Jul 25, 2008 10:19:38 GMT -5
What is the 'top out' speed on the commuter/fashion?
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Post by Jacine on Jul 25, 2008 11:39:22 GMT -5
Probably a silly question, but it would add to the "cool" factor: How does the V3 "sound"? Deeper throated than a typical Moto engined 250 scoot, or same? I mean, if you're gonna look that good, you gotta sound good too, right? Sounds like any kawi or suzuki sport. You can drill the exhaust for a deeper sound and not have to upjet. However there is an 80 db law in most states.
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Post by Jacine on Jul 25, 2008 11:40:55 GMT -5
What is the 'top out' speed on the commuter/fashion? With the "block scooter" design around 55 - 60, tops out near 65 with superior tune and once the motor is broken in.
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Post by okie34 on Jul 25, 2008 15:43:22 GMT -5
With our Fashion 250, it tops out around 67 mph. Will do 65 for periods, but seems that 60 to 62 is the sweet spot. I have had to 72, but that was downhill with a good tail wind.
JD
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Post by HPS MotorSports LLC on Jul 25, 2008 22:21:26 GMT -5
MRP is coming out with ALOT of accessories and upgrades for the Legacy (V5) and the Sapero (V3). Great sounding exhaust, clutches, weights, high output coil and CDI, Larger carb, and a big bore kit. Some are pricey but I have right now at least 5 customers who want some upgrades. I will be putting together some packages for them on my site soon so stay tuned. I know of a dealer who put all but the big bore kit on and was doing 85mph.
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Post by ennreact on Jul 26, 2008 0:36:35 GMT -5
Jacine...front AND rear ABS or front only? Also, V3 more storage space then V5? How about dealer network, or is this primarily an internet purchase? Front and rear good disk brakes, no abs. Chinese don't make an integrated abs system, they attach a traction control device to the brake line at the brake. These can be purchased on line separately for 79.00, smaller and American made. Apparently it is also insurance approved. If you have a Qlink dealer, they are expanding, then pretty decent network. Otherwise buy on line, do PDI and use Helix parts for the internals. V3 does have a front style very small radio (glove box) and very tiny storage under the passenger rear pillon. V5 has only some small space under the passenger pillon but does come with a luggage rack so you can add a trunk. There are several sharp looking sport type semi hard saddle bags that really look good on the bikes.are you able to provide any specifics?
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Post by mvanco on Aug 11, 2008 21:01:00 GMT -5
I am looking into purchasing either the V3 or V5 and I am wondering... How do they handle hills? I just got a huge flash of disappointment when I tried to take my MC 54 150 to a place I will be regularly going the rest of my life. It is a 55 MPH 2 lane about 8 miles one way with 8 very large hills. Going down I could go 64, going up I was lucky to be going 45 so I think I should upgrade while I can get a good price for my 150. I really like the style and feel of a motorcycle but I HATE shifting!! I can't tell you how many times I stalled out my bike during my training course! It was embarrassing!
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Post by satellitehead on Aug 11, 2008 23:47:48 GMT -5
I am sorry to say but the CFmoto 250 Fashion /Qlink Commuter are dang ugly reminds me of something from the 80's half snowmobile and half old school honda scooter its bringing back bad memories.
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Post by sandman on Aug 12, 2008 0:39:49 GMT -5
Im glad someone else said it... that is one fuuuuugly Fashion that should have never made it off the runway!
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Post by photoman2k on Aug 12, 2008 3:08:13 GMT -5
Fuuuuuugly Fashion.....That was great! I laughed so hard I dang near tipped over the outhouse!!!
Steve
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Post by scooterollie on Aug 12, 2008 7:08:12 GMT -5
Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Don't put down someone else's choice because you don't like the way it looks.
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Post by Cookees on Aug 12, 2008 11:28:32 GMT -5
satellitehead ...
ditto what Scooterollie said.
And BTW.. the Fashion is an IDENTICAL copy of the Honda Helix first manufactured in 1986. Try google-ing the "Fusion",Japans name for the Helix. Near cult-like fanaticism in the Orient.
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Post by jimmymac on Aug 12, 2008 11:48:26 GMT -5
Wanted to say I just picked up my Fuuuugly commuter last Tuesday and I love it. It cruises at 65 which is what I need in Wyoming. I'd bet my carrying capacity against any of your "sport scooters" any day. I don't need to jump off the line and 75 mpg is great for my bright yellow scoot. Soooo! You scoot your way and I'll scoot mine.
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Post by mvanco on Aug 12, 2008 17:13:06 GMT -5
Anyone have input on the hill question?
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Post by greginhershey on Aug 12, 2008 18:47:42 GMT -5
javascript:add(%22%20;D%22) Wanted to say I just picked up my Fuuuugly commuter last Tuesday and I love it. It cruises at 65 which is what I need in Wyoming. I'd bet my carrying capacity against any of your "sport scooters" any day. I don't need to jump off the line and 75 mpg is great for my bright yellow scoot. javascript:add(%22%20:P%22) Soooo! You scoot your way and I'll scoot mine. A bone for you, jimmymac... I've been on my commuter about a week now and 300 miles later, I couldn't be happier... I've managed to hit 71 on a nice straight stretch but have no need to go that fast normally... most of my riding is done under 55 where I go.. and as for capacity- also agree completely... Between the top trunk and the bike's rear trunk, I had a change of clothes, rain gear, 4 2-liter bottles of coke and a big bottle of rum....... with room to spare...
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Post by satellitehead on Aug 12, 2008 20:03:38 GMT -5
Sorry if i offended any owners of the commuter/fashion beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We all have diffrent tastes. Please understand that was not my intention.
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Post by Jacine on Aug 12, 2008 20:29:05 GMT -5
MRP is coming out with ALOT of accessories and upgrades for the Legacy (V5) and the Sapero (V3). Great sounding exhaust, clutches, weights, high output coil and CDI, Larger carb, and a big bore kit. Some are pricey but I have right now at least 5 customers who want some upgrades. I will be putting together some packages for them on my site soon so stay tuned. I know of a dealer who put all but the big bore kit on and was doing 85mph. If you're talking about Dennis, He got 85, but had to add a propeller hat to it. ;D A reasonable 80 was the limit. When I scrape some money together I will start to modify the V3 and see what it will actually do on a reasonable budget.
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Post by malport on Aug 12, 2008 20:35:11 GMT -5
Jacine, how much money you need?
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Post by ladydi on Aug 12, 2008 21:06:25 GMT -5
I am looking into purchasing either the V3 or V5 and I am wondering... How do they handle hills? I just got a huge flash of disappointment when I tried to take my MC 54 150 to a place I will be regularly going the rest of my life. It is a 55 MPH 2 lane about 8 miles one way with 8 very large hills. Going down I could go 64, going up I was lucky to be going 45 so I think I should upgrade while I can get a good price for my 150. I really like the style and feel of a motorcycle but I HATE shifting!! I can't tell you how many times I stalled out my bike during my training course! It was embarrassing! I just got my Legacy last Wednesday and rode it home (almost 18 miles) 9 of which were all uphill along a real winding road with some BIG hills.... Now, let me tell you that I had never riden this bike before I picked it up at the dealers, so I decided to take the long way home only bc the first 9 miles were fairly flat, two lane roads with traffic lights to 'practice' braking.. When I hit the hills, I could not believe the difference from my 150.. You can't compare them, it's like a VW Bug and a Buick ;D AND THE BEST PART, no shifting..... I just love the automatic motorcycle (as it is called) anyhow, it took the hills very, very well! And that was the first 18 miles on the brand new bike! I love mine.... Hope that helps. (Oh, btw, I am only 5'1" and I can touch the ground, too... ) And I sold the 150 in a day and a half.....
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Post by photoman2k on Aug 13, 2008 3:10:39 GMT -5
I almost bought a Burgundy Commuter from Bandit, but tried out the Kymco Grand Vista at a local dealer with the optional touring seat installed. Bought the GV on the spot. I have a spine problem after busting it up in '99, and found the touring seat on the GV the best fit I've experienced.
Steve
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Post by malport on Aug 13, 2008 18:52:21 GMT -5
Jacine, you were saying in an earlier post and you repeat here that you thought the V5 was actually slower at top speed than the V3...looking at the side shots, I reckon it has to do with the aerodynamics of the bikes. The V5 looks to be more vertical on the front end than the V3, probably creating more wind drag...I dunno, it's hard for me to imagine a 10mph difference though, especially with the V3 being 25lbs heavier. I do like that red V3 though!
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