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Post by rmda on Jul 14, 2008 13:10:52 GMT -5
Help! I'm trying to drain the oil on my Vog 260 clone (260 LG Super Scout) and it won't loosen. It's a 19mm plug and I tried a 12 point socket and breaker bar, but the edges just rounded off. They must have used an impact wrench at the factory set to about 600 lbs to put it on. Does anyone have any suggestion for a technique or special-purpose tool for removing this stubborn bolt?
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Post by jim63 on Jul 14, 2008 13:34:49 GMT -5
If the corners are worn off to the point the socket wont grip well, you will need an adjustable socket (i.e. Gatorgrip) or adjustable wrench. But sound like you beyond this stage due to the siezed bolt. If I got to this point it maybe best to save your sanity, and just bite the bullet. Call around to some repair shops and find out how much to get it off. $20-$30 for 1/2 hour labor, to save a load of aggrivation to me is money well spent. After you get it off order yourself a new bolt.
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Post by earlwb on Jul 14, 2008 14:44:02 GMT -5
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Post by firstscoot on Jul 14, 2008 15:38:59 GMT -5
I though I had the same problem when I first changed my oil. The problem turned out to be me. I was tightening the bolt instead of loosing. ;D
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Post by scooterollie on Jul 14, 2008 15:51:52 GMT -5
Good point "Firstscoot" made. Lost of folks new to this do the same. It is easy, especially upside down. Hint: Hold the ratchet wrench right side up to set it to loosen. Then do the job. The drain plugs are put on with a fair amount of torque - almost like "Loctite" was used. They usually break loose with a crack. sound. Sears or an auto parts store might have individual sizes of the special sockets for removing rounded off bolts/nuts. You can order a replacement of buy one from a Yamaha dealer.
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Post by rmda on Jul 14, 2008 17:21:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips everyone. I ordered the sockets recommended by earlwb. I hope they will do the job.
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Post by yarddogbbq on Jul 14, 2008 20:37:52 GMT -5
looking at bolt, ccw loosens.
yarddog
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jaethos
Big Dawg
Silver XY260 (Same VOG, different name)
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Post by jaethos on Jul 18, 2008 23:25:34 GMT -5
Ugh, I just did the same thing, except I was using a 19mm 6 point socket and it still just peeled all the corners off. I guess I'll have to look for one of those special sockets too.
Anyone know a good place to order a replacement? I'm thinking the corresponding Yamaha part would probably be of better quality.
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Post by dlabrie on Jul 19, 2008 5:52:13 GMT -5
I had the same thing happen on one of my cars. Took it to Walmart oil change and after waiting 2 hours, they told me they couldn't get the plug out either. Went to a auto repair shop. He used some sort of socket that bit into the bolt and got it off.
Could you match the drain plug up with any plug the same size from a parts store?
david
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Post by scooterollie on Jul 19, 2008 7:06:58 GMT -5
No, the drain plug is not a "universal" type. Go to a Yamaha dealer and get one from a Morphous or Majesty. I think even the Vino scoot has the same plug. Or, order one through your dealer.
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Post by wxguru on Jul 19, 2008 7:36:08 GMT -5
I am doing an oil change this morning on the 250B...can't remember if these bolts are righty tighty and lefty loosey, or opposite. I know the chinese do things differently sometimes, and I can't remember from my first oil change which way I turned it.
Now would be a good time to write it down.
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Post by WarrenS on Jul 19, 2008 9:01:12 GMT -5
It is the same, righty tighty, lefty loosey. As strange as it seems it is even the same down under in Australia. ;D
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Post by yarddogbbq on Jul 19, 2008 9:14:46 GMT -5
or cw to tighten ccw to loosen. and dont strong arm it.
yarddog
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Post by ad4par on Jul 19, 2008 11:54:11 GMT -5
A pair of vice grips will pull off just about any stripped bolt!
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Post by glassvial on Jul 19, 2008 16:13:41 GMT -5
A pair of vice grips will pull off just about any stripped bolt! Tell that to the de-headed bolts I'm trying to get out! Not happening with vice grips, I can tell you that. |
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Post by A.B.Normal on Jul 19, 2008 16:23:21 GMT -5
A pair of vice grips will pull off just about any stripped bolt! Tell that to the de-headed bolts I'm trying to get out! Not happening with vice grips, I can tell you that. I have had good luck with vice grips. On difficult items, I have had to tighten them down so hard that it took a large pair of channel loks to close the vice grips, but they usually worked then. Another option is to use a grinding tool to carefully give the head "unrounded" edges in conjunction with a high quality adjustable wrench. |
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Post by Gary on Jul 19, 2008 17:48:05 GMT -5
RMDA-
Harboorfreight is awesome - just be prepared to be inundated with flyers from them ... I think I get one a week now.
Cheers,
Gary
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Post by Highlander on Jul 19, 2008 19:42:30 GMT -5
glassvial
Ok I did it, I broke the oil drain plug. Part of it is still in the threads. I dont think I damaged the threads? It just kindve snapped off. Sooooo please tell me it's not the end of my scoot. It's a linhai 2008 250cc Machoman. WHAT DO i DO NEXT. Do auto parts or motorcycle part stores carry it. Do I hafta get from Scooter Nitro/order and wait? Help!
david
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Post by Highlander on Jul 19, 2008 19:45:34 GMT -5
How do I get the rest of the bolt out and where do I get a replacement for my scoot from china. I ordered the Bike from Scooter Nitro could they fast ship?
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Post by WarrenS on Jul 19, 2008 20:38:55 GMT -5
If you are talking about the filter cover on the bottom a Yamaha Morphous or Majesty will fit. To get the rest out of there you need something that can expand to turn it out.
I like to use a 6 point 1/2" drive socket on those. The 1/2" drive seems sturdier and less likely to cause problems.
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Post by oldkid on Jul 20, 2008 13:38:03 GMT -5
ad4par is correct about the vice grips. Snap them on tight and then tap the handle with a hammer. Then after it loosens, go buy a new plug.
Oldkid
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