judas
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Post by judas on Jul 8, 2008 13:20:06 GMT -5
three months ago i purchased two sc23 sunl 150cc gy6 scooters from atvdiscounter.com my wife uses hers daily to commute to work. she called me a few days ago stranded on the side of the road. the starter just clicks one when you press the start button. i swapped every electrical component on it with parts from my working scooter, and still nothing. just a click. the motor spins freely when turned by hand via the variator bolt, i tried to jump it with cables but it still just sounds like a dead battery. swapped in my fresh battery and same problem. i pulled her starter off and hit it with power and it spins fast. its the only part i havent swapped from my scooter. i dont know what else to try, any ideas?
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Post by anhoa on Jul 8, 2008 13:37:51 GMT -5
Did she hold the rear brake before hit the starter? Make sure the Kill/Engine Run switch is ON position. Also try to kick start the scooter. Can you swap the Starter Relay and try again? This may help even though it's not for scooter but use the same concept. www.carcare.org/Electrical/starter_relay.shtmlwww.softcom.net/users/w6rec/duane/bmw/starter/starter.htm"If the starter *doesn't* work, you either have (1) a bad battery (very common), (2) a problem with the battery cable to the starter, (3) a problem with you battery ground cable (also very common), (4) some kind of loss of continuity from the ground cable to the starter (unlikely), (5) a faulty jumper (also unlikely) or (6) a bad starter. If the starter *does* work when you hotwire it, then your problem is elsewhere in the starter circuit. Then you get to search for the *bad* switch/relay/wire/connection - which is its *own* set of issues." Anhoa
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judas
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Post by judas on Jul 8, 2008 15:59:01 GMT -5
well, i swapped off the working scoot: reg/rect battery soleinoid cdi and still just clicks when i press the starter button. i also tried jumping the soleinoid to no avail. what else am i missing?
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Post by mortar235 on Jul 8, 2008 16:04:48 GMT -5
have you tried kick starting it?
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Post by dhawk on Jul 8, 2008 17:37:36 GMT -5
There are several other threads that deal with this issue. The ground path for the starter is through the engine and then to the frame. It's a crappy ground path. I don't even see how it works to begin with.
A lot of guys have rigged a ground wire from the starter body directly to the frame.
If your scooter battery is still good, try using a jumper cable to jump from the starter body to somewhere on the frame. Make sure you've got a good connection then try to start. If it works, then it's obviously a ground problem
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Post by vonspyder on Jul 8, 2008 18:03:07 GMT -5
agreed, try a different better grounding.
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judas
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Post by judas on Jul 9, 2008 7:34:33 GMT -5
man that sounded promising, but still just a click. anything else i am forgetting?
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Post by dhawk on Jul 9, 2008 9:46:09 GMT -5
Ok, where are they clicks emanating from...starter or solenoid? If it's the solenoid, I would check the voltage and amperage going to the solenoid. You may have a high resistance connection from your starter button (Caused by corrosion or something) that is not getting enough current to the solenoid for it to pull in and energize the starter.
Otherwise, you could swap out the starter from your scoot. I don't think you've done that yet.
Anyway, Good luck. Let us know what you find out.
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Post by judas on Jul 9, 2008 14:19:01 GMT -5
yeah the starter is the only piece i have not yet swapped. the click is coming from the solenoid.
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Post by unknownsoldier on Jul 9, 2008 15:21:06 GMT -5
Could starters could be tested by touching a wire from the battery to the control wire connector on the starter solenoid( be careful when using power)? This would bypass the whole OEM circuitry. If the starter works that way, it's the circuit. If it doesn't turn with power, do the ground wire too, if it doesn't work then, pull it out and test it out of the scooter. If it doesn't work then, take it apart and look inside.
If it spins in the scooter, maybe one could get lucky by having the ignition switch on and the engine would run too! Please correct me if I have stated something wrong.
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Post by dhawk on Jul 9, 2008 15:37:40 GMT -5
Good, it's probably not your starter if the clicking is coming from the solenoid. With the good battery in the scooter, use a screwdriver and jump the two big leads on the solenoid. If the starter turns the engine over, then the primary circuit of the solenoid is bad. You're not getting enough voltage to the solenoid to hold the coil in.
Keep us posted
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Post by judas on Jul 9, 2008 18:33:46 GMT -5
like i said i've swapped solenoids to no avail. i've also tried bypassing the solenoid via a screwdriver. i did try connecting the car battery positive jumper cable to the starter side of the solenoid and touching the negative jumper to the starter body. it did more than click but barely turned, sounded pathetic,just kinda went uurghhh. so bad starter?
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Post by dhawk on Jul 9, 2008 18:38:03 GMT -5
I was just thinking if you had something wrong on the primary circuit for the solenoid, then even with a good solenoid, it's not gonna crank. But if you jumped it out with a screwdriver and the starter won't spin, it sounds like the starter unless something in the engine is locked up.
I assume you can kickstart it. If so, then there's not much you can do except try the starter.
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Post by judas on Jul 9, 2008 18:43:15 GMT -5
forgot to mention that, i can kick till blue in the face no starting. and its not locked up...
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Post by wildbill on Jul 9, 2008 19:04:27 GMT -5
hey, check your solenoid using a screwdriver with a charged battery. these batterys only last from 6 mos to a year anyway. wildbill
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Post by boldastard on Jul 9, 2008 19:26:47 GMT -5
Have you checked your ignition coil? It's a long shot, but a total short could possibly be drawing down enough amps to starve your starter solenoid.
Disconnect the primaries on the ignition coil and then try to crank the starter. Naturally, you won't get any spark, but if it starts to crank, you've probably found your problem.
Good luck,
BA
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Post by judas on Jul 9, 2008 19:33:43 GMT -5
well like i said EVERY electrical component has been swapped except for the starter. just sprayed enough starter fluid into it to blow it up and not even a puff. i am about to throw this thing off a bridge.
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Post by boldastard on Jul 9, 2008 19:46:20 GMT -5
Sorry, didn't see "ignition coil" in the list of individual items you swapped.
Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but if you can't get it going with the kick starter and starting fluid (i.e., cutting the starter and its solenoid out of the equation) it sure sounds like a lack of spark to me. But, if you've already swapped the ignition coil, then that pretty much rules that out as well.
BA
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Post by powerride on Jul 9, 2008 20:48:31 GMT -5
Make sure the ground wire from the battery to the motor is bolted tight at the motor.. my ground bolt at the motor was loose and did what yours is doing..
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Post by abscooters on Jul 10, 2008 0:13:35 GMT -5
You check the connections coming out of the stator, and all the pins of every plug, sometimes a pin backs out of the connector. And I hate to say it, if you only got a click and have swapped all other electrical components, you may need a starter.
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Post by isawhim on Jul 10, 2008 3:34:33 GMT -5
Changed reply... I thought I read that you tried a new starter, and the starter spun fine...
Any-who...
Sounds like the coils fried in the starter... They are grounding out... inside...
Remove the wires from the starter solenoid, going to the starter... The bike should manually start then...
If it does... your starter coils are fried. (Sounds like you tried to start it like a car, and melted it. Scooter starters can only be run for a few seconds, and require triple time to cool, before starting again.)
Remote starters can kill a starter easily... if the bike does not start in 2-3 seconds...
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Post by judas on Jul 10, 2008 8:05:16 GMT -5
checked the ground strap its as tight as can be, removed the starter side of the solenoid and kicked for a while, nothing.
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Post by unknownsoldier on Jul 10, 2008 16:26:58 GMT -5
Can you check the positive signal from the key switch to the CDI?
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Post by judas on Jul 10, 2008 21:17:21 GMT -5
would the key make a difference if i am bypassing it by jumping at the solenoid? key in the on position i have 13.5 volts until the starter is depressed it drops to 8.5v and just clicks.
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Post by abscooters on Jul 11, 2008 7:40:39 GMT -5
Key would make the difference whether it starts or not. But It does sound like your starter is fried.
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